| Feb 10 @ 8:07 AM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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As her ship continues to take on water and sink, some remain in denial, like the small string ensemble that kept playing music on the Titanic while oblivious to the impending disaster and their own death!
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Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic'
By Tim Shipman in Washington and Philip Sherwell in Chicago
Last Updated: 11:53am GMT 10/02/2008
Hillary Clinton's most senior advisers are in a state of "panic" about her presidential prospects and are plotting to enlist Democrat leaders in Congress to thwart her rival Barack Obama's ambitions.
The Clinton camp is braced for Mr Obama to win a series of primary elections over the next three weeks, which they fear could hand the Illinois senator unstoppable momentum in the race for the White House.
Mr Obama has begun calling those "super delegates" - 795 congressmen and senior party officials who could break a dead heat - who are committed to Mrs Clinton, asking them to change their minds and help him wrap up the nomination.
As of tonight, the two candidates were neck and neck but Mr Obama appeared to be gaining momentum.
"He's saying: 'Hey, I won your state and I won your congressional district, why are you supporting her?'" a Democrat strategist revealed.
The Clinton camp hopes to stop the Obama bandwagon by winning Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4, after which Mrs Clinton is planning to call on party grandees including Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House of Representatives and Harry Reid, the party's leader in the Senate, to persuade Mr Obama to stand down.
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Clinton aides have privately admitted that Mr Obama would only consider such a move if offered the position of vice presidential running mate, something Mrs Clinton has always been reluctant to consider.
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A senior Democrat who has discussed Clinton campaign thinking with a member of her inner circle said: "The Clintons are in a state of panic. She has to win both Texas and Ohio."
But he added that this might prove impossible if Mr Obama maintains his momentum and wins most, or all, of the nine contests which come before that.
Mr Obama won yesterday's primary elections held in Washington state and Nebraska, and is expected to do well in Louisiana.
He is also favourite to sweep Maryland, Virginia, and Washington DC, which all vote on Tuesday, as well as Wisconsin and Hawaii, where he once lived, on February 19.
Only in Maine is Mrs Clinton confident, though Virginia and Wisconsin may also go her way.
Asked about the upcoming states, Mr Obama's chief strategist David Axelrod told The Sunday Telegraph: "We feel comfortable with them. What was once inevitable is no longer inevitable. The momentum has switched in this race.
"We closed a 20 point gap in the national polls in the last two weeks. The more people are exposed to his message, the better he does."
But he added: "We are up against the Clinton machine. We are the perpetual underdog and will be throughout this process. We're ready to go all the way to the convention."
Clinton aides believe that if Mr Obama does not deliver a knock-out blow before March 4, the advantage will swing back to her and she will argue for a deal in which uncommitted super-delegates unite behind her, to preserve party unity.
But the prospect of a deal behind closed doors, that could brush aside the views of voters in the primaries, is already creating fury in the party.
Donna Brazile, an African American strategist, said last week: "If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party."
But the Clinton camp fears that a failure to engineer a deal could lead to bitter battles at the Democrat convention in Denver in late August, which could even end with Al Gore, the former vice president, emerging as a compromise candidate.
"There's a five per cent chance of that happening, but that's five percent too high," the Clinton source said.
Mrs Clinton is also under financial pressure.
She claimed that she received $7.5m in donations after admitting lending her campaign $5m last week.
But the source claimed that her campaign is actually in far worse financial trouble than they are letting on.
There will be no proof of how much she raised for three months, when the totals are formally declared to election watchdogs.
The one thing the Clinton and Obama camps can agree on is that John McCain, who is popular with independents and moderate Democrats, is their "worst nightmare".
They now fear that he could pick Colin Powell or former congressman JC Watts, both of whom are African American, as his running mate.
But Mr McCain still has to shore up his conservative base and is actively looking at the Governors of Minnesota, South Carolina, Indiana, Mississippi, Florida and Texas: Tim Pawlenty, Mark Sandford, Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, Charlie Crist and Rick Perry.
Allies of President Bush are making the case for Rob Portman, a former White House Budget office director and Ohio congressman.
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| Feb 10 @ 10:36 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Iam has no clue...
just what these words actually mean
.Hillary Clinton's ..... Ohio congressman.
nowhere can any sane logical person come to this conclusion
As her ship continues to take on water and sink, some remain in denial, like the small string ensemble that kept playing music on the Titanic while oblivious to the impending disaster and their own death!
based on what was quoted.....
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| Feb 10 @ 11:32 AM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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GH - I understand that you only read information from wiki and will NOT accept any other information from ANY other source.
