| Mar 3, 2008 @ 9:48 PM |
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iam7545
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Looks like this is it! The Global Warming scam is DONE - A confession from the founder of the Weather Channel.
Weather Channel Founder Blasts Network; Claims It Is 'Telling Us What to Think'
TWC founder and global warming skeptic advocates suing Al Gore to expose 'the fraud of global warming.'
By Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
3/3/2008 6:11:04 PM
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The Weather Channel has lost its way, according to John Coleman, who founded the channel in 1982.
Coleman told an audience at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change on March 3 in New York that he is highly critical of global warming alarmism.
“The Weather Channel had great promise, and that’s all gone now because they’ve made every mistake in the book on what they’ve done and how they’ve done it and it’s very sad,” Coleman said. “It’s now for sale and there’s a new owner of The Weather Channel will be announced – several billion dollars having changed hands in the near future. Let’s hope the new owners can recapture the vision and stop reporting the traffic, telling us what to think and start giving us useful weather information.”
The Weather Channel has been an outlet for global warming alarmism. In December 2006, The Weather Channel’s Heidi Cullen argued on her blog that weathercasters who had doubts about human influence on global warming should be punished with decertification by the American Meteorological Society.
Coleman also told the audience his strategy for exposing what he called “the fraud of global warming.” He advocated suing those who sell carbon credits, which would force global warming alarmists to give a more honest account of the policies they propose.
“[I] have a feeling this is the opening,” Coleman said. “If the lawyers will take the case – sue the people who sell carbon credits. That includes Al Gore. That lawsuit would get so much publicity, so much media attention. And as the experts went to the media stand to testify, I feel like that could become the vehicle to finally put some light on the fraud of global warming.”
Earlier at the conference Lord Christopher Monckton, a policy adviser to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, told an audience that the science will eventually prevail and the “scare” of global warming will go away. He also said the courts were a good avenue to show the science.
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 10:27 PM |
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Jankia
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 So is Gore....like...cooling off now ? 
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 10:48 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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John Coleman... didn't he win a nobel prize in.....TV weatherman reporting... 
John Coleman has been a TV weatherman since he was a freshman in college in 1953 and TV was brand new. He still loves predicting the weather and relating to the television viewers. "I also love working at KUSI NEWS", he adds. "It is a rare thing; a locally owned and managed TV station. And, there are dozens of wonderful people who work here." John has predicted and shoveled his share of snow. He has been a TV weatherman in Champaign, Peoria and Chicago, Illinois; Omaha, Nebraska, Milwaukee, Wisconsin and New York City. For seven years he was the weatherman on "Good Morning, America" on the ABC Network. John also cooked up the idea of a cable channel devoted to nothing but weather and spent six years developing "The Weather Channel" on cable. "That's my baby", he says. "The bad guys took it away from me, but they can't steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is." "As for my "retirement job" at KUSI, it's the most fun I ever had. And the people of San Diego County have been wonderful to me for well over a decade. That's very, very nice. And, that's all I have to say." With that Coleman gets down to work predicting the weather one more time. http://www.kusi.com/about/bios/weather/1838191.html
[Edited on 3/3/2008 10:56 PM]
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 10:56 PM |
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iam7545
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jankia - Al Goreacle will be in a drug rehab soon. When all the people that he conned out of money come after him he will chose rehab instead of jail - The guy is whacked.
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 11:01 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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More tainted info from the wannabe....wannabe! 
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 11:10 PM |
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Say_Yes
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Yep, Gore won a Nobel prize. Your point? There have been many dubious Nobel Peace Prize winners in the past (Yassar Arafat comes to mind), not to mention certain nominees for the peace prize.
The Nomination Database for the Nobel Prize
in Peace, 1901-1955
Year: 1939
Number: 9-1
Nominee:
Name: Adolf Hitler
Gender: M
Year, birth: 1889
Year, death: 1945
Profession/Category: Chancellor and Führer of Germany (1933-1945).
