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Feb 1, 2008 @ 1:16 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Paralegal_at_Law


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Subject: MILITARY DEATHS FOR TWENTY YEARS---

Bet you didn't know the following! I surely did not..
Military losses for 20 years

These are some rather eye-opening facts: Since the start of the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan, the sacrifice has been enormous. In the time period from the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 through now, we have lost over 3000 military personnel to enemy action and accidents. As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider the following statistics: The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
>>1980 ......... 2,392
>>1981 ......... 2,380
>>1984 .......... 1,999
>>1988 .......... 1,819
>>1989 .......... 1,636
>>1990 ......... 1,508
>>1991 .......... 1,787
>>1992 .......... 1,293----------------------------------------------------
>>1993 ......... 1,213
>>1994 .......... 1,075
>>1995 ..........2,465
>>1996 ......... 2,318 Clinton years @13,417 deaths
>>1997 .......... 817
>>1998 ......... 2,252
>>1999 ......... 1,984 -------------------------------------------------
>>2000 ......... 1,983
>>2001 .......... 890
>>2002 ......... 1,007 7 BUSH years @ 9,016 deaths
>>2003 .......... 1,410
>>2004 .......... 1,887
>>2005 ......... 919
>>2006.......... 920 ------------------------------------------------------------
If you are confused when you look at these figures...so was I.
Do these figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr. Clinton 's presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war? And, I was even more confused; when I read that in 1980, during the reign of President (Nobel Peace Prize) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities!
These figures indicate that many of our Media & Politicians will pick and choose. They present only those 'facts' which support their agenda-driven reporting. Why do so many of them march in lock-step to twist the truth. Where do so many of them get their marching-orders for their agenda?
Our Mainstream Print and TV media, and many Politicians like to slant; that these brave men and women, who are losing their lives in Iraq, are mostly minorities! Wrong AGAIN--- just one more media lie! The latest census, of Americans, shows the following distribution of American citizens, by Race:
>>European descent (White) ...... 69.12%
>>Hispanic ................................ 12.5%
>>Black..................................... 12.3%
>>Asian ...................................... 3.7%
>>Native American ..................... . 1.0%
>>Other ..................................... 2.6%

Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:
>>European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
>>Hispanic ............................ 10.74%
>>Black .................................. 9.67%
>>Asian ................................ . 1.81%
>>Native American ................... 1.09%
>>Other ................................... . 33%
You do the Math! These figures don't lie... but, Media-liars figure...and they sway public opinion! (These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and they may be confirmed by anyone at:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf )

Now ask yourself these two questions:
'Why does the mainstream Print and TV Media never print statistics like these?' and 'Why do the mainstream media hate the web as much as they do?'

I have consistently maintained that the combat deaths in Iraq, for which the antiwar copperhaed democrats consistantly wave the bloody shirt in outrage, have been sustained at a very low level. The numbers have proven my point. I note that once more there is "selective outrage" with no picketing or protests made against the far more bloodier Clinton Administration than durin the administration of George W. Bush. If they wished to be fair, the protestors should be consistent.

I received these numbers from an email sent to me by someone who saw my posts and went and got these numbers from Congressional Research Service and wanted to share the results. I am accomodating of sharing this information.

More military deaths during Bill Clinton's Presidency than during the George W. Bush Presidency
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 1:29 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Gallows_Humor


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so..without reading past the 3000 number quoted...

is it a lie to compare total military related deaths in the world each year ..to just the ones that are attributed to the war on terror?
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 1:39 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Nightowl001


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is it a lie to compare total military related deaths in the world each year

"Lies, damned lies and statistics."

From page 10 of the .pdf file ParaLiar links to for actual deaths of all active-duty military personnel.
Table 4. U.S. Active Duty Military Deaths, 1993 Through 2006,
Total
Deaths
1993 - 1,213
1994 - 1,075
1995 - 1,040
1996 - 974
1997 - 817
1998 - 827
1999 - 796
2000 - 758
2001 - 891
2002 - 999
2003 - 1,228
2004 - 1,874
2005 - 1,942
2006 - 1,858
Source: Defense Manpower Data Center, Statistical Information Analysis Division,
[http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates1.pdf], accessed on June 27, 2007.
Notes: As of February 28, 2007 (reflects preliminary counts for 2006 and revised figures for 2004
and 2005).
a. Official Department of Defense end-strengths as of December 31 for military pay accounts.
Excludes full time Guard and Reserve.
b. Full time equivalent (FTE) is based on official Department of Defense fiscal year end selected
reserve strength (10% of the figure is used to estimate days on active duty).

