| Feb 19 @ 2:44 PM |
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jamminjerry
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actually, i don't think CDC supressed it, i do beleive i read something along these lines in their Morbidity and Mortality Report back in 71 or 72. i don't remember the dates specifically but if it is actually important, someone will research it. Morbidity and Mortality Report. CDC we got them once a month. got it! as i said, only if is is really important will the monkeys start screaming and hollaring. like a big truck running into a school bus cause the driver had took the wrong exit and decided to get back on the interstate! LOL been there, done that, almost. i was watching her! LOL i figured she would do something stupit, i was right and her football team made it to their game! i just remembered! ya gotta remind each generation! its kinda like war and other bad things! if ya don't remind them they will keep pointing at their brain!
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| Feb 19 @ 3:20 PM |
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steveemac
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It was and is posted on the doors for the FEMA people, but being hot, they would rather have air conditioned, than open windows. If this is true, then I take back any inference I might have made about ...well, whatever... but I do know that when I bought my new pop-up in 1995, there weren't any warnings about venting out formaldehyde vapors-and believe me, I saved every bit of original documentation that came with the unit -as well as reading them all- as that was "my baby."
Which kind of begs the question: if the CDC knows about the dangers of this, so much so that FEMA posted warnings in the trailers, why then aren't the same warnings posted in said trailers that are acquired via retail by the general public? Or is this something very recent?
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| Feb 19 @ 5:15 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Hm, the pop up you have might not have all the chemicals that a trailer has though.
It is interesting though.
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| Feb 19 @ 7:51 PM |
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blueyes101
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The CDC, Centers for Disease Control, our nations top public health agency. An agency made to look out for Americans! Has decided under the Bush Administration to look out for corporations and forget the people that fund its existance! Another look at the scams that permeate the republican controlled government!
This report is further proof you as an American are not important at all when it comes to corporate profits! Actually these people are criminals! Including George Bush!
I just love to read this sh!t, somehow, the President of the United States, somehow instructed the manufacturers what toxic material to use in the construction of these trailers.. For the express purpose of harming the very people the trailers are provided to attempt to help.
After all, this is a right wing conspiracy. 
Sorry to inform you of the truth, but the exact same materials would be used regardless of who was President.
It just goes to show how biased you are about even the most basic discussion.....
Was the purpose of this thread to blame the Bush administration?
Or to point out inferior materials were used in the manufacturing process....
Pick a subject, just one, blending the two is like adding muddy water to clean water, it only makes a bigger glass of muddy water....
If you walk through Home Depot or any other lumber yard, there is a list of harmful ingredients for most products. And it also gives you safe handling instructions..
If you take a combination of chemicals and put them in a confined space, it can or will have an adverse effect. It is not the chemicals itself, it is prolonged exposure to the combination of them. At one time, canvas tents were saturated with kerosene to help water proof them.. 
You could be sleeping in a tent, or living in any house on Main st. USA and be inhaling Radon..
If you are REALLY concerned about the health and welfare of the occupants of these trailers, I hope you will take the proper steps to open your home to these transplanted refugees.
Putting them into a Motel/Hotel, they can complain about the combination of cleaning supplies used to provide a clean environment for each guest..
Now, here is something else to consider... any motel/hotel room will wear out if you stick 3-4 or more people in a room for 24/7 for days and weeks on end... Where do they go when the room needs cleaning? Do you realize how many are cooking illegally in these rooms? Putting the rest of the paying guests at a higher risk of fire. Are they supposed to go out to eat 3 meals a day everyday....???
This is a very complicated problem, I knew the moment they shipped everyone out, and expected someone else to rebuild their city, this never going to work. As many people as possible should have been utilized to help rebuild the city. You cannot just give someone free room and bored forever.... There is something somewhere they can do to help subsidize themselves. Even a 80 year old woman in a wheelchair can hand out water to those rebuilding her house, and she will appreciate their efforts all the more.
What is the percentage of the displaced who could have been trained to do something, paint, pick up the debris, landscaping.... to help better their community? Putting them in a trailer, and saying stay here, until we can figure something out, is just a losing proposition. For EVERYBODY !!!!!!!!!!
