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Angel54214
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Para, the military justice system provides execution by lethal injection in death sentence convictions.
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| Feb 12 @ 9:14 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Put ‘em up against a wall, and shoot ‘em.
NO WAIT!
Tie ‘em to the next Space Shuttle launch. 
Give ‘em a birds eye view of this country they love!
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| Feb 12 @ 9:23 PM |
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Angel54214
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Diamond, that would have to be approved by the President of the United States.
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| Feb 12 @ 10:45 PM |
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blueyes101
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Make them walk the plank into a huge vat of pork rinds......  Then watch as kill themselves.
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| Feb 12 @ 11:02 PM |
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blueyes101
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Hey duckie I have a question.
If we are not at war with Iraq, we are not at war with Iraqi citizens, just who in the hell is shooting at our troops? Or is that a lie too?
Who is strapping the bombs to themselves and blowing up not only our soldiers, but innocent men/women and children?
Somebody is at war with us....... somebody wants all of us infidels to die. Or is that a lie too?
I find it interesting for the past 7 years many of you have kept track of the total number of dead soldiers. How many actually died from Iraqi soldiers?
If it is all a lie, and we pull out tomorrow, what exactly do you expect to happen. Even your Presidential candidates have stopped calling for the withdraw of the troops, why is that?
I see your hatred of the current President has twisted your mind to believe what you want... But that will never change the facts. There are people in the world who want as many of us to die as possible, and regardless of who is president, that fact will remain.
And one more thing....... Bush is not running for office.... So shall we start the clock to see how long you wish to blame him for all you see wrong with the world?
I hate to break it to you, religious wars in that region of the world have been going on for thousands of years, not because Bush was elected.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:05 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Everything we went into Iraq over has proved to be a "LIE"! WMD's, Al Queda and Saddam and a whole host of other lies told to scare the American people into attacking Iraq!
Precision thinkers pay no attention to rants like Lucky's. He is promoting an alternative reality where it is IMPORTANT for him, and others like him, to MAKE AMERICA WRONG AT ALL COSTS.
Did Iraq have WMD's? Most certainly. Saddam killed all those Kurds with chemical WMD's and we have "Chemical Ali" in custody for crimes against humanity. The United Nations asked America's help in taking Iraqi WMD's that had been recovered and sent to the UN Headquarters OUT of the UN Building, so these are the NO WMD's that the Big Lie people say never existed. A Saddam Hussein Intelligence general has confirmed that Saddam's nuclear WMD materials and documents were transferred, with the help of the Russians, to Syria just prior to the American invasion of Iraq. If you want further proof about this, Google how Israel air strikes flattened a Syrian nuclear research site.
Plus all of the anti-war Copperhead Democrats are ignoring how Iraq was a state that sponsored terrorism for years, including the terrorists with the Iraqi Diplomatic Passports who hijacked the Italian luxury liner Achille Lauro where a US citizen was taken to the fantail of the ship, shot and killed, and his wheelchair thrown into the Medeterranean Sea.
It was the longstanding bipartisan public policy of the USA to "take out" Saddam Hussein at first opportunity. When the UN Security Council authorized its member states to compel Iraq to comply with the 17 UN Security Council Resolutions condemning Iraq, that opportunity presented itself.
Getting rid of Saddam was a meritorious public service and the only thing we did wrong was not "surge" with more military force from the beginning.
The leftists are obsessed with a prematural withdrawal from Iraq and a NEED to vilify George W. Bush, even it it takes capitulating an undefeated army to the enemy, giving the terrorists a propaganda victory that will be the causation of hundreds of thousands of new suicide bombers being recruited.
So pay NO ATTENTION to the extremists, they refuse to admit reality, avoid the truth at all costs, and have a bile in their spleen to vent their hatred against the United States of America, the President, and our military are their targets of opportunity.
Abraham Lincoln also had antiwar Copperhead Democrats in the Congress and among the population to contend with. Eventually President Lincoln had their leaders arrested and put on trial before a military commission where they were convicted. President Lincoln called the antiwar Copperhead Democrats "a danger to the Republic." They still are.
