| Jan 18 @ 11:33 PM |
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andxr
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Sweetnapa.......... you couldnt have said it better than Hitler himself! How should we do this, just throw these unwanted foster children in the gas chamber with the dogs. why not? you just made case for abortion by comparing unwanted foster children to unwanted animals.
by the way, name me one animal that kills her young besides humans!
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| Jan 18 @ 11:43 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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andxr:
I'm tongue-in-cheek suggesting mandatory birth control, and that's suddenly a "Final Solution"?
I point out an unpalatable fact (i.e. the majority of people want cute babies, not some traumatized five-year-old or some sullen thirteen-year-old), and it's suddenly my fault that people want and love kids, but only if they can pick the perfect child? (Like they could be assured their child was perfect if they had one on their own...)
Try again, though. Your lack of rational thought is amusing, in a quaint, barbaric sort of way...
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| Jan 19 @ 12:33 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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name me one animal that kills her young
Liberal Democrats
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| Jan 19 @ 1:22 AM |
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SunBabe
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andxr said:
by the way, name me one animal that kills her young besides humans!
Mice, hamsters, rabbits, chickens, black mollies, guppies (from what I've witnessed)...and pigs, among thousands of species. It's natures way of assuring "survival of the fittest" if you need to get technical. 
Liberal Democrats
 Not among those I've known who chose abortion. They were ALL quite conservative...they didn't believe in unwed motherhood or irresponsible parenthood. 
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| Jan 19 @ 2:18 AM |
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andxr
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Paralegal..........I love it Tankyou 
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| Jan 19 @ 2:20 AM |
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andxr
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thanks for the bailout 
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| Jan 19 @ 2:30 AM |
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andxr
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Abortion.......".survival of the fittest"? I like you sunbabe so im gonna leave it alone!
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| Jan 19 @ 6:07 AM |
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MusicMonster
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LHL said:
Nightowl001....I am not for abortion! But, I am for a womans right to choose! IT IS HER BODY!
Therefore, I have no say whatsoever in her decision!
Exactly! However I believe there are some variations to the last statement. Depending on the circumstances, in some cases the father should have some say about the future of his child. It affects him very directly, as it does the mother..
SNG said:
Me? I say put everyone on implanted birth control. If someone can show that they want a child, takes a class on parenting, has a social network to support the, and can pass a psych evaluation, THEN I say let them have the birth control removed
That really has quite a bit of merit.. Although it may influence children to be substantially more promiscuous, earlier yet, and thereby create an epidemic of STDs in kids. But it's probably as good as anything I've heard to date. 
-MM 
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| Jan 19 @ 8:48 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Liberal Democrats
And jingoist ultra-conservatives.
No, wait... Ultra-conservatives kill other people's children. Their children are always safely away from the field of battle...
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| Jan 19 @ 9:26 AM |
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jaybird777
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I gotta six-week-after/six-week-before type a thinking. That's the limus testing I use.
If you can't kill a baby 6-weeks after birth because you don't want it, ya hadn't outter be allowed to 6 weeks before.
You ain't expected ta risk yer life ta save a baby 6-weeks after birth (although many would) you ought not be required ta risk yer life 6-weeks before.
6-weeks after, you are obligated ta give a baby nourishment and care, I think yer alos obligatd 6-weeks before.
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| Jan 19 @ 9:45 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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That's third trimester. Most people, including most people on the pro-choice side, would agree that third-trimester abortions should be illegal.
What is happening is that anti-choice advocates are trying to legislate morality. The only trouble is, taking away abortions won't take away people's sex drives. People will get pregnant, and people will get abortions, whether it's legal or not.
And a lot of women will die, because the abortions will be botched. (Info)
The solution to the crisis of abortions is not to legislate away abortions, while offering no other option. That's the simplistic thinking one gets from the neo-cons, and it hasn't ever worked. You can't use "bumper sticker" logic to try to solve complex problems with simplistic solutions.
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| Jan 19 @ 10:17 AM |
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iam7545
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Well here is good news about abortions. Since most here agree that abortions should NOT be used as a method of birth control and only when necessary (except of course a certain 50+ OLDER woman) it seems that nature is taking its course to reduce abortions.
The coat hanger argument proves here to be wornout. There is certainly no evidence to suggest that fewer women are having sex.
>>>>>>>>>>> Abortions Down In USA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The conclusion of a sweeping new nationwide study released today that included interviews with every known abortion provider in the country is unambiguous. Abortions are decreasing.
