| Feb 11 @ 12:28 AM |
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SensualGemini
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It's not just Europe, many a person globally loves Obama. who doesn't love a WINNER?
...Uhm, be careful what you ask for; following the herd mentality put Hitler in power.
...I just posted on Illegal Strip Searches of women and kids and of course, he did nothing to slow that down in his own county jail of Chicago.
...For a fact, nothing, absolutely nothing is as it initially appears and Obama has little Congressional track record to rely upon. He is my Senator and as a state Senator, he did nothing, absolutely nothing; including what he claims to have done; he simply voted on, like the rest.
...He talks rhetoric, is charismatic, but his ideals and Congressional voting record show no national loyalty. How many people, domestic or otherwise have actually investigated his background as a politician or otherwise?
...Herd mentality... a scary thought.
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| Feb 11 @ 5:44 AM |
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Blondino
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Inspiration and hope are spreading around the world. I can't tell you how important this is to me with regard to Barack's candidacy. I can't tell you how saddened I've been about our tarnished standing in the world. It's something that I've taken very personally. I am gladdened to see relief in sight.
The 'good will' of the world will go a LONG way toward helping us forge the coalitions needed to execute global policies designed to repair much of the damage that has been done under the Bush administration . I am ready to rejoin the global community, and it would appear that the world is getting ready to welcome us back.
From tv discussions here & general discussions .. it seems Europe support him because they see him as a person who is well traveled, may understand other cultures and people .... end of Xenephobia ...
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| Feb 11 @ 8:20 AM |
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CPUfan
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If Obama doesn't pander to cheap nationalistic rhetoric and platitudes that is just a plus... also from an American standpoint. No comparison with Hitler there...
However, extreme nationalism and xenophobia has everything to do with Hitler. Nazi is short for the German word for nationalism (pronounced Nazionalist). The herd mentality was a result of NATIONALISM, primarily. And also a result of a megalomaniac intoxication with national economic and military power. Anyone else here qualify as a nazionalist, then?
Thank goodness that here in the West we don't round up all the Muslims like Hitler did the Jews... or incarcerate them in Guantanamo bay.  So far there are just "enemy combatants" there.
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| Feb 11 @ 1:08 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...When we are voting for the head of the UN, I will consider someone that is not nationalistic by definition; not some twisted rhetorical BS in reference to a dictatorship that attempts to undermine exactly what our Constitution stands for.
...You seem to forget, the President is the head of the Executive branch and is to execute the laws made by the Legislative branch; not make laws, not make national policy, not God, not master of all, but simply head of the Executive branch.
...We are not talking about xenophobia, but with checks and balances as intended, nationalism by the President is required. Just because Congress is asleep at the wheel, is no indication to give the President more power than he/she is entitled to. Anything Bush did, Congress allowed it to happen.
...In fact, it is that same Congress that voted to strip habeas corpus for terrorist detainees by a 64 to 34 vote; obviously, one did not do their job by voting.
...Of course the world wants Obama, as he is lenient and for everyplace but the US, with his proposed open door policy on Immigration for all, regardless of education, or ability to provide beyond our social systems to support them.
...No, I don't want Obama to pander to nationalism, I want him to eat, sleep, drink and breathe it as our potential President. The checks and balances were put in place to maintain our Constitution that is based on nationalism by including all the states as one nation. 
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| Feb 11 @ 1:31 PM |
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CPUfan
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Nationalism = unbalanced, chauvinistic, emotional response to rational analysis and examination which includes abusive rhetoric against foreigners and makes shallow references to freedom, democracy and the "war on terror" to support these.
Liberal democracy and populistic nationalism are incompatible. Patriotism is something different than appealing to base human instincts and abusing perceived political opponents.
A democratic nation state can be patriotic without going off on the warpath or taking an abusive, rhetorical attitude towards everything outside one's own country.
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| Feb 11 @ 2:37 PM |
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iglooo101
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Sensual,No, I don't want Obama
to pander to nationalism, I want him to eat,
sleep, drink and breathe it as our potential President
Nationalism, a beautiful word, but, what it is its meaning?
Will it advance all of of us? or start another round of violence?
Read more about it Sensual and try to understand by
yourself the true meaning, not by what you hear/d in
meetings.It is easy to destroy but takes generations
to build.
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| Feb 11 @ 3:06 PM |
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SensualGemini
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CPU wrote: Nationalism = unbalanced, chauvinistic, emotional response to rational analysis and examination which includes abusive rhetoric against foreigners and makes shallow references to freedom, democracy and the "war on terror" to support these... etc
...Not that I buy into the far right, you apparently confuse me with being a far left liberal and buying into your BS definitions of nationalism under our Constitution, that has nothing to do with "warpath," other than willing to defend if needed.
