| Jan 17 @ 9:04 AM |
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MusicMonster
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There's a heavy move in place on to overturn Roe v Wade, with all the Republican Candidates it seems. And with some others too.. At this point it seems close to inevitable that the previous ruling may be overturned. It is frequently discussed in the campaigns as though it's what America wants, in no uncertain terms. I'm not so sure that's a completely accurate perspective. Did anyone actually ask America? Or are they just assuming?
I personally am primarily Pro-Choice, with some reasonable guidelines. I don't want to return to the dark-ages of coat-hangers and back-alleys. However I also don't feel abortion should be used as birth-control either.
What say you?
-MM 
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| Jan 17 @ 10:09 AM |
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yashaenka
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My personal opinion about this is Government is infringing in an area they have no right too under the constitution because are involving their selves in religion. not matters of the state. This whole thing came about by a very narrow implied sentence within the constitution by the Supreme Court and yes at some time in the future the court will revisit it and declare the state has no position on this.
Sometime in the future scientists may accept at what time a fetus feels pain and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. At that time abortion can be legally considered a form of murder, then and only then can the state intervene. Then we need to contend with rape and incest resulting in a new born child, that we again be difficult for the court.
There is no reason for abortion being used as a form of birth control IMHO.
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| Jan 17 @ 10:14 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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personally am primarily Pro-Choice, with some reasonable guidelines. I don't want to return to the dark-ages of coat-hangers and back-alleys. However I also don't feel abortion should be used as birth-control either.
That's a pretty fair statement of how I feel about it. And remember, the coat hangers are only for those who can't afford a trip. You could still go to nearly any other country and have an abortion while you're on vacation....reversing R v. W would be great for the travel industry.
Unfortunately there's no way to control whether abortion is used as a form of birth control either, you can't legislate morality.
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| Jan 17 @ 10:22 AM |
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iam7545
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There's a heavy move in place on to overturn Roe v Wade, with all the Republican Candidates it seems. And with some others too.
MM - where is this "heavy move"
Just what are you referring to? I have heard nothing about Roe v Wade in any news. A case would have to be brought to the SCOTUS to overturn this.
Is there a case?
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| Jan 17 @ 10:44 AM |
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MusicMonster
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It is frequently discussed in Republican campaign speeches..
Both Romney and McCain have addressed this in just the last two days. Thompson did as well. With the possible exception of Ron Paul, they are all for overturning Roe v Wade, and bound and determined to do so..
However this is NOT a partisan-based debate.. It is purely issue-based.
-MM 
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| Jan 17 @ 10:50 AM |
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kattsmeow
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personally am primarily Pro-Choice, with some reasonable guidelines. I don't want to return to the dark-ages of coat-hangers and back-alleys. However I also don't feel abortion should be used as birth-control either.
I personally can't imagine having one, but then who am I to judge?
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| Jan 17 @ 10:55 AM |
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iam7545
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MM - The President cannot overturn Roe V Wade. A case would have to be brought to the SCOTUS. The only influence the POTUS would have is with an appointment.
So what did the candidates say? What could they say?
Most say that it is a state issue not a federal issue.
Yet you said this -
There's a heavy move in place on to overturn Roe v Wade, with all the Republican Candidates it seems. And with some others too.. At this point it seems close to inevitable that the previous ruling may be overturned.
How is it inevitable that Roe V Wade will be overturned?
Where is this "heavy move" that you describe coming from?
Just where did this come from?
Furthermore - you made this a partisan issue by your words.
I don't get your point.
Can you show us this "heavy move? Is freakin Hulk Hogan in on this?
Can you point to the case that will overturn Roe V Wade?
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| Jan 17 @ 11:23 AM |
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Say_Yes
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To me, Roe was a horrible decision. The federal government has no authority in the matter, and it should have been left in the hands of each individual state. (You know, the 10th Amendment.) The only say that a president has in the matter, is in the appointment of federal judges. The judges made the law and as such, they are the ones most likely to amend it. Yes, congress could amend the constitution, but they have shown no will to touch the ruling and I believe it unlikely that they will.
All that being said, I believe that abortion should be legal in three circumstances.
1. Rape
2. Incest
3. When the physical health of the mother is threatened.
I find the use abortion as a means of birth control, to be reprehensible. I dated a woman for a while, who had an abortion. She referred to her unborn baby as a 'Parasite". Oddly enough, we proved to be less than an optimal match.
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| Jan 17 @ 11:33 AM |
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iam7545
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There were well over one million abortions in the USA last year
What do you call that?
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| Jan 17 @ 12:01 PM |
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Say_Yes
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There were well over one million abortions in the USA last year
What do you call that?
If I was a bit more cynical, I would call it an assured future for the strength of conservatism in the nation. After all, children tend to take on the political beliefs of their parents. (No, it is not 100%, but the majority do.) So, if liberals continue to kill their children, then there will be fewer of them in the future. Sometimes, I think that it is too bad, that their parents did not decide to do the same thing. Then I regret those thoughts, as they deserve life, just as do their unborn children.
I call the destruction of a million or so children a horror and a travesty. To think that so many have chosen to be so irresponsible as to not avail themselves of birth control and have then chosen to destroy the life of an unborn child, is simply apalling. It saddens me to think that abortion is so common in our nation and that there are so many, who see it as nothing more, than just another form of birth control.