City: Berlin
Country: DE (GERMANY)
Motivation: Hitler was the leader of the German Nationalist Socialist Party.
Nominator:
Name: E.G.C. Brandt
Gender: M
Profession/Category: Member of the Swedish parliament
Country: SE (SWEDEN)
Evaluation: No
Comment: The nomination was withdrawn in a letter of February 1, 1939.
BTW, there was no Nobel Prize awarded from 1939 to 1943. If not for the outbreak of WWII, who knows. Maybe Hitler would have won one.
Source- Nobel.org
I am not equating Gore to Hitler. I am simply showing that at times, the Nobel Prize committe has been known to make a mistake.
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 11:16 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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I am not equating Gore to Hitler. I am simply showing that at times, the Nobel Prize committe has been known to make a mistake.
 sure..sure ..sure... we all can't be as perfect as some people who only know how to "say yes".... and never.."I was wrong..."  ...
btw...my point was not that Gore was smarter...but that this guy was not ever anything more than a tv weatherman.....at least Gore was the VP...and actually won the "popular vote" in a presidential election... 
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 11:16 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I am simply showing that at times, the Nobel Prize committe has been known to make a mistake.
Perhaps I'm misreading the quoted text. It seems to indicate that an outsider, a member of the Swedish parliament, made the nomination (as, a quick Google search informs me, any member of any national parliament in any nation on Earth may do), and the Nobel committee rejected it.
So how does this non-event decrease the impact of Gore's Nobel Peace Prize?
Edit: Say_Yes is one of the few conservatives on these forums whose opinions I respect. (There are many conservatives whose opinions I respect, even if I disagree with them. In these forums, however, the worst sort of conservatives seem to show up... It's nice to have ONE decent conservative...)
It's an honest question. If, as seems to be the case, national legislators can nominate whomever they desire, there's enough nutter politicians to flood the committee with unacceptable choices. In this one case, the nomination was leaked to the public. The committee made the right decision. It seems the system worked, except for the part where the nomination was leaked.
[Edited on 3/4/2008 12:28 AM]
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| Mar 3, 2008 @ 11:30 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Now, look guys...if George Bush had won it on that great work he did in Iraq and New Orleans everything would have been ok by the "fifth column" here in the country!
But, Al won! And it makes no sense to these republicans! Because god Bush was overlooked! And remember he jumped out of that jet on the deck of that carrier exclaiming...."Mission Accomplished"!
Now, why didn't the murderer from Crawford win?
Inquiring rethuglican minds want to know!!!!!!!!!!
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 12:46 AM |
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Say_Yes
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1. When I have been wrong, I have stated as much on this forum. Unlike some other self righteous people who post in this forum, not only do I make no claims to be perfect, I have admitted when I was wrong. In fact, I think that I am one of the few people to have actually issued an apology, which I have done on three occasions, that I can remember. Have you ever done that, or is it that you have never been wrong?
2. The reason that Hitler was not evaluated for the prize in 1939, was because there was no prize awarded in 1939. NO prizes were awarded between 1939 and 1943, due to WWII. Yes, the nomination was later withdrawn, but his nomination was not rejected by the committee. BTW, I cited that information in my original post. I wasn't trying to hide it.
3. Yes, Gore was VP, a politician and he won the popular vote in a presidential election. None of that qualifies him as an expert on weather, or the science of climate change. John Coleman is a meterologist, who at least has some formal training in weather science. There remains much debate on the science behind, not only the claims of global warming, but the cause. Personally, I don't claim to know the truth of the matter and I have an open mind on the issue.
