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MusicMonster
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Well, he did vote for what he apparently believes in now, only that's not where he stood a short while ago.
Then, he was using terms like reprehensible, despicable, and the like, for the concept of torture and violation of war-time rules such as the Geneva Convention. He couldn't have been more against it. But something political seems to have changed his mind. And that happens a lot with McCain.
He is now for keeping the Bush Tax Cuts for the very rich, where a few months back he insisted that be repealed and he voted against it in the beginning..
To say he's been flip-flopping on major issues would be a dramatic understatement. He doesn't seem to know for sure what he believes in.
He says he expects to be in Iraq for the next 100 years. And of course that's just ludicrous and completely unacceptable. But that's what he says now. What will he be saying next week?
He's very in favor of Illegal Aliens and Amnesty and even proposes legistlation to favor them.. But is that too, subject to change on a dime? Who knows? I wish it would, but if it did, could he be trusted to stick with that mindset? I don't think so.
-MM 
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| Feb 18 @ 12:54 PM |
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MusicMonster
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The CarpetBagger Report
Updating McCain's Flip-Flop List
January 30, 2007
It’s time to update the big list. We are now up to a whopping 17 John McCain Flip-Flops.
* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he now opposes the measure.
* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)
* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.
* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.
* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.
* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.
* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it. [corrected]
* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
* McCain is now both open and closed to redeployment in Iraq.
* And McCain claims to have “bitterly disagreed” with a “failed strategy” in Iraq for more than three years, despite having argued the need to “stay the course” just one year ago.
Don’t you just love John McCain’s “straight talk”?
McCain Flip-Flop List
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We can now add to this list reversing himself on torture and support for the Geneva Convention.
-MM 
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| Feb 18 @ 7:18 PM |
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Bj864
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You made the point very well.
He used to be known as a straight talking down to earth man. Now he is known as a kisser upper to Bush and and flip flopping all over the place. I think he has sold his soul to become president.
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| Feb 18 @ 8:23 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Thanks BJ..
There was a time I believe, yes.. But he's quite a changed person now. And you're right. He's a Bush lapdog, and seemingly would sell his grandmother just to get elected.
The fact that he's affiliated himself with all those professional Smear-Jockies that Bush had on his payroll, is very clear evidence of that. And you can bet, whoever he's up against in the General will be drowning in fabricated scandal too. Unless the public disclosure of those sordid affiliations by major News Media will make him afraid to use them. Let's hope so!
-MM
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| Feb 18 @ 8:26 PM |
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iam7545
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The fact that he's affiliated himself with all those professional Smear-Jockies that Bush had on his payroll
MM - what are you referring to here? The right wing talk show gang is opposing McCain.
Did your radio die on you there MM?
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| Feb 18 @ 8:34 PM |
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kjac
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McCain approves of torture, he voted for it. Anything he says to the contrary is pure blather. That's the beauty of the voting record. It shows where a candidate really stands on something.
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| Feb 18 @ 8:45 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Kjac he voted for it recently, for political approval and to cozy up to the right, who were raising eyebrows at him.
But prior to that, some months back, he said torture was reprehensible and despicable, and no way would he support it..
So one has to guess. Which way will he feel next month? 
-MM
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| Feb 18 @ 8:54 PM |
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kjac
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Blind, empty rhetoric doesn't compare to his actual vote. He voted for it, therefore he supports it.
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| Feb 18 @ 9:45 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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There is no doubt, now! McCain is a walking clusterf***! You will never know from one minute to the next where he stands on any issue! And far more worse than that he will change his stance quicker that George Bush can read "My Pet Goat" upsidedown! 
Here is a link to that word I censored but, it will not be that way if you click the link. Instead it will take you to the meaning of that word at the Urban Dictionary!
If you are easily offended please, don't click on the link. As, it is not my intention to offend anyone! 
urban dictionary
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| Feb 18 @ 10:40 PM |
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Jankia
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We arent in a typical war that has boundaries that enable us to prevent or limit casualties to innocents.This is a war that protects innocents in our country from casualties similar to what happened on 9/11 and to protect innocents from there own country these battles are in.
Humane War-Time policies were made for typical wars,this one isnt typical.
If youd like to skip torture all together against people that have proven to have no respect for life,fine...elect a president that wont change his mind about matters that change daily.
The next thing that will come up is should these militants face capital punishment when proven guilty?
Nope,give them a life sentence and let them roam around a SuperMax prison a day...maybe two.
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| Feb 18 @ 11:09 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Well, I have this to say about that....taking prisoners and trying them!
Reminds me of a story I heard about the Marines on Guadalcanal. They were told to capture a few prisoners....then to make sure it sunk in they were "ordered" to take prisoners! Prior to this time "no prisoners" had been taken. That night they caught some Japanese and satisfied that Colonel! From then on there were no more prisoners captured!
In war there is no quarter given! It is you and your buddies and nobody else! You have a link with people you have shared life and death with like nothing else in the world!
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| Feb 19 @ 1:07 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Lefty concludes:
There is no doubt, now! McCain is a walking clusterf***! You will never know from one minute to the next where he stands on any issue! And far more worse than that he will change his stance quicker that George Bush can read "My Pet Goat" upsidedown!
Lefty I might have put it in slightly different terms,  but you've got it!! Very unpredictable thought processes. And clearly subject to turn on a dime at any moment, depending on which way the wind happens to blow.
Jankia, trying to follow your reasoning there. But I think you are saying, in this era, and with this type of war, that it's good to have a president who will frequently alter his convictions to fit the changing scenario. Including things like sponsoring torture and the like, or opposing it, depending. True?
While I can't disagree with that 'altogether', at least in a few cases, to me when somebody has that many absolute flip-flops, and several of them even opposing his own proposed legislation, that's pretty scary! Remember 2004 when a major criticism of Kerry was that he flip-flopped on a couple of things, which seemed to many to be legitimate flexibility, but he was heavily criticized for being inconsistent. However it wasn't anywhere near the indecisiveness that McCain has shown us. Right? Yet that was part of Kerry's downfall.
Do you find McCain to be sufficiently stable to be running the most powerful country in the world, from your point of view? And without yielding to partisan influences? And would you be comfortable placing your life in his hands?
-MM
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