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| Jan 17 @ 12:05 PM |
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yashaenka
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When the physical health of the mother is threatened. Unfortunately that decision is left in the hands of doctors and the policing of Doctor's abuse in this is in the hands of Doctors....
This involves big money and doctors like money just as every one does.
This can only be enforced by a state panel beyond the authority of the Medical Board by certified people which the insurance institutes have plenty of. Any certified RN could uphold or deny with other RN's the need for a abortion.
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| Jan 17 @ 12:06 PM |
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iam7545
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It is sickening - and most liberals think it is a joke. Like throwing away a chicken egg.
Of course the Party Line that all Democrats spew is the same as here.
"I do not like abortions - it should not be used as birth control." If you press them about the number of abortions their tongue falls out of their mouth and they mumble! What a joke.
Imagine all of the health care that could be paid for with the money spent on abortions.
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| Jan 17 @ 12:30 PM |
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jimbo242
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Why is it always up-tight, right-wing men trying to tell women what to do?
You must move on and let people decide for themselves. I know that will be hard but by golly you can do it, Buckeroo!.
It is such a right-wing cop-out to deny the movement...It's all about appointing judges like Thomas that are rubber stamps for the right...
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| Jan 17 @ 12:36 PM |
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iam7545
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Why is it always up-tight, right-wing men trying to tell women what to do?
Hey jimbo - we arent the ones that impregnated 1.5 million woman that lead to abortions.
Funny - you call McCain a Baby killer and then show no remorse for all of these abortions.
Wonderful set of morals you juggle about! Be careful not to drop any. 
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| Jan 17 @ 12:42 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I personally can't imagine having one, but then who am I to judge?
Me neither Katts.. I think I'm probably a bit old to have one at this point.. 
The only say that a president has in the matter, is in the appointment of federal judges. The judges made the law and as such, they are the ones most likely to amend it. Yes, congress could amend the constitution, but they have shown no will to touch the ruling and I believe it unlikely that they will.
Not sure personally. Several however, have been discussing that recently, including McCain, Huckabee and Romney..I believe I heard Giuliani talking about it at one point too. I'll look for some references a bit later.
This was just a query about what people's opinions on such an effort may be, and on the original ruling itself. I've heard it presented though, as if it were very likely it would in fact be changed, assuming that party was elected. What the exact method would be, was never clear. I have yet to hear any of the candidates supporting the pro-choice ruling though. I'm quite sure these current discussions have a lot to do with the dramatic upswing in evangelical influence on politics.
-MM
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| Jan 17 @ 12:59 PM |
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Loreli
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I agree very strongly about the rape, incest and health issues being a factor.
(I think it's horrible to ASSume that it's all liberals having abortions-where's the facts to support that? )
I had my daughter late in life. They asked if I wanted an amnio and said there was a slight risk to the fetus. I said no, then. They said at my later age, I could have a Downs child. I didn't care-I have enough love in me to ACCEPT.( Some of you need to try it here-sheesh.)
So I had my baby-no Downs, but something there were only 37 documented cases of. They said she would live 3 months. Well, yesterday she turned 11.
And I have never been sorry I had her. Never wished I had aborted. Some people cannot deal with it-but there are so many waiting to adopt babies-will they adopt sick ones?
Oh, and outside our local Women's clinic, people occasionally do a picket...with their toddlers in tow. 1 block from the bridge the homeless live under. I want to get out of my truck and tell them, if you care about human life so much-adopt one of those human beings. They have needs too.
OK-I'm done
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| Jan 17 @ 1:09 PM |
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iam7545
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loreli - I never said that Democrats exclusively have abortions.
It is a well known fact that it is a fairly permanent plank in the Democrats platform to support abortions with tax dollars by any means necessary.
On the other hand it is a fairly permanent plank in the Republican Party platform that using tax dollars for abortions should be reduced or eliminated.
I would still like to see where this magical "heavy move" is coming from, and what case is coming up in the SCOTUS that will challenge Roe V Wade.
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| Jan 17 @ 1:20 PM |
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Loreli
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No, not you, Iam..
thisSo, if liberals continue to kill their children, then there will be fewer of them in the future.
It doesn't matter what political affiliation a person has. Abortion is abortion.
I know of a woman that had THREE of them-made me want to puke. Never intended for birth control, and, in fact, if a female has one, talking to a doctor may prove she should have the "under the skin" birth control.
Of course, it can't be forced.
But the other reasons (rape, incest, health) know no politics.
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| Jan 17 @ 1:33 PM |
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yashaenka
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There was a doctor in Ohio making millions from doing abortions, most were for health reason. Fox news took on this doctor and found a nurse who said that most documentations for health reasons by this doctor were fabricated, yet the medical boards found no finding against him. So they question is Who is policing the police [medical community] the last I heard the Attorney General of Ohio was pursuing charges against this doctor.
Health reasons is wide open for abuse....
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| Jan 17 @ 1:45 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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A female wanting an abortion should not be denied! It is her body and her fetus. If she wishes to abort this child she has to live with the consequences not I!
Personally, I detest abortion! But, since I am a male pregnancy will never be an issue for me! I just don't have the right to tell someone else what they "have" to do with their body and what is allowed to grow inside!
As far as the religious nutcases on this site and out in the hinter land...it is none of "your" business what any woman does with her body...not now nor in the future!
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