| Feb 15 @ 1:36 PM |
Who is Obama really representing? The working class or the Rich?
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Bj864
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I found this to be a VERY interesting article. The last paragragh says what I firmly believe to be true.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/feb2008/obam-f14.shtml
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| Feb 15 @ 2:04 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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but the messeger is suspect here...( not meaning you BJ....)
from the site...
The World Socialist Web Site
and the international working class
The financial crisis that began in Asia and is enveloping the entire world economy poses sharply the need for the international unification of working people. Transnational production and global financial markets have changed the face of capitalism forever. In the past two decades the limited social safety nets in the advanced countries have been torn up, while workers have suffered wave after wave of layoffs and an erosion in their real income.
,,,,The World Socialist Web Site, published by the coordinated efforts of ICFI members in Asia, Australia, Europe and North America, takes as its starting point the international character of the class struggle. It assesses political developments in every country from the standpoint of the world crisis of capitalism and the political tasks confronting the international working class. Flowing from this perspective, it resolutely opposes all forms of chauvinism and national parochialism.
We are confident that the WSWS will become an unprecedented tool for the political education and unification of the working class on an international scale.
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| Feb 16 @ 8:08 PM |
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Bj864
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I disagree.
I think it is an excellent site to see who is representing the working class and the poor.
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| Feb 16 @ 8:32 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Obama is representing Obama...Period.
...He has sat on the fence with any vote that may put his person in question; starting with his "present" votes in the Illinois Senate... and continuation of support for a war (voted for 4 appropriations) even though he won the Illinois Senate by being anti-war.
...After the quote for the Illinois Senate, is a link for a lot of Obama's history by people that knew and know him personally.
Illinois Senate... For example, in 1997, Obama voted "present" on two bills (HB 382 and SB 230) that would have prohibited a procedure often referred to as partial birth abortion. He also voted "present" on SB 71, which lowered the first offense of carrying a concealed weapon from a felony to a misdemeanor and raised the penalty of subsequent offenses. In 1999, Obama voted "present" on SB 759, a bill that required mandatory adult prosecution for firing a gun on or near school grounds. The bill passed the state Senate 52-1. Also in 1999, Obama voted "present" on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed. He was the only member to not support the bill. In 2001, Obama voted "present" on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted "present" on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the "Audacity of Hope," on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the "born alive" bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade. But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote "present" on the bills instead of "no." And finally in 2001, Obama voted "present" on SB 609, a bill prohibiting strip clubs and other adult establishments from being within 1,000 feet of schools, churches, and daycares. If Obama had taken a position for or against these bills, he would have pleased some constituents and alienated others. Instead, the Illinois legislator-turned-U.S. senator and, now, Democratic presidential hopeful essentially took a pass. Some of these bills may have been "bad." They may have included poison pills or been poorly written, making it impossible for Obama to support them. They may have even been unconstitutional. When I asked the Obama campaign about those votes, they explained that in some cases, the Senator was uncomfortable with only certain parts of the bill, while in other cases, the bills were attempts by Republicans simply to score points. But even if that were the case, it doesn't explain his votes. The state legislator had an easy solution if the bills were unacceptable to him: he could have voted against them and explained his reasoning. Because it takes affirmative votes to pass legislation in the Illinois Senate, a "present" vote is tantamount to a "no" vote. A "present" vote is generally used to provide political cover for legislators who don't want to be on the record against a bill that they oppose. Of course, Obama isn't the first or only Illinois state senator to vote "present," but he is the only one running for President of the United States. While these votes occurred while Obama and the Democrats were in the minority in the Illinois Senate, in the "Audacity of Hope" (page 130), Obama explained that even as a legislator in the minority, "You must vote yes or no on whatever bill comes up, with the knowledge that it's unlikely to be a compromise that either you or your supporters consider fair and or just." http://opinionjournal.com/federation/feature/?id=110009664
All about Obama...