For instance, recently some antiwar Copperheads in concert with a breakaway group from the hard core Communist revolutionaries staged a protest against a US Marine Recruiting Office in Berkeley, California, notwithstanding that it is a federal criminal offense to interfere with the activities of a US Military Recruiting Office. The hardcore Communists use the "useful idiots" of the extremist left, which include the antiwar Copperhead Democrats, much like a Movie Director utilizes "extras" as warm bodies that create an impression during a movie.
But we do see the big picture and we do know the reality of the causation for war in Iraq and how Saddam's Iraq was stonewalling and obstructing the UN Weapons Inspectors under the direction of UN Ambassador Butler and how Iraq was firing at American jets overflying Iraq's northern and southern "NO FLY ZONES" and doing so many provocative acts that an invasion of Iraq was fully justified.
No brace yourself for the leftist "screech" that is bound to follow every time I tell the truth on them, which they hate.
[Edited on 2/13/2008 1:12 AM]
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| Feb 13 @ 1:11 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Ah, another classic rant from Para. Ain't it grand?
He is promoting an alternative reality
Irony at its best... 
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| Feb 13 @ 1:16 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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SweetNapaGuy reports in with his next puffery of alternative reality. What I posted you can verify with Google.
Pay no attention to the leftist propaganda arm of the HATE AMERICA FIRST groupies. They have no credibility but are interesting to watch for their vehemance against American foreign policy and their desire to blame GWB for the invasion of Iraq, while failing to look at the UN Security Council or the Congress of the United States, both of which authorized the use of military force in Iraq.
FYI, hanging tyrants and dictators is a very good thing to do. I want more.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:26 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And Para again shows his complete lack of understanding of subject after subject after subject after..., believing that simplistic explanations are correct, refusing to believe that a complex problem may require a complex solution. Simple solutions are easy to understand, but most often result in predictable consequences.
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| Feb 13 @ 1:41 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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You two birds remind me of the movie "The Westerner" wherein Judge Roy Bean is "THE" Law West Of The Pacos!
You see you are not alone in wanting Saddam's Neck Stretched...I did too! I would also like Chavez stretched out on a table! But, with me versus you two birds there is a distinct difference in the way to go about doing the "neck stretching"!
Where you guys would say "He is no good....hang'em"
Where I want provacation, evidence, proof, the goods or "beyond a shadow of a doubt stuff"! To show the world I am right and I can "prove" it with the evidence. Then present the evidence.
So far not enough evidence exists, even though we have invaded and occupied the country, to attack Saddam! Yet, you people say this is okay and justified!
You can be very thankful I am not the presiding judge in a case covering this illegal invasion and "War Crime"!
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| Feb 13 @ 4:54 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Lefty wrote:George Bush and his whole Administration is nothing but a bunch of liars and treasonous liars to boot! Everything we went into Iraq over has proved to be a "LIE"! WMD's, Al Queda and Saddam and a whole host of other lies told to scare the American people into attacking Iraq! Yet, the planes that did all the work were flown by Saudi Arabians "NOT IRAQIS"! Did we attack Saudi Arabia?
...No Lefty, maybe just a partial lie... I know you have been reading other threads and without a doubt, Saddam had biological weapons and had used them prior. Do you consider these as WMD's? ... the rest of the world does.
...I can tell that you do not have a friggen clue where our intelligence comes from, or how it is derived.
...But and this is as repetitious as your constant nonsensical postings of blaming the Bush administration for everything, is that 533 members of Congress voted for this police action in Iraq and continue to support same as each subsequent appropriations are voted on.
...Bush is not God, not a Dictator, but head of the Executive branch that Congress is suppose to have over sight of.
Another viewpoint and not to just Lefty....
...This has been beat to death in prior threads, but Muslims sects have been fighting in the Middle East for hundreds, if not thousands of years. You cannot imagine their conviction to their religion, because you do not have same to much of anything in your life.