Now we are blaming the trailers..... If they are breathing too many chemicals....... GO OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING ONCE IN A WHILE !!!!!!!!!!!!! They are provided a dry place to sleep, a place to eat and cook, and an address to collect a check.
Now, I DO realize there is a lot of people we are talking about.... And many would love the choice to get their lives back to normal. But I also realize there are those who will milk this for all it is worth.
It makes me cringe to think of a small child who will soon ask......." When will the next hurricane come mommy, we need a new tv. "
This was a huge opportunity to train the people of that region to help rebuild themselves. Who else would be better to send to the next part of the country hit by a category 5 storm, but those who just rebuilt their own city?
We have created a whole new group of victims, and a whole new generation of those who look to the system for help, instead of scratching out a better life then the previous generation.
The hurricane was a terrible thing to happen to them, this is even worse.
[Edited on 2/19/2008 7:55 PM]
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| Feb 19 @ 8:34 PM |
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nah12
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maybe this will help:
Formaldehyde is a highly reactive chemical that can cause indoor air quality problems in the home. This factsheet summarizes the sources of formaldehyde emissions in the home, the potential effects of these emissions, and ways to reduce or avoid them. Link to the rest of the fact sheet
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| Feb 19 @ 8:49 PM |
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iam7545
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blueeyes - thanks for once again posting good info.
You have to understand - if there is a freakin pot hole in the road in Idaho - it is a right wing conspiracy on these boards.
Katts has been trying to inform peeps here and they continue the Bush conspiracy theory. Next thing you know Louis Farrakhan will accuse the President of genocide and then bring the coughing people from NOLA to the Congress for hearings!
Thanks again!
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| Feb 20 @ 1:16 AM |
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steveemac
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the pop up you have might not have all the chemicals that a trailer has though. Well, it has no carpet, but it certainly has cabinets, seat cushions, and wood flooring under the linoleum; so I would have to assume that at least some of the material is the same as used in hard-side trailers.
If you have furniture, it is in there. If you have any kind of wood on your walls or cabinets, it is probably in there too.
As I asked before: if FEMA/CDC/US Gov't. knew enough about these hazards to post notices in the FEMA trailers, why wouldn't such notices be mandated for everyone buying a trailer? And while it's true that pop-ups may not have the same chemical risk as hard-sided trailers (I can't believe I just said that), I've been to enough RV shows to know I haven't seen any such notices posted inside the brand-new travel-trailers on display there.
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| Feb 20 @ 8:13 AM |
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nah12
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steve by chance did you read the fact sheet?
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| Feb 20 @ 10:40 AM |
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kattsmeow
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I'll help Nah.
Where Does Formaldehyde Come From?
Building Materials
The industrial uses of formaldehyde are numerous. A major source of formaldehyde in the home is building materials. It is used in urea formaldehyde (UF) adhesive for particle board, hardwood plywood, and medium density fiberboard. Formaldehyde is also used in some upholstery, carpet and carpet glues, wallpaper, urea-formaldehyde foam insulation, and paneling.
Formaldehyde gas emissions from these materials result from the release of unreacted formaldehyde in the glue mixture that bonds these materials together.
Formaldehyde gas emissions also result when water vapor reacts with the cured UF resin, breaking down the UF bond and releasing additional formaldehyde. The warm and humid conditions necessary for this breakdown can occur frequently in some homes[B].
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| Feb 20 @ 10:51 AM |
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nah12
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thanks Katt 
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| Feb 20 @ 11:17 AM |
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iam7545
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katt - I really do not understand why some continue to ignore the good info that you and blue keep posting.
It is the smell of a new car
It is the smell of new carpet in a house
It is the smell after new wood flooring has been installed
The smell leaves after a room has been aired out.
If not we would all be dead by now.