My point was that just because you have a nobel prize, it does not follow that your beliefs on an issue are correct. (Nor does it follow that they are wrong.) Like I also stated in my original post, Yassar Arafat has a Nobel Peace Prize. When I think of those who have promoted peace in the world over the last 20 to 30 years, his is not one of the names that springs to mind. The fact that the Nobel Committee gave Arafat a peace prize, did not make him a force for peace in the world. The fact that they gave one to Gore, did not make him into an expert on climatology either.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 12:56 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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2. The reason that Hitler was not evaluated for the prize in 1939, was because there was no prize awarded in 1939. NO prizes were awarded between 1939 and 1943, due to WWII. Yes, the nomination was later withdrawn, but his nomination was not rejected by the committee. BTW, I cited that information in my original post. I wasn't trying to hide it.
The nomination was made at the start of 1939. It was attempted to be withdrawn in February 1939. WW2 started in September 1939.
I presumed the "Evaluation: No" meant the committee decided against the nomination. To verify this, I checked 1936 (a year, picked at random, in which the prize was awarded), and the nominees who didn't receive the prize have the same "Evaluation: No."
So it seems that, while a prize was not awarded, Hitler was definitely not making their list of finalists.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 1:23 AM |
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Say_Yes
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I presumed the "Evaluation: No" meant the committee decided against the nomination. To verify this, I checked 1936 (a year, picked at random, in which the prize was awarded), and the nominees who didn't receive the prize have the same "Evaluation: No."
So it seems that, while a prize was not awarded, Hitler was definitely not making their list of finalists.
I stand corrected. I was not aware of that and should have looked back at other dates, to see how the committee had handled those who did not receive the award. BTW, was there a list of finalist or did everyone other than the recipient receive an evaluation of no? Thanks for the info. It's always a benefit to be better informed.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 1:23 AM |
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Nightowl001
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The fact that they gave one to Gore, did not make him into an expert on climatology either.
However, I might point out the 2500-member IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) that shared the prize with Mr. Gore IS composed of experts on climatology from all over the world, and they and he shared the prize because they were/are instrumental in bringing the issue of global warming to the forefront of issues being considered as affecting the world, and because the Nobel Committee decided that climate change resulting in affected crop yields, reduction of arable land due to increasing desertification, possible changes in seaport locations and accessability, and a myriad of other consequences would affect world peace if not addressed with foresight. (That is my summation of the published explanation the Committee released on why Mr. Gore and the IPCC were awarded the prize.)
Whether one wishes to act in view of the assessments of Dr. Cullen, who happens to have a PhD in Oceanic-Atmospheric Dynamics and Climatology from Columbia, and Mr. Gore's presentation of IPCC findings, or prefer to listen to the Dick-Clark-wannabe who graduated as a meterologist in 1957 is entirely up to the individual, of course. As I said in the other thread on this subject, whether or not global warming is predominantly due to reversible actions by humans or not is still subject to study and debate. I don't happen to wholly agree with Dr. Cullen's more strident calls for pulling the meterology license of anyone who doesn't agree that the predominant cause is human influence. But no matter what the cause, recognizing that it is happening and making plans about what to do about its impact is important on a global scale. Roughly as important as planning on what to do when non-renewable energy resources have been exhausted. Now is the time to try to predict effects, plan levees or move entire cities if necessary. Waiting to act until the Port of Los Angeles is underwater and anyone with an office on the first two floors of any building on Wall Street has to don scuba gear to go to work is just plain ignorant.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 1:40 AM |
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Say_Yes
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However, I might point out the 2500-member IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) that shared the prize with Mr. Gore IS composed of experts on climatology from all over the world, and they and he shared the prize because they were/are instrumental in bringing the issue of global warming to the forefront of issues being considered as affecting the world, and because the Nobel Committee decided that climate change resulting in affected crop yields, reduction of arable land due to increasing desertification, possible changes in seaport locations and accessability, and a myriad of other consequences would affect world peace if not addressed with foresight. (That is my summation of the published explanation the Committee released on why Mr. Gore and the IPCC were awarded the prize.)