It is a flat out LIE that more military personnel died during the Clinton Presidency than during the Bush Presidency. More military people died from all causes during the Clinton Presidency than died from COMBAT ACTION during the lower-plant-life Presidency. In fact, the chart above was copied from the website, page 10, titled
"
Table 4. U.S. Active Duty Military Deaths, 1980 Through 2006,
Part I, Total Military Personnel

I don't know where ParaLiar got his figures. They aren't in that report the way he presents them.

(Hint: If you're going to blatantly lie, don't provide a link that DOESN'T back up your lie.)



[Edited on 2/1/2008 1:53 PM]
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 1:47 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
thegoodideaman


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you are a truly ill Individual, seek help...
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 1:51 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
User267


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It appears that the Soros-minded whackjobs are having a real hard time refuting this one Para.

Imagine that...
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 2:00 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Nightowl001


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It appears that the Soros-minded whackjobs are having a real hard time refuting this one Para.

Imagine that...

Once again, a conservative exhibits that Truth is a foreign substance in his mouth.
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 2:02 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
iam7545


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no - stop whining -






embrace it!
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 2:11 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
steveemac


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Once again, a conservative exhibits that Truth is a foreign substance in his mouth.
C'mon, Owl, you know the NeoCon mantra: "Never let the truth interfere with a good conspiracy."
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:07 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
SunBabe


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Oh cripes, here we go again. We've already gone though these figures that were prompted by one of those circulating emails

Here's the DOD chart I posted back then that give the CAUSES of the deaths:

http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_88_16809_1/5_119_US_Soldiers_Died_During_Clinton_s_First_5_Years_In_Office.html

And here is the UPDATED DOD chart:

http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf

*Official Department of Defense end-strengths as of December 31 for military pay accounts. Excludes full time Guard and Reserve.
**Full time equivalent (FTE) is based on official Department of Defense fiscal year end selected reserve strength (10% of the figure is used to estimate days on Active Duty).
Prepared by: Defense Manpower Data Center
Statistical Information Analysis Division
*** Data subject to change - as of Nov. 22, 2007 (reflects preliminary counts for 2006 and revised figures for 2004 and 2005).

Fewer deaths due to accidents and illnesses and such?

I guess that's a fair offset for the over 2600 times increase in HOSTILE deaths.

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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:16 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
thegoodideaman


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Thank you for your illumination SunBabe
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:18 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
SunBabe


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I just get disgusted by people spreading false gossip as "facts" through these dumb lying or skewed emails.
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:22 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Nightowl001


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I do too, Sunbabe, but you know how it is. The Bush whackers... I mean backers... don't have much in the way of real accomplishments they can point to. So they have to lie to make him sound better than... well, anybody else. Their defense by the end of his term will probably be, "At least he didn't eat his enemies like Idi Amin (yet)."
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:28 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
iam7545


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sunbabe - thanks. so much for the recent non sense about military suicides. seems there is no correlation to combat duty and there is a marked improvement.

You should email this to the NYT and LA Times and that whack job Murrow wannabe - Keith Olberman.
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:31 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
jimbo242


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Say it ain't so, Joe! The right wouldn't lie about statististics....isn't there some connection with the "religious right" and something about "thou shall not bear false witness?"

It's like not coveting your neighbors wife....apparently it's alright if she covets me?

So many loopholes....so little time!
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:42 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
Gallows_Humor


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while we are revisiting this...where are the statististics for the total number of disabled veterans for each year?...

when are veterans going to stand up and stop this nonsence?..


(imho..)
their sacrifices have been too great to be used in this way... and they should not be used as pawns in someones game...
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 3:49 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
jimbo242


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Exactomundo GH....but hasn't that arguement been going on since WWII?
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 4:14 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
kattsmeow


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Gallows:
when are veterans going to stand up and stop this nonsence?..


(imho..)
their sacrifices have been too great to be used in this way... and they should not be used as pawns in someones game...

You saying that brought to mind a picture I have, so I had to put it in here.
( I also believe it was taken in S.F.)



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Feb 1, 2008 @ 4:41 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
MusicMonster


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I wish we could stick to actual facts sometimes..

If we have to make things up, or come up with known false data, think about it..
We're only fooling ourselves.. And what good is that?

-MM

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Feb 1, 2008 @ 4:46 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
jimbo242


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We're only fooling ourselves

Every two to four years..............
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Feb 1, 2008 @ 9:49 PM Far more military presonnel died during Clinton's Presidency than during Bush's    
lefthandedluckie


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This answers para's post and also the false email.

actual figures and also the false email hi-lited first with the facts following
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