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Angel54214
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By PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has charged six detainees at Guantanamo Bay with murder and war crimes in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks. Officials said Monday they'll seek the death penalty in what would be the first capital trials under the terrorism-era military tribunal system.
These charges allege a long term, highly sophisticated, organized plan by al-Qaida to attack the United States of America," Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann, the legal adviser to the tribunal system, told reporters. He said a total of 169 charges were sworn against suspects "alleged to be responsible for the planning and execution of the attacks" in 2001 that killed nearly 3,000 people.
Hartmann said the six include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the attacks in which hijackers flew planes into buildings in New York and Washington. Another hijacked plane crashed in the fields of western Pennsylvania.
The military wants the six tried together before a military tribunal. But the cases may be clouded because of recent revelations that Mohammed was subject to a harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding — which critics call torture.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080211/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_sept_11_trial
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| Feb 11 @ 9:23 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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We "torture" people here....unbelievable!~ Georgie knows that is a flat out and out lie...
and I quote....""We don't torture people in America and people who say we do simply know nothing about our country". George W. Bush [Interview with Australian TV - October 18, 2003]......!!!!
Now, I ask you did he lie or what?
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| Feb 11 @ 9:45 PM |
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Angel54214
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Luckie...
ok seriously now. These detainees were at Guantanamo Bay, not here in USA. But when I think about your post, I wonder if we are damned because the towers were in thier way. 
Hey, maybe GW and his apple dumpling gang are the critics huh?
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| Feb 11 @ 9:53 PM |
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iam7545
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Angel - the UK is deporting another terrorist that will also be charged. Abu Hamza - Captain Hook -
LONDON - Britain’s Home Office on Thursday approved the extradition of an Islamic preacher who is accused of trying to establish a terrorist training camp in Oregon, a spokesman said.
Abu Hamza al-Masri once led London’s Finsbury Park Mosque, which was attended by both Sept. 11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui and “shoe bomber” Richard Reid. One top British counterterrorism official described the mosque as a “honeypot for extremists.”
The Egyptian-born al-Masri was arrested on a U.S. extradition warrant in 2004, but the process was put on hold while he stood trial in Britain and appealed his convictions.
“The Home Secretary today has signed an order approving the extradition,” a Home Office spokesman said, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department policy.
As you see some here would rather see them released to murder again.
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| Feb 11 @ 10:07 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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As you see some here would rather see them released to murder again.
An alternative analysis would reason that there are people here who would like to see us act like civilized human beings, and not stoop to the level of our barbaric adversaries.
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| Feb 11 @ 10:19 PM |
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Jankia
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If they were indeed tortured then they should be set free.
Inform all the good folk of New York City that they will be dropped off,unarmed and unguarded at 183rd street in the Bronx.
Then call the bookies in Las Vegas.
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| Feb 11 @ 10:23 PM |
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Angel54214
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I found this very interesting piece on Hamza. I didn't know the terrorist training camp was in Oregon which was called the Sakina Security Services.
http://www.abuhamza.org.uk/
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| Feb 11 @ 10:26 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jankia:
What if they were tortured, but were innocent? Under the influence of torture, a person will say anything to make it stop. Hence, the lack of value for torture, at least among civilized nations: when you can't trust what a torture victim can say, how useful is the "intelligence" gained?
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| Feb 11 @ 10:30 PM |
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iam7545
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well -
the bastids all have their heads on
And their arms and legs
They are living in cells that are cleaner than most homes in the USA
They are receiving medical care - FREE - unlike most in the world
They have prayer mats and are allowed a Koran and prayer time
The are fed Halal food - the preparation is supervised by religious Muslims
There is a Muslim spiritual person on site to minister to them.
Pretty freakin bad!
Why dont you ask the Americans that were hung from a bridge in Iraq how they were treated
Why dont you go find Daniel Pearls HEAD and ask his FREAKIN head how he was treated before they beheaded him.
BTW - the bastid that chopped his head off is one that will be on trial - I am sure that pisses you off to no end!
Here is the video of his beheading!!
See Sw _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __ _ Y - rather than feed him kosher food, give him a Torah to read - they chopped his freakin head off - video taped it and paraded around with his detached head!
ENJOY!
Yeah - just like how the USA treats prisoners! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslim Treatment of USA Prisoners
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| Feb 11 @ 10:34 PM |
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Jankia
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Maybe Para would know the answer to this but couldnt a person be tried for proven crimes that werent proven by using torture,even though torture was used for something else?