BARACK OBAMA
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| Feb 17 @ 12:29 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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SG, can you give me a little more information???  Geez....some of us have a life.... 
For me, Obama sounds good sometimes, and then sounds like a southern preacher gathering in his flock. I'm somewhat persuaded by his supporters, and then turned off by his rhetoric. I don't think he is bad...just don't trust anything THAT good. I'm going for Hilary until she's out...
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| Feb 17 @ 1:02 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Because of Obama's 100% ADA US Senate voting record, by definition Obama represents the extreme left of the liberal Democrat Party.
Add in his latent Muslim culture and what you get is a slick and charismatic problem child in a presidential candidate's clothes.
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| Feb 17 @ 1:05 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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And unless the women voice, card, trumps him. Its gona work.
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| Feb 17 @ 1:10 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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His absolute worst still promises to be better than McCain's best...
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| Feb 17 @ 1:22 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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God I hope so.
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| Feb 17 @ 1:25 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Well. Obama is from SG's home state, so he knows the history pretty well. It would be about the same as if Harold Ford Jr. were running for president, had he gone to the Senate from Tennessee, for a very short time, prior. I'd know a lot of the background on him, and his activity at State levels too, because it all would have occurred here, which isn't necessarily discussed in the National News.
I hope it doesn't work for Obama. But then there are three very significant States upcoming in the primaries that could put Clinton back in front. I think she has to stop elevating her voice and screaching on the stump though, keeping her tone more normal. Like her cackle, the high-pitched yelling turns people off.
I do agree though that Obama is better than McCain by quite a stretch.. In this entire election process, McCain is among the worst options we had. It is astonishing he is garnering anywhere near the level of support he has recently. Only last summer, predictions were that McCain didn't have a prayer.
-MM 
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| Feb 17 @ 2:06 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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His absolute worst still promises to be better than McCain's best..
Unless President Obama abandons Israel or surrenders American interests to the Islamic adversaries.
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| Feb 17 @ 2:29 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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It is astonishing he is garnering anywhere near the level of support he has recently.
Ain't that the truth. A few short years ago he couldn't get past first base; now he's the only hope they have. Shocked the hell out of me when Romney bowed out...I guess I was napping.
Unless President Obama abandons Israel or surrenders American interests to the Islamic adversaries.
Abandons Israel...supports Islamic adversaries....hmmm.....ok. He's an al-Qaeda mole just waiting to blow up Jerusalem and Mecca.
Look, I was swept up at first by his optimism and his rebellious spirit. Now MY jaded spirit has me second-guessing anyone that promises anything in this day and age. Couple that with the fact that I don't particularly like his gospel speech type thing he's got going on, and that leaves me a tee-total skeptic. Just as in religion,I don't trust anyone or anything that deals solely on my emotions.
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| Feb 17 @ 2:58 AM |
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kjac
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Para, you might want to try a knew angle. The whole Obama being Muslim thing didn't work on anybody. That's why some switched to trying to connect him with the mob. 
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| Feb 17 @ 3:16 AM |
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Novalite
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Para Unless President Obama abandons Israel or surrenders American interests to the Islamic adversaries
Neither of which is going to happen once he is in charge unless of course, he wants to be responsible for the deaths of millions (actual, not imagined by Lancelet studies) and the collapse of three middle eastern democracies and most of Europe's and Asia's oil supplies.
It gives me much pleasure to see a popular candidate from the left who is aggressive in prosecuting the War on Terror as well as the fact that many minorities within the country as well as foreign nations see Obama as proof that America would be 'United.' Possibly, without the continual moronic and incessant attacks on the executive branch, the enemy would then see that they have lost the support of the left in your country and, lives would be saved right there as well as a severe lapse in quitbist power across the Middle East..
He is the man as far as I am concerned. No better, no worse than Hillary or Bush but, simply a fresh face to throw insults at. However, at least for a few months, those insults will be slow in comming and, for a time, America can concentrate on their enemies rather than their President.