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| Feb 20 @ 11:27 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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katt - I really do not understand why some continue to ignore the good info that you and blue keep posting.
who is ignoring it??some of us are well versed in just what is causing it... but have stated over and over...just air the trailers out...
and others say..no way should they have to...
wonder what PMF would say about someone who complained about him..but would not air out the room????
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| Feb 20 @ 11:31 AM |
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nah12
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don't you know GH that there is suppose to be a government program that does everything for ya........  
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| Feb 20 @ 11:38 AM |
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iam7545
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nah - Yup - if your area was being hit by a hurricane and was flooding would you sit on the roof of your house a piss and moan when the Transit Bus did not show up?
OPEN THE DOORS - air the trailers out. Stop whining already.
Looks like we have created an entire generation of noodleheads!
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| Feb 20 @ 1:09 PM |
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steveemac
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steve by chance did you read the fact sheet?
Did you by chance read my previous posts?
there weren't any warnings about venting out formaldehyde vapors-and believe me, I saved every bit of original documentation that came with the unit -as well as reading them all- as that was "my baby."
I know you want to think I'm stupid, and you get all wet and sticky thinking you're gonna make me look stupid, but get over it. Go back to dittoing Rush, or whatever you NeoCons do for gratification.
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| Feb 20 @ 1:15 PM |
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kattsmeow
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But, does airing them out help that much? The toxins are still there.
Think about a baby or young child crawling around on the carpet ot the new hard wood floor. The chemicals that are used should be illegal. I imagine there are materials that can be used instead, but makes a place very expensive I bet.
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| Feb 20 @ 1:27 PM |
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steveemac
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who is ignoring it??some of us are well versed in just what is causing it... but have stated over and over...just air the trailers out...
and others say..no way should they have to... All I'm saying is why weren't you at the dealership when I bought my trailer? I have two kids; believe me, I would have opened that sucker up in the garage and let it vent out all winter; but how would I have known to do this?
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| Feb 20 @ 5:38 PM |
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blueyes101
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Everything is dangerous to some extent. Just handling cash can be very toxic, you could warn these people about the dangers of germs on money, but if they had the chance they would pick up and touch as many dollar bills as possible. But, giving them shelter, means WE are killing them....
I just saw 15-20 people jogging along side of my car in the second largest city in Michigan.. The temps were near zero, they were jogging in place next to about 20 cars, waiting for the light to change....Basically breathing in all of the exhaust. HOW HEALTHY IS THIS???????? This is how they spend their lunch break....( But they also pay someone to mow their lawn and plow their driveway.)
It is probably more dangerous to drive to work than it is to sleep in these trailers..
How many are smoking and drinking while in these trailers?? ( not that I have a problem with smoking and drinking )..
I heard a great joke about banning smoking in bars last week...
" Hey, Mr. bar man..... I'm sitting here drinking as much as possible, and before I try to drive my ass home, I'm hoping to have unprotected sex with a woman I have not met yet, and this guy is blowing second hand smoke in my face."
Perspective, it is all perspective.
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| Feb 20 @ 9:22 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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The very reason we have FEMA, The Pure Food And Drug Act and other federal departments is to protect Americans from individuals, corporations and other unscrupulous business's that are making products, food and drugs that kill and murder Americans!
Now, there are some posters here that believe they are on top of things when really they are still pulling on the "binkie"!
Formaldehyde should be outlawed for any type construction materials that will be used by humans or animals! But, it is cheap and the corporations are able to maximize profits at the expense of "your" life!
These agency's or departments were formed by Congress to help Americans and to protect them! Under the Bush Administration and others they have stood for corporate profits first........American lives last!
Pure Food and Drug Act
accused of twisting science...FEMA
Toxic Gas in FEMA Units
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| Feb 20 @ 9:49 PM |
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nah12
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sure less outlaw it and a few more thousand things.....but don't come crying about the price of things...AND don't expect my tax dollars to foot the bill for your welfare checks casue i'm about to join the welfare line because they've got it better than i do......... 
so mr big ole out of control bush government since you are the casue of it.. ..spend some more on all these i want this for free programs because i'm coming to join and i do not want you to add any more debit to the government bills either.... 
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