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DiamondRain
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I had to start a new thread because, thanks to others breaking site rules, my previous threads on this topic were closed or deleted.
Again I would ask the Mods to please consider disciplining the offending posters rather than shutting down my legitimate threads on this subject. Otherwise, those who disagree with me will continue to break site rules in my threads just for the purpose of silencing the facts and opinions I post. Thank you for anything you can do to help with this practice.
Now the topic. I ask that ALL please refrain from breaking site rules in this thread. Thank you...
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I saw the last Democrat debate. Did you? If so you will know the following is true.
Obama was asked if he denounced Farrakhan. It took him about 5 tries to finally say that he did, however, even then he did so in a much less than convincing way. Clinton had to prod him into doing it, because he very clearly did not want to do so voluntarily.
He finally said something to the effect of "OK, I'll say it if you want me to." and said it laughingly as if it was a joke.
But it is not a joke. It is a serious manner.
The papers don't report the important facts above. What a person says is one thing. How they say it is another. And what they DO NOT say is yet another.
1. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's close friend and mentor, and the leader of his church, is a strong supporter of Louis Farrakhan and his orgnization the Nation of Islam -- the black equivalent of David Duke and the KKK.
2. Louis Farrakhan gave a public endorsement of Obama.
3. Obama had to be pushed and prodded into denouncing Farrakhan, made a joke out of it, and in the end gave a weak and unconvincing denouncement. I don't believe he ever actually said that he rejected the endorsement.
Much more needs to be known about Obama's relationship with Wright and Farrakhan. However, there is clearly an effort underway to obstruct any information from coming out. Wright repeatedly refuses to be interviewed since this story broke. Even CNN, about the most liberal, pro Obama media outlet in existance, has repeatedly tried to get an interview with him, but he has refused.
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| Mar 4 @ 4:03 AM |
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ForumMod
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start over.
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willsmalto
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how much is the above newspaper?
more than 16 hours and yet no comment...that speaks for itself, huh?
glad folks are paying attention 
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comments were removed because of in-fighting.
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katydid438
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| Mar 4 @ 8:13 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Snopes.com debunking most of the fabrications
It is true that Illinois senator (and Democratic presidential hopeful) Barack Obama has been associated with Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ (a single church which is part of the United Church of Christ denomination) for about twenty years, and it is true that TUCC describes its congregation as "an African people" who remain "true to our native land." However, it is not true that Barack Obama "desires to rule over America" (he's running for the office of president, not king), or that he is a "covert worshiper of the Muslim faith" (both he and the TUCC are Christian). It is also not true that non-blacks are shunned by TUCC, as Martin E. Marty of the University of Chicago Divinity School related from personal experience: Trinity is the largest congregation in the whole United Church of Christ, the ex-Congregational (think Jonathan Edwards) and Reformed (think Reinhold Niebuhr) mainline church body. Trinity's rubric is "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." So far as I can tell Trinity shapes a kind of ellipse around these two "centers," neither of which makes sense without the other. This you would never know from the slanders of its enemies or the incomprehension and naiveté of some reporters who lack background in the civil rights and African-American movements of several decades ago — a background out of which Trinity's stirrings first rose and on which it transformatively trades.
So Trinity is "Africentric," and deals internationally and ecumenically with the heritage of "black is beautiful." Despite what one sometimes hears, Wright and his parishioners — an 8,000-member mingling of everyone from the disadvantaged to the middle class, and not a few shakers and movers in Chicago — are "keepin' the faith." To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything "cultic" or "sectarian" about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white." My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed. As for the (subjective) issue of whether a church with an 8,600-member black congregation that espouses a "Black Value System" and urges commitment to the "Black Community," the "Black Family," and "the Black Work Ethic" is a church that is dutifully attending to the needs of its congregation, or one that is advocating a form of separatism, Chicago Sun-Times journalist Monroe Anderson tackled that subject in a piece about TUCC back in March 2007: If a white presidential candidate's church had a similar statement and "you substitute the word white for black, there would be an outrage in this country," [Sean] Hannity preached. "There would be cries of racism in this country."
True and Catch-22. If a white church plainly and proudly pronounced its whiteness, Hannity, [Tucker] Carlson and company would be right. But if it was the Holy Trinity Polish Church on Chicago's North Side, proclaiming its Polishness, who'd care? This is how African Americans find ourselves in a trick bag. We're defined racially even when we're acting like any other of this nation's ethnic groups. Issues knee-jerkily become black and white when in reality they may be African American and Irish American. Or Serbian American and African American. Remove black and substitute another American ethnic group so that Trinity's Concept No. 6 reads: "Adherence to the Mexican Work Ethic." Does that still sound separatist? Or racist? Of course not. But, if you're insincerely espousing color blindness, while holding the race card up your sleeve, you know you can easily trump African-American ethnic pride every time. (Trinity's "Talking Points" page responds to some of the criticisms of the TUCC that prompted Anderson's article.) The TUCC has drawn criticism because its pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has spoken favorably of controversial Nation of Islam head Louis Farrakhan, and in 2007 Trinity's magazine bestowed an award upon the latter. But, as Stanley Crouch wrote in the New York Daily News: Newsweek found nothing racist or separatist about Obama's church upon investigation and Obama formally distanced himself from Farrakhan, but the ultimate repudiation of Farrakhan is the senator's very presidential campaign and its welcoming quality to Americans at large, whatever color, whatever religion, whatever class and whatever voting age.
