| Jan 18 @ 9:40 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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McCain leading Clinton?
There are two things that keep me from being worried about a Clinton vs. McCain matchup. The first is that this simply looks to be a Democratic year. Tick off the reasons: Americans don't like to keep a single political party in the White House for more than eight years (it's only happened once in the postwar era). The war in Iraq is unpopular. The economy is sinking. The 9/11 effect has worn off. Conservatives are tired and plainly lack new ideas.
Second, I don't think McCain is nearly as attractive a candidate as a lot of people think. Again, tick off the reasons: He's 71 years old. He's a dead-ender for the war. (Do you think "a million years in Iraq" will play well with moderates in November?) A lot of his independent cred has been shredded over the past couple of years. He'll get evangelical votes, but he won't get their enthusiastic support, the way George Bush did. Ditto for nativist votes. He's got a long, very conservative voting record that's never really been exposed to a national audience. The Keating Five scandal will get revisited. Press ardor for McCain will likely diminish as his campaign becomes less open, as it's bound to do.
Now is not the time for optimism on the part of the Republicans, or apathy on the part of the Democrats. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats are fielding any decent candidates this time around, so even a second-stringer like Clinton can win...
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| Jan 18 @ 9:45 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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Don't worry, anyone the Dems run will win against the Republicans. It's a done deal. The youth of America have finally become aware of how the Republicans have raped the country. It's over for them. Bye bye to the old Republican guard. They don't have the money, they don't have the support and basically, they have nothing. You might as well say adios MF's and thank god for the change! 
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| Jan 18 @ 9:49 PM |
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jaybird777
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The Repulicans deserve ta lose, but if they put Hillary er Obama up there, they will win. I got my hopes on Edwards, he;s the only can stop another 4 years a Reubplican reign.
If he had been at the top a the ticket last time instead a that idiot Kerry, we wouldn't a had ta suffer through another 4 years a GWB
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| Jan 18 @ 9:50 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The war in Iraq is unpopular.
Among the rabble, maybe, but certainly not among the precision thinkers.
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| Jan 18 @ 9:52 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Thanks to Bush the rabble now number about 65% of the people voting! Precision thinkers...
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| Jan 18 @ 9:55 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Among the rabble, maybe, but certainly not among the precision thinkers.
Which is quickly turning into only "the most bloody-minded of the far-right wing of the Republican party."
Opinion polls show support has dropped below 34%, and it's a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." If things go well, people want out because it's costly and because they want their family members home for the holidays. If things go badly, people want out because it's brutal and they don't want their family to die. The polls aren't likely to improve one way or the other.
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| Jan 18 @ 10:18 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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The war in Iraq...please, remind me why we're there, in terms of what is it doing for the longterm benefit of these United States. I have no problem putting up the money to help support SSI for the disabled, but I'm not quite as enthusiastic about trying to convert anyone - either religiously or politically. Yes, al Qaeda attacked us...and I'd pony up to try to provide payback to those responsible...but as far as I can see, al Qaeda went from having zero position in Iraq to a much stronger one.
Some precise specifics on what this is gaining for us please? Unless you're one of the creditors who are going to get a nice piece of change in interest from us, what do you see that you're getting out of this?
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| Jan 18 @ 10:30 PM |
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jaybird777
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Among the rabble, maybe, but certainly not among the precision thinkers
You an GWB outter sit in the corner together and tell each other how smert ya er
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| Jan 18 @ 10:47 PM |
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andxr
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This country is not ready for a woman or a black president. It's that simple! the dems just put Mcain in office. 
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| Jan 18 @ 10:55 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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andxr....I could care less about whom you vote for! Just remember my cousin will cancel yours out! He lives in South Bend!
You are the first republican that has ever said he likes war and recession! Are you still flipping burgers at Mickey D's?
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| Jan 18 @ 11:03 PM |
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Nightowl001
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The Republicans are going down the tubes big time on the economics issue.
As far as "now is not the time..." right now, the Democrats can lay back a bit. It won't be until after the convention that things really pick up steam. And it remains to be seen what the situation will be like anywhere by then. But they'll have to be damned energetic between August and November and GET PEOPLE TO THE POLLS! (And I'll be helping!)
