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iam7545
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Health reasons is wide open for abuse....
yash - I agree - no one polices Doctors until there is a lawsuit.
Just look at all of the prescriptions they write. One would think in this age of computers and Database the Doctors that are writing for drugs that are winding up on the streets could be caught.
Out Government is 50 years behind.
Same could be said for procedures.
No one is watching.
As far as the religious nutcases on this site and out in the hinter land...it is none of "your" business what any woman does with her body...not now nor in the future!
I believe the emotionally charged issue is government funding of abortions.
[Edited on 1/17/2008 1:53 PM]
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| Jan 17 @ 1:56 PM |
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yashaenka
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Iam that is self evident from the candidates who are running for President. All of them pointing a finger at the President when it is the Senate and Congresses responsibly to write laws and enforce them. Most of the candidates have been in office for 12 years or longer one only wonders what they have been doing.
I think the third rail of politics now has two 3rd rails, that of abortion and that of illegal immigration tied to amnesty. Huck signed a pledge yesterday to my surprise to not support Amnesty even though in his home state his position on it was thats the Feds problem.
[Edited on 1/17/2008 1:59 PM]
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| Jan 17 @ 1:58 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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iam7545...said this..."I believe the emotionally charged issue is government funding of abortions."...!
Not a word has been mentioned about "government funding"! By the poster!
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| Jan 17 @ 2:03 PM |
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yashaenka
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The dirty little secret they are all avoiding is that in the Hispanic and Blacks communities out of wed lock births are running 50%. A liberal like Hillary and Obama will support government funding by stating the depressed minorities cannot afford the cost of abortion. The fact that birth control is cheap will not even be mentioned.
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| Jan 17 @ 2:27 PM |
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MusicMonster
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LHL just said:
I just don't have the right to tell someone else what they "have" to do with their body and what is allowed to grow inside!
Agreed! I do not personally think it's appropriate to use abortion as a tool for birth control. But I don't believe things like 'other peoples' religion, or 'imposed' theoretical morals (based on whatever), should enter the picture.
A woman's body is her own. Sometimes however, an abortion should also take into account, to at least some degree, who the father may be, and his own feelings as well. He's not bearing the child, but it IS his child too, and that often needs to be considered.
-MM 
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| Jan 17 @ 2:54 PM |
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iam7545
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Iam that is self evident from the candidates who are running for President. All of them pointing a finger at the President when it is the Senate and Congresses responsibly to write laws and enforce them. Most of the candidates have been in office for 12 years or longer one only wonders what they have been doing.
I think the third rail of politics now has two 3rd rails, that of abortion and that of illegal immigration tied to amnesty. Huck signed a pledge yesterday to my surprise to not support Amnesty even though in his home state his position on it was thats the Feds problem.
yash - I agree. I wonder how some people think our government actually works. People here are now speculating that Presidential Candidates if elected will magically overturn Roe V Wade and rewrite the Constitution - all at once 
I also agree that illegal immigration is a second third rail - however that issue does not cut black and white on Party lines.
I am no constitutional scholar but I do have a basic understanding of how Laws are put forth. As far as I know Clinton and Obama have not put forth any legislation on either issue. Then they whine like school kids.
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| Jan 17 @ 3:36 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The federal government should move with all deliberate speed to extend grant money to promote the science of fetal transplants from the womb of the woman who wants to terminate her pregnancy to the womb of the Mother who wants to bear a child.
Technology that does not destroy the life of the inutero child is what is wanted and needed, including in like manner as iron lungs and heart-lung machines, the technology to nurture a growing embryo in an artificial womb pending retransplant to the birth mother from the waiting list. The state foster parent program should include finacial stipends to fetal transplant surrogate Mothers who bear the child to term and then place the child for adoption, or opt to keep the child as her own.
Pregnancy termination does not have to mean that the child dies. A woman who terminates her pregnancy should have that right as long as the equal rights of the child to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not abridged or denied.
[Edited on 1/17/2008 3:38 PM]
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| Jan 17 @ 3:38 PM |
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DiamondRain
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I think abortion should be mandatory.