Nationalism:
1. national spirit or aspirations.
2. devotion and loyalty to one's own nation; patriotism.
3. excessive patriotism; chauvinism.
4. the desire for national advancement or independence.
5. the policy or doctrine of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
6. an idiom or trait peculiar to a nation.
7. a movement, as in the arts, based upon the folk idioms, history, aspirations, etc., of a nation.
Definition: Nationalism
...Now surely, you are about to jump on the bandwagon of warpath if needed and I will remind you that 533 members of Congress were involved, including the present presidential candidates that voted for this police action and continued to fund same to present day; including Obama and Clinton.
...Once again, Congress was asleep at the wheel and for anyone to continue the path of proclaiming the President is responsible for all, is to also conclude said Presidency is actually a dictatorship without checks and balances by Congress... and has nothing to do with nationalism as prescribed by the founders of this country.
...Of course you can twist anything you like and if enough say it to be so, it becomes politically correct for the mindless thinkers; not necessarily a fact.
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| Feb 11 @ 3:24 PM |
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CPUfan
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I have no issue with your constitution, I think it is one of the greatest documents in human history. I agree that there are checks and balances in the US political system.
Where there is far less balance: in the abusive attitudes of some towards foreigners.
My point about Bush is that he hooks into nationalistic feelings and uses them in the population to get elected and regain support, to get his programme through Congress, and to confuse, warp and distort international issues. He does this to paint a false picture of circumstances in distant countries. He is the one who distorts and warps and you, apparently, are the one who believes "anything."
Americans are dying in Iraq because of their belief in his assurances.
So who, exactly, are you calling "mindless?"
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| Feb 11 @ 3:35 PM |
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iam7545
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While all of the Europeans are slobbering over Obama let us try to keep things in perspective.
Sure he is handsome.
Sure he has that sing song preaching style like Dr King.
Sure he has big ears
As for this eye dear that he is some sort of foreign policy genius I challenge you to tell me where you got that from?
Whenever he is asked about specifics he starts stuttering like Porky Pig and then says smart things that will be used against him like -
He said he would send TROOPS - not drones or special forces - TROOPS - into Pakistan if he had intel as to Bin Ladens whereabouts!
That will go over well in the Muslim world! 
Then he said that he would negotiate with Iran and Amadenijihad!
WTF do you say to him Barak ??
"Hey Mahmoud, were you serious about taking the USA and Israel off the map? Yes or no??" 
Or maybe this one - "If you stop arresting and jailing women for having a latte at Starbucks I will invite you to Camp David for a photo shoot! Promise! "
How can anyone identify the guy with anything other than his looks?
What has he done?
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| Feb 11 @ 3:52 PM |
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theresam77
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He hasn't done much that I have been able to find...sure love the guys patriotism...or the lack thereof. Looks only get you so far. 
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| Feb 11 @ 3:54 PM |
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CPUfan
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What has he done? Nothing yet... he's still innocent until proven guilty !
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| Feb 11 @ 3:56 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Thanks Igloo for the attempts to patronize, but here and as much as I dislike using Wiki, is a link for our Constitution, the oldest living written example of a national Constitution.
United States Constitution
...No, I am not buying into either party's attempt to pick and choose which part they want to endorse or abide by and with that, nationalism to our Constitution and not some other country's ideals, is exactly what I subscribe to.
...World trade, rather than a national compromise to appease the world is a rational thought to maintain independence... that is, unless one subscribes to one ruling power for the world of which the right will sell to and the left will give to by omission.
...Liberalism, while attempting to defy same today, was founded on Christian priniciples and still seemingly aligns itself with said principles, albeit compromising on issues of morality.
...The far right appears to be about the same, but with the pulpit.
...Both are hypocrites by compromise, perpetual lies for votes and subsequently self aligned with corporate America for campaign funds.
...Obama is a proclaimed Christian, as well as a liberal, but is he a hypocrite? His voting record as a state Senator, as well as Congressional proves it to be so and without any sense of nationalism.
...On the other hand, Hillary is a politician and thus, a hypocrite, but by her voting record in the Senate, with some sense of sovereignty that resembles nationalism as defined.
The state or quality of being liberal.
1.) A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
2.) A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
3.) A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.