Here is another tip for you regarding wiki. Not only is wiki not accurate, it is not timely!
So have a coffee and read this article. Email one of the fellers here to help you with the comprehension portion of your experience.
There is no need to slander me as I did not write this article and I am pleased that it pisses you off! 
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| Feb 10 @ 11:39 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Iam not pissed off.....
Iam just confused as to how two people can read the same words..and see things totally different..
The democratic nomination is still up in the air...
but this statement is telling...
Donna Brazile, an African American strategist, said last week: "If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party."
I have been there..and did just that many years ago... 
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| Feb 10 @ 12:00 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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"We closed a 20 point gap in the national polls in the last two weeks. The more people are exposed to his message, the better he does."
But he added: "We are up against the Clinton machine. We are the perpetual underdog and will be throughout this process. We're ready to go all the way to the convention."
What don't you understand about this?
He closed a 20 point FREAKIN GAP in two weeks and you cant see the significance of how this will effect the future?
Maybe you can understand this - Billary was considered a done deal last year as the Clinton name has recognition. Do you remember that for 8 years while her philandering husband was President people wondered how she stayed married to the scum bag??
So Billary was like a permanent Oprah Show topic - quite a brand name! People did not know Obama last year. Six months ago the Black community was polling 80% for Billary. That has reversed!
The more people know him - the more they like him. Do you think this statistical trend will stop now? Is there ANY evidence to support that eye dear? 
Well gh - you just stay on that ship while others get on the life boats! Very noble of you!
[Edited on 2/10/2008 1:55 PM]
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| Feb 10 @ 12:16 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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He closed a 20 point FREAKIN GAP in two weeks and you cant see the significance of how this will effect the future?
we've been through this before on other threads.. he didn't close any gap.. the polls were biased and wrong... the smart people didn't answer the polls.. just as now.. the smart people are saying..it isn't over till the convention...
I predict there will be a darkhorse push... driving the democratic party into Kaos... 
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| Feb 10 @ 12:56 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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we've been through this before on other threads.. he didn't close any gap.. the polls were biased and wrong... the smart people didn't answer the polls.. just as now.. the smart people are saying..it isn't over till the convention...
Can we all say in unison
Parallel Reality!
GH - that is the craziest thing I have EVAH seen you post yet!
Now that the football season is over it is good to know that there is an alternative source of Sunday amusement!
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| Feb 10 @ 1:05 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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 football season is over???? how did the Los Angeles Rams do this year???
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| Feb 10 @ 1:21 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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Skydognc
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Since I have nothing ntelligent to say to anyone today...........
I thought I would make a post here.......... in order to remain "on topic"
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| Feb 10 @ 3:48 PM |
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Say_Yes
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I predict there will be a darkhorse push... driving the democratic party into Kaos...
Kaos is running for president as a dem?     
While I would vote for her over any of the clowns currently in the race, It's too bad that she isn't eligible, since she is Canadian. She would almost certainly be an improvement on the current list of choices from the two major parties. Then again, who wouldn't be?
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| Feb 10 @ 4:25 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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another sign of a sinking ship -
Billary's CAmpaign manager Doyle - NO MO!
Will Bills white boy gang takeover the sinking ship?
Clinton campaign manager out
Clinton's campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, left the position today, to be replaced by Clinton's former top White House aide, Maggie Williams. The change formalizes a shift in the campaign's power structure that began to set in after Clinton's win in New Hampshire,
I've obtained a copy of Solis Doyle's e-mail to the campaign's staff, sent about 15 minutes ago:
Over a year ago Hillary launched her campaign for President.
Her announcement began a historic effort that has inspired millions and brought hundreds of thousands to their feet all across this nation.
I have been proud to manage this campaign, and prouder still to call Hillary my friend for more than sixteen years. I know that she will make a great President.
This has already been the longest Presidential campaign in the history of our nation, and one that has required enormous sacrifices from all of us and our families.
During the last month I have been working closely with my longtime friend, Maggie Williams.
This week Maggie will begin to assume the duties of campaign manager. I will serve as a senior adviser to Hillary and the campaign and travel with Hillary from time to time on the road. Maggie is a remarkable person and I am confident that she will do a fabulous job.
Although I will continue to see you all at headquarters, I would be remiss if I didn’t thank each of you for your dedication, excellence, and passion over the last year.
You are the best campaign staff in the history of Presidential politics and I am grateful to each of you for your hard work and friendship.