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| Jan 17 @ 3:38 PM |
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iam7545
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Now - once again para presents a unique view. 
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| Jan 17 @ 3:39 PM |
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steveemac
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My Faith teaches that the soul begins at conception; yet I am pro-choice. How? Why? Well, the Writings of the Baha'i Faith state that, "The best beloved in My sight is justice..." and currently, the economics of the US are not necessarily just. So-called leaders demand that we live up to our responsibilities, yet ship jobs offshore-making it harder and harder to do so. Health care affordability is completely cluster-fcked; yet how does a single woman -or poor couple, for that matter- pay for all the medical needs of her child? Yeah, yeah, I can hear all the NeoCons right now: "If you don't wan't to get pregnant, don't have sex!" But what about a young married couple that isn't ready for children yet, is using birth control-and still gets knocked up? And really, the whole adoption argument: putting your unplanned child up for adoption is only win-win if you happen to be Caucasian; if race didn't matter, why are there international agencies to help people adopt children from Eastern Europe?
Bottom line: it's all about "supply and demand." Cutting off the supply of abortions (de-legalizing), won't end abortions; just as cutting off the supply of alcohol during prohibition didn't end alcohol use and abuse-it just drove it underground, and actually created more problems than it solved. If anyone really wants to end abortions in this country, they should work towards eliminating the demand for this procedure- and that involves a lot of complex issues that many people don't seem willing to address.
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| Jan 17 @ 3:49 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Pregnancy termination does not have to mean that the child dies. A woman who terminates her pregnancy should have that right as long as the equal rights of the child to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not abridged or denied.
You must be joking. This gets into a whole gray area of who owns the fetus, who has parental rights, etc. If a simple question like "when does life begin" is so difficult to answer -- does this create an adoption situation? I don't think this concept is any more likely than the government forcing a woman to give birth and give it up to deserving parents.
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| Jan 17 @ 3:54 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Here's what I don't get.
If it isn't life as soon as the egg and sperm get together and release their DNA bombs, what is it?
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| Jan 17 @ 3:55 PM |
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pamdemonium
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It's life. In my eyes, the minute a child is conceived, it's life.
DNA bombs? That doesn't sound very romantic, DR. 
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| Jan 17 @ 3:57 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Exactly, that's my point. If it ISN'T life, what is it?
If you can't say what it is, how can you say what it isn't?
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| Jan 17 @ 3:59 PM |
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hotdognchilli
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Our birthday in America is the day we are born  .... not the day conceived. 
Government intrusion into a women's reproductive freedom is the utmost intrusion. 
I look forward for the right of a free American's "right to die"!!!!
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| Jan 17 @ 4:03 PM |
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DiamondRain
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hotdognchilli:
Government intrusion into a women's reproductive freedom is the utmost intrusion.
So then what about government intrusion in someone's right to kill another adult?
You are saying that an umbilical cord is the distinction between who we should allow someone to kill and who we shouldn't?
If you got the cord, it's open season year round?
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| Jan 17 @ 4:04 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Our birthday in America is the day we are born .... not the day conceived.
Begging to differ...and it's not differing, really, because no one ever said the date of conception was your birthday....
....having carried two children, and feeling life moving, growing, developing...(which by the way, was the greatest blessing of my life...) I have to respectfully tell you you're full of it.
I agree DR.
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| Jan 17 @ 4:25 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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I believe you should be able to abort your child until they reach the age of 18!
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| Jan 17 @ 4:25 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Our birthday in America is the day we are born .... not the day conceived.
Government intrusion into a women's reproductive freedom is the utmost intrusion.
I look forward for the right of a free American's "right to die"!!!!
Exactly! and well put!! I certainly agree with that!! Including the last part.. Another area of intrusion where others and their imposed psuedo-morals have no right dictating control over someone.
-MM
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| Jan 17 @ 4:50 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Now - once again para presents a unique view
Any politician can promote the views of a special interest group but it takes a Statesmen to propose solutions that effectuate tranquility among the adversaries on each side of the prolonged and heated controversy.
Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come.
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