...With that, it takes one mean bastard to control the three variants of Iraq and the truth be known, they had him in Saddam; the man the US helped put into power. Countless attempts on his life and he survived them all, while it took the full US military might months in a siht hole the size of Illinois to find him with $millions offered in ransom.
...I am positive we did not do the right thing by occupancy, but we are there, we turned the country upside down with the concept of installing a Democracy and to leave now, will leave a vacuum for Iran and even Syria to fill... and they will and we will have to go back and finish the job we started.
...Yea, I know it sucks, but putting our head in the sand does not make the reality go away.
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| Feb 13 @ 4:58 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Blue wrote:Make them walk the plank into a huge vat of pork rinds......
...Russia wrapped them in pig skins before they buried the terrorists from the theatre deal. Sure puts a stop on martyrdom and X quantity of virgins waiting in heaven.
...Come to think of it, there has not been any further terrorist BS there either.
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| Feb 13 @ 5:19 AM |
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Blondino
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I just found this on truth drugs .... I dont agree with" administering it is abuse ... "
The truth is not guaranteed.... but used in conjunction with other forms of interrogation ?
Narcoanalysis is not used in the United States as an interrogation method. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other federal law enforcement agencies object to the use of truth drugs, preferring instead to use psychological methods to extract information from suspects or prisoners. The United Nations considers the use of truth drugs to be physical abuse and, therefore, a form of torture. The issue was revisited in 2002, when some authorities, including former Central Intelligence Agency and FBI chief William Webster, frustrated by the lack of forthcoming information from suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban members held at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, advocated administering narcoanalysis drugs to uncooperative captives. United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld asserted that narcoanalysis is not used by United States military and intelligence personnel, but suggested that other countries have made use of the technique in the interrogation of suspected terrorists.
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| Feb 13 @ 5:36 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Blondino, I gave you my best shot for this on page 2... It is not the FBI that carries out interrogation in other parts of the world.
In contrast, the UN has little to no authority in most places, just as they have no control of Shari or modified versions in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and even Saudi Arabia.
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| Feb 13 @ 5:48 AM |
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Blondino
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Blondino, I gave you my best shot for this on page 2... It is not the FBI that carries out interrogation in other parts of the world.
well leave it for someone else to give their best shot then  the question is not aimed at one person in particular and thanks for your answers .... they are opinions & others are invited to give their too.
You said they are not reliable but then what is reliable ?
Shoot the terrorists ... if and when they are found guilty by trial
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| Feb 13 @ 5:55 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Blondino wrote:You said they are not reliable but then what is reliable ?
From Page 2:
Today, but from the Vietnam era, a part of the Phoenix program has provided the best results and involves almost all psychological practices. After about 40 or 45 days, most everyone breaks with no further mental resistance.
Shoot the terrorists ... if and when they are found guilty by trial
...With a military trial, I am not certain they can be found anything other than guilty. 
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| Feb 13 @ 6:36 AM |
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Blondino
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EIGHT LESSONS OF TORTURE
http://www.cvt.org/main.php/Advocacy/TheCampaigntoStopTorture/WhatCVTknowsaboutTorture
What happens if people are tortured .. damaged and injured and found to be not guilty ???
Please post links to back your statements on page 2 so I can read & learn more....
Actually, there is no torture going on today at Guantanamo Bay. The Red Cross, Muslim Imams, cooks, etc. are there and have been there for some time. There is a tremendous amount of questioning, everything is tapped and recorded, etc., but no torture.
Red Cross Monitors Barred From Guantánamo
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/washington/16gitmo.html
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| Feb 13 @ 7:09 AM |
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MotownManiax
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As far as I know, waterboarding has been used sparingly (three is the count I always read) and only on high profile, intelligence critical, time sensitive (meaning the information gleaned was evidently used to avoid terrorist attacks that were scheduled at the time) targets.
It has not been used indiscriminately nor cavalierly; its use needed the approval in the highest level of the Bush administration.
