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DiamondRain
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The corrupt maistream media is covering up Saddam Hussein's and Iraq's connection with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. Just whose side of the war are they on?
Contrary to the accounts that have appeared in mainstream media outlets, the Harmony documents and the IDA report show beyond any doubt that Saddam Hussein was willing to fund, train, and use Islamic terrorists, including groups affiliated with al-Qaida, to carry out his long-standing plans against the United States and U.S. allies in the region.
While the IDA study includes no information that would show operational ties between Saddam’s regime and the 9/11 hijackers, it reveals that Saddam personally gave orders on Sept. 17, 2001 to his general military intelligence directorate to recruit Iraqi officers for “suicide operations” against the United States.
The 112-page Harmony data file ISGQ-2005-00037352 contains Saddam’s order, as well as personal pledges to carry out suicide operations from more than one hundred “volunteers,” including a brigadier general.
In the order he issued just one week after the 9/11 attacks, Saddam stated that the volunteers should sign pledges “to be written in blood,” presumably their own.
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| Mar 20 @ 11:27 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Personally, to me it matters little if Saddam Hussein's Iraq was sponsoring Al Qaida, Black September, Al Fatah, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Phillippine Tamil Rebels, or any number of these terrorist groups.
The sponsor of terror is so evil that the US War on Terror makes each of these terrorist groups a fair military target to me. The critics of the War in Iran think that it was OK for Iraq to sponsor any terrorist group EXCEPT Al Qaida and that the minimalist sponsorship of this particular terrorist group absolve Iraq from any blame worthy of an American invasion and occupation.
Not so. Saddam's Iraq was a despicable regime that NEEDED to be crushed regardless of the excuse utilized.
And it was worth it, including the four thousand KIA that it took to liberate Iraq and tip it into the Free World.
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| Mar 20 @ 11:30 PM |
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Jankia
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Saddam personally gave orders on Sept. 17, 2001 to his general military intelligence directorate to recruit Iraqi officers for “suicide operations” against the United States.
...and people call our president a liar because no WMDs were found in Iraq. 
Ask the families of the dead citizens of northern Iraq who was the biggest WMD in there country.
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| Mar 20 @ 11:46 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Yes, there is a plethora of reasons that going into Iraq was absolutely the right move having not a thing to do with Al Qaeda. The Al Qaeda connection is just one of the good reasons.
But ... the story here is that there is a well documented Saddam/Iraq/AlQaeda connection that is not only ignored by the mainstream media, but DELIBERATLEY MISREPRESENTED by them.
The public hears over and over "there is no connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein or Iraq." (as if that really matters) This mantra is one of the main arguments Democrats use to argue against our presence in Iraq. It is heavily promoted by the mainstream media. AND IT IS FALSE.
What the hell is going on in this country?
I disagree with an awful lot of things President Bush has done. BUT GOD BLESS HIM FOR HIS POLICY IN IRAQ!
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| Mar 22 @ 2:11 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The Liberals are very quiet about all of this irrefutable information.
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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:09 AM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman Article Font Size
A much-publicized report released by the Pentagon last week details the extensive ties between the regime of Saddam Hussein and a wide variety of international terrorist organizations, including Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida.
“Despite their incompatible long-term goals, many terrorist movements and Saddam found a common enemy in the United States,” the report’s authors at the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA) state.
The United States Joint Forces Command, which commissioned the report from IDA, provided reporters late last week with a CD containing nearly 2,000 pages of supporting documents that purportedly formed the basis of the conclusions authored by Lt. Col. Kevin Woods and James Lacey in the 94-page redacted summary that initially was leaked to the press.
Intriguing Analysis
An analysis by Newsmax identified several documents with critical evidence of Saddam’s close ties to al-Qaida that were overlooked or ignored by the report’s authors, however.
These documents, published previously by the Foreign Military Studies Office of the Joint Reserve Intelligence Center, Fort Leavenworth, have since been taken down from U.S. government Web sites. Newsmax downloaded copies when they were still available.
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| Mar 22 @ 8:27 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Yep, there is a media blackout on this. Not a word to be heard in ANY of the mainstream media. It's a coverup of monumental proportions by the corrupt anti-American Democrat controlled media.
Standby...I have a killer story on Clinton comming shortly. 
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| Mar 22 @ 11:45 AM |
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MotownManiax
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I thought we should have taken care of Saddam in Gulf War1 when we had the troop level arleady in place to assure the kind of security the present war lacked.
Any transitional government would have also greatly benefitted from anti-Saddam factions that were practically wiped out when we urged them to revolt, then stood by and watched them get slaughtered (a cowardly act on our part).
Instead we waited through 12 years of pointless sanctions, stupid "no-fly zones", Saddam propaganda and indoctrination that only embittered Iraqi's against us, and Saddam's ridiculous WMD-inspection shell game and taunts that basically exposed America as a paper tiger.
When we finally "did" go in after 9-11 (twelve years too late in my book), we botched things up even more by not having enough troops for security, no reconstruction plan, no help from others in the region that could have allayed Iraqi fears of occupation, dissolved the Iraqi armed forces that threw hundreds of thousands of unemployed into the streets who became a perfect recruiting pool for insurgents....the list is virtually endless.
Now that we're finally starting to see some progress in stabilizing the country, it may be too late to build on the gains because Americans are simply fed up with the waste in money and lives to stay the course and endure.
The biggest lessons of Iraq are of wasted opportunities and monumental incompetence. The shame is it didn't have to be that way.
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| Mar 22 @ 11:47 AM |
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yashaenka
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There were a lot of reasons to take Saddam out besides WMD.