Snopes.com: less biased than the neo-con blogsphere.
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eastham
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Even Hillary Clinton stated in their last debate that the Farrakan issue is a non-starter and criticized Tim Russert for asking the same question over and over.
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youbetcha
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It's a non issue to Hillary and some Democrats, but a very important issue to America.
The snopes.com article doesn't remove my doubts in my mind that Obama is not just influenced by his pastors racial and political beliefs, but fully embraces them, especially since Obama hasn't emphatically denied his support for what has been done.
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| Mar 4 @ 10:33 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Then we'll have to agree to disagree, as no matter what we post, you've already made up your mind to dislike him.
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iam7545
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Obama is about to have his Mike Dukakis moment. His association with Wright, Farrakhan and other radical racists will do him serious harm.
He has also associated himself with anti gay religious people and has the gays up in arms.
He now also has the Rezko trial to deal with. Now that he is a front runner the media has finally put their tongues back in their mouth and begun to act like journalists.
It seems that the SNL skit asking Obama if he needs a pillow has helped wake the media up as what is so apparent to USA voters was rubbed in the face ofthe lapdog media.
I hope his ears fit in the helmet when he does his Dukakis photo shoot. 
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SensualGemini
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Napa: Snopes.com: less biased than the neo-con blogsphere. ...Nonsense; Snopes is the Webmaster's opinion and do you know who this webmaster is?
Napa's quote: It is true that Illinois senator (and Democratic presidential hopeful) Barack Obama has been associated with Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ...etc.
...Yes, a 20 year dedicated member that gives speeches for this church and sitting in the front pew every Sunday... a bit more than associated with. And the lefty's talk about the religious right...lol
Directly from Trinity United Church of Christ website:
>A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. Trinity United Church of Christ... 10-Point Vision
...Instead of an Obama dressed as a Muslim African warrior; we are voting for the President of the United States.
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SweetNapaGuy
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And the sources quoted by the webmaster, are they figments of his imagination?
Not a "roll eyes" emoticon big enough to counter some ass ertions..
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lefthandedluckie
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SO, what is the deal? You do know the "Mob" is supporting somebody! The believers in god are supporting somebody. The non-believers in god are supporting someone.
So, what is the big deal? 
Show me or us the "meat"! Show us where there are backroom deals and video tape to back-up that something un-American is going on here? 
Can't do it.....I thought so....next post!
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iam7545
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Well looks like Barak X is having his Howard Dean moment tonight. Poor guy may never make it to the helmet and tank photo shoot!
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SensualGemini
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Napa: And the sources quoted by the webmaster, are they figments of his imagination?
Not a "roll eyes" emoticon big enough to counter some ass ertions..
...The webmaster at Snopes, apparently moonlights for the NY Times.
...If and when you get your rolling eyes out of your ass ertions, show one link from your astounding find that has any factual relevance to Obama being a racist or not?
...Oh there is one, which affirms, but like those with blinders, your webmaster failed to do any further research that could be found right here in the MD threads.
...The fact remains, your webmaster concludes that TUCC is no more racist than "Holy Trinity Polish Church on Chicago's North Side" and fair enough, except there isn't one.
...But if there was and it stated "A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. ," er Poland and their caps, not mine, it would be considered as racist for a presidential candidate.
...Snopes is a joke, someone's opinion and simply another source to start research with. Besides, you did not find it to begin with... then again, your postings have been deleted a lot lately.
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kjac
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First Obama's the racist, then Hillary. I guess that's the problem for the cons not having a clear opponent. They don't know who to direct their empty rhetoric against.
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iam7545
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Barak X is gonna have to decide if he is an American first - or not!
Someone needs to teach him how to respect the flag
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iam7545
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Barak X is gonna have to decide if he is an American first - or not!
Someone needs to teach him how to respect the flag
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DoorWatcher
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Not that sad, incorrect email again...geez...
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lefthandedluckie
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The Flag.....there are a lot of people that disrespect it everyday. Including saying it is okay for terrorists to build our new tankers!
That is good though! Al Queda does not have to come through our borders....NO...all they have to do is be a goody two-shoes....get a French work permit and go to work building our new tankers! A little C-4 here and a radio receiver there and "BBBBBllllllooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeee"!
Oh, by the way, the blowe was the word I used for a bomb detonation on board one of our new Al Queda built French Air Bus Tankers!
republicans......security first!
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