To anyone that even hints at attempting to compare this to Nazi and Japanese WW2 atrocities (or what our captured troops were subjected to in the Korean and Vietnam wars, to name just two conflicts over the past 60 years) is simply delusional and has a mindset that's clearly biased against the US government. This isn't some knee-jerk, patriotic rah-rah reaction on my part, just plain common sense based on behavior.
Now, I've already noted that any confession from waterboarding does not appear to be admissible in court, so the question of its "legal" (as opposed to intelligence) validity is moot. The government will have to rely on other means and evidence to prove their case, which I would think is substantial or they would have never pushed to have the suspects brought to trial.
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| Feb 13 @ 7:29 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Blondino wrote:What happens if people are tortured .. damaged and injured and found to be not guilty ??? ...They find their bodies without heads in the Euphrates, or hanging on fire from some bridge?
...Or, you were talking about detainees by the Americans? Sort of like a job interview of succession and by the time you get to the last interview, you are guilty of something and they will find out what it is. Very few, if none are not guilty of something if they are to be interrogated elsewhere.
...Many released from Guantanamo are picked up again after rejoining the Taliban or Al Qaeda.
Released Detainees Rejoining The Fight
Guantanamo Bay Detainees
...These released prisoners have written a book and it does not sound like they were tortured per say; while they spat on the guards.
Journalists Release Guantanamo Bay Report
Please post links to back your statements on page 2 so I can read & learn more....
...I will have to see if I can find you some links this evening; not everything is on the Internet.
Red Cross Monitors Barred From Guantánamo ...If you read your link on the Red Cross at Guantanamo, they were allowed back in; I believe in late 2004 or early 2005 for full access. The Red Cross members are not Americans, or at least they weren't and very hesitant by the US to allow them to be there, but they are.
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| Feb 13 @ 8:41 AM |
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iam7545
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Here is a report on how the Muslim terrorists were tortured at Gitmo. To all of the know nothing terrorist sympathizers here that would rather see thousands of innocent people killed than a couple of Muslim Terrorists - the next time these AlQaeda types decide to use a strap on - (bomb not dildo) on a woman with Downs syndrome and detonate them using a remote device - let it be in the food store in your town.
The fact that this article appeared in an Aussie paper and not in any of the liberal Muslim terrorist loving papers in the USA is curious -
I guess this new freakin torture method will be called "Starbucking." I can hear the ACLU NOW 
>>>>>>>>>> Gitmo Prisoners "Starbucked" <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
9/11 mastermind coerced with Starbucks treats
UNLIMITED food and frappuccinos replaced waterboarding and sleep deprivation in order to build a case against the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.
FBI and military investigators gave Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and five other men, who have been charged with murder, food whenever they were hungry and Starbucks coffee as part of their interrogations as part of “rapport-building” methods, the Washington Post has reported.
Officials told the newspaper that investigators used friendly methods – including letting the men decide when interviews would start – in the hope of the prisoners confirming information they had already given to CIA officials through “coercive methods”.
US law prohibits the admission of any evidence obtained through torture, which includes waterboarding - a controversial interrogation method used by the CIA to simulate the experience of drowning.
"The (investigators) went in and said that they'd love to talk to them, that they knew what the men had been through, and that none of that stuff was going to be done to them," one official told the Washington Post.
“It was made very clear to them that they were in a very different environment, that they were not with the CIA anymore.
“There was an extensive period of making sure they understood it had to be voluntary on their part.”
According to the newspaper, the FBI and the military wanted to distance themselves from any CIA interrogation methods and treated the men as near-equals.
Experts were not sure if the men would have given the same information to prosecutors if they had not been interrogated by the CIA first.
The six men will face murder and conspiracy charges stemming from the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre.
para - FYI - here is what Sw_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Y said about WMD's is a recent blog post -
I still say what WMD there were left, were moved to Syria in the early days of the invasion...
>>>>>>>>>>> From the Flip Flop Guy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Isn't it fun to debate men of such high integrity?
[Edited on 2/13/2008 8:59 AM]
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