The study, conducted by the Guttmacher Institute, which researches issues related to reproductive health and sexuality, found that in 2005, the U.S. abortion rate fell to 19.4 abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 to 44, the lowest level since 1974. The total number of abortions also declined, to a total of 1.2 million in 2005, well below the all-time high of 1.6 million abortions in 1990.
But the study raises a fascinating and tricky question: Why?
The researchers who conducted the study said they simply don't know, but they do have two theories.
One reason could be that since people now have easier access to contraception -- including emergency contraception like Plan B -- there are fewer unwanted pregnancies.
Another reason could be that there are also fewer abortion clinics.
"Eighty-seven percent of counties in the United States don't have an abortion provider," Rachel Jones of the Guttmacher Institute said. "Thirty-five percent of women live in those counties."
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| Jan 19 @ 10:35 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Has there been a corresponding increase in births? Or does this study show the folly of the "abstinence-only education" as championed by the neo-cons?
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| Jan 19 @ 10:42 AM |
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iam7545
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Rather than continue your pattern of badgering why don't you simply read the article. It is from ABC News - hardly a source even you would term Neo-con!
Read it - then try to contribute this time.
Novel Eye Dear? 
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| Jan 19 @ 11:07 AM |
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misschoos
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Novel Eye Dear?
That is a novel eye dear coming from ewe
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| Jan 19 @ 11:13 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I read the article, putz. It quite clearly points out that there can be many causes for the decline in abortions. The anti-choice crowd claims it's because their tactics of intimidating doctors and heckling patients has caused more births.
I simply asked if there was any proof that there's been a commensurate increase in births, or if the "sex education requires more than 'just saying no'" crowd was proven correct.
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| Jan 19 @ 11:28 AM |
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jamminjerry
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to over-simplify again. i am the only one that has the right to change the mind of the mother of my child. of course other than herself. logically, is not one half of the Pro-choice decision Pro-life? without choice it becomes just another law, the very thing that my teacher fullfilled. I am now under grace and of course, choice. and there i will be judged, by my choice.
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| Jan 19 @ 11:53 AM |
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sciurusniger
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I personally am primarily Pro-Choice, with some reasonable guidelines. I don't want to return to the dark-ages of coat-hangers and back-alleys. However I also don't feel abortion should be used as birth-control either.
What say you?
Without yet having read any responses, I say that abortion is not something I would consider for my Self unless under perhaps less than a handful of extremely mitigating circumstances. But I do not now nor would I ever presume to tell another woman what to do about her situation. So for political purposes I am adamantly pro-choice.
We must each manage our own karma and this is one area in particular that must be left to individuals.
Edited after reading some of the comments:
And as far as declining abortion rates, I would investigate how closely it correlates to the increase in fertility issues instead.
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| Jan 19 @ 1:21 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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How stupid. Fetuses THINK now?
It has been observed that inutero, babies do suck their thumbs and perform other things establishing that they feel and react to input.
An abortion for post-coitus birth control reasons is nothing more than prenatal infanticide.
The obvious solution to preserve a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy is to develope procedures to perform a fetal transplant to preserve the life of the baby. Once a woman has terminated her pregnancy, which is her right, the balance should swing in favor of what is in the best interests of the child.
[Edited on 1/19/2008 1:35 PM]
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| Jan 19 @ 1:38 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And yet, the fundies are opposed to even preventing pregnancies. And once the child is born, not a care is given to what to do with an unwanted child.
When abortions were illegal, they were still performed, either by outlaw doctors in backstreet clinics, or by non-professionals using improvised implements, or by injestion of noxious and dangerous chemicals. Worldwide, one in eight deaths involved with pregnancy is due to complications due to unprofessional abortions.
The only things banning abortions would do is increase the glut of unwanted kids and result in more women dying during pregnancy.
In other words, another step by the neo-cons in turning the USA into a third-world country...
Edit: A fetus transplant? ARE there a million surrogate mothers a year in the USA willing to incubate the fetuses? Keeping in mind, the population of the USA is about 300 million, of which 55 million are females in the 18-44yo age group, that means that approximately 2% of the female population in those age groups must be relegated to being brood mares. And it'd be much worse: you couldn't ask them to do it more than once every three or four years, so you'd have to get at least 10% of the adult female population to act as incubators, or they'd wear out.
[Edited on 1/19/2008 1:45 PM]
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