An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
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| Feb 11 @ 4:04 PM |
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Blondino
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para - I actually like the man! His voice is so clear that it seems impossible for him to ever change his positions. I would much rather respect a man than agree with him!
iam .. was slobbering over him in another thread
and judging by what I read in these threads about Obama Looking strong it would seem lots of Americans are slobbering over him too ...
group slobber required then 
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| Feb 11 @ 4:12 PM |
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CPUfan
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Yes I've studied the Constitution as an outside party, not the original document of course. I would add that Franklin acknowledges the significant part played in the US constitution by the doctrines of John Locke, an English liberal philosopher of the 17th century who did indeed believe in the nation state, but also in the existence of outside liberal trade and in private property.
There has always been an Atlantic Lockean concensus on liberal trade and economic doctrines. That is the contribution of English political science to the US constitution.
In that way however, it is not merely a product of the American nation.
America had to have a national constitution to define a structure above the older colonial structure.
I don't mind being called a bullshit far-left liberal if you insist. The British King probably said the same thing about Ben Franklin...
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| Feb 11 @ 4:15 PM |
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iam7545
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blondino - the slobbering here is from the hatred towards Billary and her philandering husband. When the election season began almost 45% of the people here soid they would NOT VOTE for Billary.
So many Democrats were looking for any excuse not to vote for her. In Obama they found it!
The Clintons stabbed many people and media outlets in the back through the years - now is pay back! MSNBC, the NYT and other media has made him into a cult figue since day one.
It is so apparent it is embarrassing.
I like him. I think he is smart and because he has no political machine or allies he will be able to do nothing if elected.
I also do not think he can win in the general election.
In the HISTORY of the USA there have been 2 Black Governors - both were elected in recent years.
Senator Obama is the third Black Senator in the USA since 1900! He and Senator Brooke were 1/2 Black.
If our Country has so much difficulty electing a Black to a Statewide Position - the idea that we will elect a Black President is a BIG longshot. Very big longshot!
McCain in 2008! 
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| Feb 11 @ 4:17 PM |
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SensualGemini
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CPU wrote: Americans are dying in Iraq because of their belief in his assurances. So who, exactly, are you calling "mindless?"
...Mindless was once again cleaning up Britain's BS for selling WMD's to Iraq at Fallujah ll, through your "Iran Contra" with Blair and Thatcher.
...Not only did Blair and Thatcher launder funding, but they built and stocked the chemical plant clear up until at least 1998, with biological antidotes to be reverse engineered in mobile labs.
...Fallujah ll, was exactly where the Royal military went after the invasion of Iraq, emptied same and now have pulled out of Iraq, leaving the US to clean up yet another mess.
...Mindless, was Congress buying into this BS and further endorsing Bush, who is a military idiot.
...Yes, I realize the initial reason of why Americans are dying in Iraq. And your point is? At this time, Britain once again tucked tail and ran home, so really none of their or your concern.
Blondino wrote: and judging by what I read in these threads about Obama Looking strong it would seem lots of Americans are slobbering over him too ...
...Not everyone....
...American politics are not as cut and dry as the world ooften perceives. Obama can win by majority party delegate vote, but not win the candidacy for his party. The Super Delegates will decide this one and as it stands now, it appears that Obama may accept the position of vice president candidate under Hillary to not divide the party that will allow the Republicans to win in November.
...Push come to shove, Hillary is more conservative than Obama ever will be and unlikely he will win the presidency come November on his merits. The gloves have yet to come off for the final run.
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| Feb 11 @ 4:23 PM |
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Blondino
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SG
Not everyone....
try reading it again
it would seem lots of Americans are slobbering over him too ...
lots ..  so you saying that is not the case ?
[Edited on 2/11/2008 4:26 PM]
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| Feb 11 @ 4:25 PM |
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lj450
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Not this one. 
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| Feb 11 @ 4:30 PM |
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CPUfan
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Here's the link on John Locke. It's a paper but it says pretty much the same as wicky.Locke and US Constitution
Hmmm turned tail and ran from Iraq... the Southern part of Iraq was stable and could be handed over. No Hadithas there...
HADITHA
It's true that all the Western countries supported Iraq's war against Iran, perceived at that time as the main US enemy.
Why is Iraq part of Britain's concern? Because British Military Intelligence provided the CIA with their initial falsified intelligence about WMDs.
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| Feb 11 @ 4:33 PM |
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Blondino
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 LJ ...... hello
blondino - the slobbering here is from the hatred towards Billary and her philandering husband. When the election season began almost 45% of the people here soid they would NOT VOTE for Billary.
slobbering is slobbering and I saw you slobbered
If our Country has so much difficulty electing a Black to a Statewide Position - the idea that we will elect a Black President is a BIG longshot. Very big longshot!
Obama here is perceived as the opposite of GW Bush ... he is everything Europeans hate .....
Me ... not that bothered but a little eye candy never goes unnoticed lets just say .... now the ears comments is just jealousy 
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