The move doesn't have obvious consequences for the campaign's competing power centers. It's not the coup from Bill Clinton's advisers, the "white boys," that was rumored weeks ago but never came to pass. Williams, like Solis Doyle, is loyal first and foremost to Hillary, and has been very close to her for many years.
But Williams' influence has already been felt, I'm told, in the more ornate language in Clinton's speeches, and her presence adds a new dimension to the politics of Hillaryland.
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| Feb 10 @ 6:09 PM |
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MusicMonster
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If this is a SINKING SHIP, Let's have more of the same!!
Since shes STILL well ahead with delegates.. Hahhahaaa! 
AND since she will most assuredly win the upcoming District Region.. 
I wonder if old cranky McCain is still in his hotel room, chewing on that bedpost?
-MM
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| Feb 10 @ 6:19 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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AND since she will most assuredly win the upcoming District Region.
MM - are you reading some Chinese Newspaper?
She lost Maine today -
She is well behind (15-20 pts) in the Maryland and Virginia polls - And Obama will run the table with DC
Just where do you get your info from MM?
Very strange that you are so out of touch!
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| Feb 10 @ 6:54 PM |
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Say_Yes
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If this is a SINKING SHIP, Let's have more of the same!!
Since shes STILL well ahead with delegates.. Hahhahaaa!
AND since she will most assuredly win the upcoming District Region..
You might want to look at the numbers again. According to Real Clear Politics, the current delegate count, INCLUDING the super delegates is
Clinton - 1123
Obama - 1120
Now, it could be simply a difference in just what you mean by "well ahead with the delegate". For me, I don't see a lead of 3 delegates, as being significant, at this point. (BTW, as of 6:50 PM, Obama is currently leading in the Maine Caucus today and if he wins there, he will take the outright lead in the delegate count.)
As for the upcoming "district region", I'm not certain, which district it is that you refer to, but assuming that you mean DC. But if you look at the polls, it does not look good for Hillary next week.
VA - Mason Dixon Poll
Obama - 53%
Hillary - 37%
MD - Mason Dixon Poll
Obama - 53%
Hillary - 35%
VA - Rassmussen Poll
Obama - 55%
Hillary - 37%
MD - Rassmussen Poll
Obama - 57%
Hillary - 31%
Source
In other words, her ship does appear to be sinking. That does not mean that it has sunk, by any means, but obviously, her lead is gone.
A quick update, according to USA Today, Obama has won Maine & he now leads in the total delegate count, including the super delegates. (Actually he leads 58% to 41%, with 70% of the precints having reported.)
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| Feb 10 @ 7:01 PM |
Hillary Clinton's advisers 'in a state of panic' - SINKING SHIP!!!
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iam7545
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say yes - fellers like MM don't pay attention to reality - it just gets in the way of their fantasy!
She "reassigned" her campaign manager -
SHe is running out of money
After Tuesday the lifeboats will be scarce!
Sinking Ship!
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| Feb 10 @ 9:25 PM |
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Bj864
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I don't think this is a sinking ship. It is too close a contest to be called that.
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| Feb 10 @ 9:37 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Gee that's odd.. I just felt a blast of Hot Air blow by a bit ago, and the windows aren't even open.
It was strange too! VERY strange!
Say_Yes the last delegate count from CNN as of 1 minute ago shows:
o Clinton - 1148
o Obama - 1121
I'm not seeing any problem with that. Then of course there's Florida and Michigan. But I'm not ready to celebrate just yet..
-MM
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| Feb 10 @ 9:51 PM |
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iam7545
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MM - if them Dems decide to count the voting in FL and Michigan there will be race riots that will top that riots in 68 after MLK was killed and the 1910 riots after the Johnson Jeffries fight!
They will have to have another vote in both states!
Since you are so sure - how about a wager? I will take Obama even up - any amount of money you want to post!
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| Feb 10 @ 11:28 PM |
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willsmalto
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MM - are you reading some Chinese Newspaper?
ouch
CNN is fraud, so is she. btw, just so you know, CNN = Clintons Network News.....totally and comletely unreliable.
according to Obama's camp,after sweeping maine, the pledged delegate count is 1027 - 949 with Obama leading.
according to real politics, Obama still dominates with super-delegates included
Then of course there's Florida and Michigan.
rules are rules but if the worst comes to the worst, pollers in the two states will have to go back to the polls.
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| Feb 11 @ 9:25 AM |
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Say_Yes
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At least one rat has left the ship. Hillary replaced her campaign manager yesterday. When was the last time that a front runner in a campaign replaced their campaign manager. Certainly, this is not a good sign for her that she felt the need to make this change.
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