I ask this because I'm sure they allready had enough proof of there connections to 9/11 before arresting them but then if indeed torture was used.it was used to garner anything they could about other terrrorists or further terrorist plots against America.
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| Feb 11 @ 10:35 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Ah, yes, three square meals a day, with a heaping side order of torture. How ever can they thank us enough for making their lives complete?
Why the constant attempts to reduce our standards? Our standards of decency were good enough through several World Wars, why reduce it for a bunch of terrorists?
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| Feb 11 @ 10:37 PM |
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iam7545
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Sw _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Y - that is a freakin lie - you know it. There are Red Cross at Gitmo 24/7 -
What torture? Evidence?
How has it been reduced?
WHat trash!
You must really hate America - Unreal!
Scary that they let fellers like you vote!
Did you watch the video?
I am sure you enjoy seeing an American Jews beheaded!
Enjoy!
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| Feb 11 @ 10:46 PM |
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Jankia
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napa- Why the constant attempts to reduce our standards? Our standards of decency were good enough through several World Wars, why reduce it for a bunch of terrorists?
Change.Nobody lived under the threat of a smart nuclear bomb,few even heard of biological and chemical warfare.How many suicide bombers boarded commercial airlines before Sept 11th?
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| Feb 11 @ 10:50 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Iam, your constant attempts to pick fights simply displays the true depth of your immaturity. I'm arguing that the United States should hold itself to an absolute standard, not a relative standard in comparison to some of the most brutal people on the planet.
The Bush administration has condoned torture for years. Whether it happens at Gitmo, or among prisoners delivered to third-party proxies, or in prisons in Iraq, it doesn't matter. The prisoners were in our hands, and we cannot "wash our hands" of their fates.
Aside from the "common decency" aspect of opposing torture, there is the realpolitik reason to oppose torture: a torture victim will say anything, anything at all, to get the torture to stop. They will say whatever their questioner wants them to say, whether that is the truth or not. A lot of intelligence-gathering time can be spent chasing down false leads.
I simply hold the United States to a higher standard than you do.
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| Feb 11 @ 10:55 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Change.Nobody lived under the threat of a smart nuclear bomb,few even heard of biological and chemical warfare.How many suicide bombers boarded commercial airlines before Sept 11th?
Irrelevant. Morality is absolute, not relative. During the depths of WW2, when the fate of the free world was in doubt, when the Axis achieved victory after victory, we still treated the enemy prisoners with more decency than has been advocated repeatedly in these forums and in various blogs.
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| Feb 11 @ 11:14 PM |
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Jankia
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Truth isnt irrelevant napa.This wasnt about whats advocated repeatedly in these forums and in various blogs about treatment of prisoners.Thats irrelevant because its only talk.
This is about our having to change to match the change of the world.I'm certainly all for morality but I'm also all for survival against crimes causing massive deaths.Crime hasnt a code of conduct.
Catch22
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| Feb 11 @ 11:32 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Truth isn't irrelevant, but propaganda is. We are in much less danger today than we were two generations ago, or even one generation ago. All the fear-mongering is simply an attempt to justify the debasing of our country to the level of our adversaries.
We're more-or-less civilized people. We should act like it.
The 9/11 conspirators should be given all due process and all due protection. We should show the world the incorruptability of our character.
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| Feb 11 @ 11:42 PM |
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Jankia
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We are still alive.You can tell the families of thousands killed on 9/11 that it was only "propoganda" that killed them,not the terrorists we couldnt stop because we did little to prevent it.
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| Feb 11 @ 11:51 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Please refrain from twisting my words. My statements were in regards to "they're going to fly a nuke into a city." Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. That's no reason to degrade this country by taking the first step towards emulating the tactics of the terrorists.
I hold this country to high standards. It's a pity that so many people have such flexible morality, abandoned at the first sign of danger.
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| Feb 12 @ 12:29 AM |
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Kenn159
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I honestly don't think that Bush and Cheney can do anything that is not political and without ulterior motives.
We have seen them lie way to many times for them to believed with any level of credibility.
I supect after 4 years of detainees in these prisons and some have finally after these years been released with no charges,because there was no eveidence, and all the negative press that has followed, they had to make it look like the captures were legitimate.
I would not trust anything they said.
[Edited on 2/12/2008 1:04 AM]
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