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| Jan 18 @ 11:16 PM |
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MusicMonster
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This is not a good war, nor is it for any of the right reasons.
It is the personal obsession of a misguided, head-strong president with a boatload of psychological issues.
It is basically accomplishing nothing good for America, and Iraq is milking us for all it can gain from it. The sooner we get out the better. We don't belong there, and we never should have gotten in!
I too believe Edwards is the best man for the job and for turning America around, as it so badly needs, after two disastrous presidential terms, and the partial destruction of our beloved homeland.
And that's not the view from the Left. That's just hard cold reality.
-MM 
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| Jan 19 @ 12:31 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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We don't belong there, and we never should have gotten in!
Sorry, MusicMonster. We had a very good set of reasons to invade Iraq and it was a very good thing that we did so. We DO belong there. We will be there for many years yet to come, in the capacity as military and police training advisors and in the capacity as CIA Paymasters lining the pockets of compliant Iraqi politicians as they act as USA proxies.
That is a very good thing.
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| Jan 19 @ 1:44 AM |
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andxr
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A care less about who you think I'm voting for. I simply stated that the Democrats were very wrong to choose the two front runners that they have chosen. The game is over. As I said before, the country is not yet ready for these two candidates to become the president of the United States. Republicans will take up residency in the White House for the next four years because of this mistake. Just because somebody is a republican does not mean they support bushes lies, false pretenses, and violations on civilians rights such as wiretapping, ignoring the UN, and so on. What disturbs me the most is when people speak about how wrong the war is becaue of the money spent on it and not lives lost. That's what's wrong. So you don't have gas to drive your boat or fiil up your RV. or you have to buy the generic beer because you cant afford the good stuff because too much money is being spent on a war. A war that prevents women from being rape in the middle of the street. A war that allows children walk to school knowing that they're not going to end up in a hole at end of the day with 30 other dead children. I could care less about your economic sorrows. And more about the soldiers putting their lives on the line every day so people in other countries can have freedom we have.I have to go now i believe your brother is at my front door with my pizza if he gets real hard up, I'll pay him a dollar to shampoo my dogs ass
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| Jan 19 @ 2:40 AM |
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andxr
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anybody needs me i'll be on the sex forums
it's beem fun
i encourage hate mail if it will help you vent
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| Jan 19 @ 8:48 AM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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And more about the soldiers putting their lives on the line every day so people in other countries can have freedom we have.
I think what you meant to say is that the soldiers put their lives on the line so we can protect some oil interests. There is absolutely NO fighting going on for freedom. You have been duped. This war has been a terrible waste of lives.
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| Jan 19 @ 8:49 AM |
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jaybird777
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This country is not ready for a woman or a black president. It's that simple! the dems just put Mcain in office. I agree except I don't McCain got it locked up yet, and I wouldn't count Edwards out yet.
I too believe Edwards is the best man for the job and for turning America around, as it so badly needs, after two disastrous presidential terms, and the partial destruction of our beloved homeland. Right on Dude
We don't belong there, and we never should have gotten in! I agree one hundred percent, but I gottter confess, at the start I was duped like many. The idea of "take the batta ta them" sounded good at the time. A year later I realized, we were sold a bill a goods and this ig gonna be Viet Nam II.
Like many, I realized since then what was going on.
Only a witless fool would still be thinking the war was a good idea at this point
We had a very good set of reasons to invade Iraq and it was a very good thing that we did so. We DO belong there. ^^^^^^^
Case in point
Just because somebody is a republican does not mean they support bushes lies, false pretenses, and violations on civilians rights such as wiretapping, ignoring the UN, and so on. You are right!!! Over half a the even the republicans (I'm one) have had enough a the war. The only republican runnin now that I could support is Paul an he is a real long shot.
Fer me, mI am supportin Edwards this time round. He is the only one out there that has a clue and has a viable chance.
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andxr
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The war is wrong! Bush had his heart set on it. americans have died for it. However at the very least, those people are better off. because of our men, not our money.
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| Jan 19 @ 12:22 PM |
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andxr
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Dems need to wake up and get Edwards in there! it's there only hope!
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