Whether one wishes to act in view of the assessments of Dr. Cullen, who happens to have a PhD in Oceanic-Atmospheric Dynamics and Climatology from Columbia, and Mr. Gore's presentation of IPCC findings, or prefer to listen to the Dick-Clark-wannabe who graduated as a meterologist in 1957 is entirely up to the individual, of course. As I said in the other thread on this subject, whether or not global warming is predominantly due to reversible actions by humans or not is still subject to study and debate. I don't happen to wholly agree with Dr. Cullen's more strident calls for pulling the meterology license of anyone who doesn't agree that the predominant cause is human influence. But no matter what the cause, recognizing that it is happening and making plans about what to do about its impact is important on a global scale. Roughly as important as planning on what to do when non-renewable energy resources have been exhausted. Now is the time to try to predict effects, plan levees or move entire cities if necessary. Waiting to act until the Port of Los Angeles is underwater and anyone with an office on the first two floors of any building on Wall Street has to don scuba gear to go to work is just plain ignorant.
The above writing, is an example of a liberal with a brain. The post is well researched, informative and based in fact, rather than opinion. Well said, if a little dramatic. I wish more post were written in this manner.
I'm not so certain as you on the science or rather conclusions drawn from the science involved. The causative effects are somewhat questionable in my mind, as they have failed to work in reverse. As I understand it, if you take their projected trends & conclusions, start with them today and then work backwards in time, their projections do not mesh with historical observations.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 1:46 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I searched the 1935 and 1936 prize winners. Then I searched some 50+ nominations from 1936. It seems that "Evaluation: No" means they weren't evaluated at all, as some people who didn't win, didn't have the "Evaluation: No."
Looking through 1939, in case WW2 stopped all the evaluations, I found Benes, Chamberlain, and Hull (stopped after three were found, in the first 15 of 59 nominations) didn't have "Evaluation: No." So it appears that some people were evaluated, some were rejected summarily, and the finalists were never narrowed down to a winner.
So it looks like some Norwegian politician made a stupid nomination, attempted to withdraw the nomination (which isn't allowed, under the rules), and the nomination was rejected summarily. Sounds like the system worked.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 2:06 AM |
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SyndilLucian
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I have not checked everyone's profiles that are discussing this topic, but I would ask all of you this one question: We can argue and discuss forever about whether or not there is global warming, but what really matters in the long run is, what will happen 50 years, 100 years down the road? If there is no global warming, and we still encourage everyone to cut down on pollution and stop clear cutting the planet, is it a bad thing? And if there is, in fact, global warming, and these efforts prove in some way to curtail further damage to the environment, is that again not a good thing? Anyone living in the LA basin can tell you what a challenge it is sometimes to breathe there. I do not understand how cutting down on that pollution is a bad thing, but that is just my two cents worth...
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 5:36 AM |
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kjac
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See guys, out of all the conspiracy theories, I told you the weather channel one was the funniest.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 6:49 AM |
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eastham
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Here's a link to a site called real climate, which is actually run by real scientists. They put out blogs as well as links to articles from peer-reviewed scientific journals. Real Climate is not for the casual or faint of heart reader as many of the articles linked there are highly scientific and some of the climate scientists, while brilliant in their fields, are not as adept as others to be teachers of laymen, but it is still an excellent site.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 8:26 AM |
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yashaenka
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Shesh The first determinate of weather is Sun Spot activity which creates radiant heat on our atmosphere and from there it has to do with the earths position relative to other planets and our moon as in tidal shifts.
Planet Earth reacts to the above stimuli then creates is own weather pattern which is ever changing.
We are entering a cooling period due to the lessening of sun spot activity.
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| Mar 4, 2008 @ 9:52 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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We are entering a cooling period due to the lessening of sun spot activity.
So doesn't that essentially mean that, if not for the sunspot activity declining, the global climatic instability would be much worse?
What happens when sunspot activity returns to normal (i.e. reduced sunspot activity ceases to be a damper on the greenhouse gases)?
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