He double crossed Bush senior he told the American Ambassador he was no threat to Kuwait then invaded it.
He killed the Kurds with chemicals and he himself made every effort to make everyone think his chemical capability was greater than it was.
He was a threat to the Saudis and other nations.
The UN wasted 12 years on a boycott only to find out the UN, Germany, France and Russia were trading with him. So who could we turn to? The Brits of course and they wanted a stable middle east also.
And there has been talk about his funding and support of terrorist groups but I imagine all this is still classified as secret.
I do agree with Mo above.
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| Mar 22 @ 1:12 PM |
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alivenwell351
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If only Bushie and the chickemhawks had waited until the troops were properly trained and adequately equipped, and in sufficient numbers (a surge from the beginning would have been nice!!) to do the job right.....
If only Bushie and the chickenhawks were more concerned with military competency at the top than ideology allegiance....
If only Bushie and the chickenhawks had listened to General Sanchez instead of their appointed "ambassador" and not dismantled the standing Iraq army and started serious diplomatic negotiations from the beginning...
Had that been the case this whole thing about whether there were WMD's or whether Iraq funded, harbored or trained terrorist groups would have been a moot point by now. What has ended up being a long drawn out mismanaged fiasco with no conclusion and no happy ending in the foreseeable future, having turned into what could have been avoidable tribal warfare, would have long ago been over and done with...
Had this Iraq thing been run by competent folks with a fkn clue, it should have been a scrimmage at worst...like the first one was...
Oh yeah, there's this guy named Bin Laden still on the loose out there somewhere...
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| Mar 22 @ 1:37 PM |
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MotownManiax
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 Looks like everybody's preachin' to the choir so far. 
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| Mar 22 @ 2:03 PM |
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DiamondRain
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I agree with a lot of what you said MM. I was a strong proponent of taking Saddam out at the end of the first Gulf war, although I also understood the reasoning behind not doing it. One of the reasons was that it did not have the support of the American people. We rescued Kuwait, but, at the time, the threat to US from Iraq was not recognized (pre 9/11 and even pre 1993 WTC attack).
And, as with this war, we see what can happen when many of our own people don't support the mission.
Had Americans united around this mission I think that we would have been victorious a long time ago and Iraq would now be a stable nation.
Although I have strongly supported going into Iraq from day one, WMD or not, and now feel more strongly about our need to have a presence there than ever, what is important is not what happened in the past, but what is in our best interests NOW.
I simply don't see how you can support the position that withdrawing now, in the middle of a war that we are now clearly turning around in our favor, is the best course of action. It seems insane to me to surrender Iraq to terrorists who will use it as a headquarters to kill us, control our oil supply and have unlimited funds to fund operations against our homeland from the oil they will be able to sell.
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| Mar 22 @ 9:09 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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DR.....you should have shame all around you for stating these lies!
Iraq and Al Queda not linked
Report shows how Dumbya and others linked Al Queda and Saddam
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| Mar 22 @ 11:49 PM |
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MotownManiax
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 OK, who let luck in here? 
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MotownManiax
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Yep, DR, I understand the dynamics of the situation in GW1; how it was almost impossible for George Sr to expand the mission and take Saddam out. He didn't have the domestic or international support to go all the way to Baghdad. Too bad, too, because Saddam really thought he was finished. We let him off the hook right when we were "this" close to finishing things once and for all.
I just thought the minute anti-Saddam forces started to revolt (after we urged them and all but promised military support) and then we stood by and watched them get wiped out....well, it just got my blood boiling. I thought to myself, yet another case of chickening out when it really mattered.
I also thought it ironic we finally DID go in, we didn’t have the same level of support of our allies from GW1. We pretty much did it on our own; the rest of the world be damned kind of mentality. I just wish we had those cojones 12 years earlier.
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| Mar 23 @ 12:42 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I understand the dynamics of the situation in GW1;
The Gulf War nomenclature and "Military Operation" names tend to be confusing. I wish we would centralize on nomenclature like "UN War I: Korea, UN War II: Kuwait, UN War III: Iraq, Nato War I: Kosovo, and etc.
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bamagary
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this topic. is more fox news and bush cheney lies.
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| Jun 30 @ 10:59 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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bamagary.....I suppose you do not know but the MODS do not like old threads from months ago put back on the front page. Unless it is an issue that becomes current again and is relevant! Thus pushing threads people are still commenting on off the number one page! I hope you understand.
I am sure you will be getting a nod from the Mod if you continue this....you can be sure of it!
Others have done this and received the wrath of the Mods terrible swift tongue!
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Angel54214
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Maybe this update will help.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008024853_binladen30.html?syndication=rss
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| Jul 2 @ 8:45 PM |
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Ginstl
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An analysis by Newsmax identified several documents with critical evidence of Saddam’s close ties to al-Qaida that were overlooked or ignored by the report’s authors, however
Why isn't the Bush administration using this alledgedly factual information to support it's position on Iraq?
simply don't see how you can support the position that withdrawing now, in the middle of a war that we are now clearly turning around in our favor, is the best course of action. It seems insane to me to surrender Iraq to terrorists who will use it as a headquarters to kill us, control our oil supply and have unlimited funds to fund operations against our homeland from the oil they will be able to sell.
Don't worry, We aren't going anywhere due to the fact that the big oil companies are sealing the deal on control of Iraq's oil.
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| Jul 2 @ 9:21 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Actually, Iraq told Big Oil to shove it. Said they're tired of taking it without a reach-around. Talks fell apart yesterday. Al-Maliki is between a rock and a hard place. Washington is pressuring them to accede to Big Oil, and Al-Sadr will overthrow the government if they do.
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