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| Feb 17 @ 3:37 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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It gives me much pleasure to see a popular candidate from the left who is aggressive in prosecuting the War on Terror as well as the fact that many minorities within the country as well as foreign nations see Obama as proof that America would be 'United.' Possibly, without the continual moronic and incessant attacks on the executive branch, the enemy would then see that they have lost the support of the left in your country and, lives would be saved right there as well as a severe lapse in quitbist power across the Middle East..
Wow...I can't tell if that's a good thing or not.  I'm sure you'll tell me....
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| Feb 17 @ 3:47 AM |
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Novalite
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It's a good thing. So many people believe the president makes the entire country yet, it is circumstances. Certainly, there are things they affect but in reality, when there are few options or, something like 911 occurs, action must be taken. Action that is firm and or course, will have repercussions no matter what that action is. To take an action where something is only partial or a 'band aid' solution may please some (as in the case where, because there was no nation or international outrage to support stronger action Clinton bombed Afghanistan) for a while but, in this case, presuming Obama wins the Presidency, he is taking over as a left wing president from a right wing one and, is a visible minority. He can continue the War on Terror as he says he will in order to hunt down one guy in a cave who sends messages via camel which by text, drop in hatred to the US each time,, leave Iraq and watch millions die in Iraq when the government collapses or, continue to prop it up and the left will have nothing to bitch about as they voted him in. In any case, his willingness to walk into Pakistan shows he is simply unaware of the intracity of the problem. Intricacities which he will be well appraised of once in office and, will act accordingly as a sane person given his commitment to continuing the War on Terror. The insurgents and quitbists across the middle East will know they are getting the same effect from their actions as they did with Bush - a brick wall.
As their campaign is a simple propaganda one in which they hope to villify the Westr via Bush, they will have been out gunned and, with a visible minority at the head of the most powerful state on earth, their arguments will be virtually bogus.
I only wish he were a Muslim as he is almost too perfect for the job as he stands now. Pro War on Terror, willing to use the miltary and has popular appeal. Obama is the man!  
[Edited on 2/17/2008 3:59 AM]
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| Feb 17 @ 3:58 AM |
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Say_Yes
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Like Hillary & McCain, Obama is representing himself. He may pander more to one side of the electorate than the other, but in the end, like all politicians the only person he really cares about is himself.
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| Feb 17 @ 8:21 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Nova: He is the man as far as I am concerned. No better, no worse than Hillary or Bush but, simply a fresh face to throw insults at....etc.
...I would be happy to trade him; who do you have up there that is any good?
Say_Yes: Like Hillary & McCain, Obama is representing himself. He may pander more to one side of the electorate than the other, but in the end, like all politicians the only person he really cares about is himself.
...Obama panders to all sides and he is getting better at it. He is like a chameleon and a hell of a speaker if he is left with his speech. Yet, he seems to be avoiding Hillary when it comes to debates.
...If it comes down to the wire with Obama and McCain, I am going with McCain; I already know what Obama is and with a Dem controlled Congress, I am hoping for some check and balance... lesser of two evils.
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| Feb 17 @ 8:57 AM |
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alivenwell351
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Unless President Obama abandons Israel or surrenders American interests to the Islamic adversaries.
And should he even give the slightest indication he would do that, how long would it take your Bilderbergers (sp?) (they ARE predominantly Jewish ya know, if you buy into the legend!!) to take him out??...
About 10 seconds...
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| Feb 17 @ 9:20 AM |
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MusicMonster
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He's not talking about actual surrender.. No one is going to do anything like that. He's merely parroting McCain's statements, that having any Exit Plan in place sooner than 100 years, equates to waving the white flag of surrender, which of course is ridiculous.
This is not a war to either win or lose at this point.. It IS one to become sensible about, and to be developing some form of management, including a plan for ending the occupation. Something we've never had since the beginning.
-MM 
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