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| Mar 24 @ 3:49 AM |
Mc Cain=end of days, endless wars, tax cuts for the rich, and Us instability
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onoudn
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Mc Cain has had it easy so far. There hasn't been as much scrutiny on him as the rest of the candidates. For instance, the media has given him a free pass on seeking the endorsement of one of the most controversial spiritual leaders in the world, John Hagee. Now here's a pastor that blamed Katrina on gays, stated that he was bringing slavery back to his congregation, has spoken disparagingly about Catholics, and wants a President that will bring about the end of the world.
If Mc Cain becomes President we can look forward to four more years of the failed policies of Bush. He has stated that he will sustain Bush's illegal war in Iraq indefinitely He has stated that he doesn't really know that much about the economy. He switched his position on tax cuts for the rich, in order to win the Republican nomination. The only thing to be said for sure about his candidacy is that it's in a state of flux.
What I liked most about Mc Cain was that he was his own man. But in his quest to become President he has compromised his "maverick" persona in favor of an overly gracious bureaucratic desperately seeking to unite a party that , for the most part, doesn't trust him. He is at odds with himself, the party, and, therefore, the restoration of the overall stability this country so critically needs at this unprecedented time in our history.
[Edited on 3/24/2008 4:01 AM]
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| Mar 24 @ 4:09 AM |
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twotall911
Posts: 12,688
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dont forget he's unstable
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| Mar 24 @ 5:50 AM |
Mc Cain=end of days, endless wars, tax cuts for the rich, and Us instability
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Gentlegiant127
Posts: 1,037
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I wouldn't say McCain has had it easy, check this link.
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| Mar 24 @ 7:46 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
Posts: 4,938
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Bush's illegal war in Iraq
This statement, is of course, extremely factually challenged, as in canard, a whopper, something that lacks a foundation in truth, and if you were younger than ten years old, would get you placed with your nose in a corner for not being truthful.
I guess you forgot that both Congress and the United Nations Security Council voted to authorize the War in Iraq?
Or do you just intend to El Toro Caca your way through life making propaganda statements in an attempt to sway the unlearned and easily influenced ones?
I expect more from you than to depart from facts like this.
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| Mar 24 @ 9:08 AM |
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SaintDL
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so when u diss mc cain u mean to say u just want to withdraw troops irresponsibily, to have sacrificed more then 4000 good american soldiers who fought for their country, to die in vain. to get every progress so far go back ground zero, to waste blood for nothing.
with current environmental pollution, raising food price, less arable lands, we need safe grounds on which for new power sources. how do we get clean power with terrorism threatening to blow up every power plant that have english words and people speakign speakign english in it?
so US suffered a setback, now you wanted US to suffer those setback for nothing and just withdraw?
i don't know how you see it but u and your peopel have a bigger impact on the world then u think. it isnt just economy, it is more. right now what america is doing might determine if the next generation can have a peaceful world to love in, that if our next generation will find a solution to global warming and embrace clean energy without power plants exploding and your loved ones blow his/her head off while taking a vacation in the carribean.
and withdrawing irresponsibly or not winnig this war can have far more drastic consequences. notice how the US have no say over Myanmar? Notice how Communism have slowly stepped over liberty and incvading more parts of the world? If the war isn't ended with a win, liberty may start its slow decline into nothingness. and the rest of the world would no longer have a free country to look onto as an example.
taking government into view, no one government in the world has ever come clean before. but that doesnt mean we should be cheering the ones with the fancy speeches on. sometimes when nothing can be seen, (no explosions in the streets to remind u of terrorism) then maybe people have worked hard in the background to prevent that from happening.
to be able to see isnt always right. while bush really isn't awesome, might i ask which one president have had planes crashing into their towers after he stepped up, and major world vents happening around him one after another with natural disasters following.
what can be seen here is the world taking technology for granted and becomign complacent. the world as a whole. nobody f***ing expects planes to crash into towers, nobody expects hurricanes and tsunamis, particularly so when it hasn't killed more then 100 people over the last 10 years. human nature and complacency. so instead of putting someone in authority to blame, why not ask what is best and what we can do?
im not saying who u support is lousy. im just saying lets not all follow the trend of hating blindly. im saying lets not blame the police who cannot stop the robber but instead, know that the robber is to be blamed for the robbery.
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| Mar 24 @ 10:15 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Yes, that is correct.
Both Democrat candidates want to surrender to Al Qaeda in Iraq, just at the point where we are making tremendous progress in the war against Islamic fascism, emboldening them and turning Iraq over to our terrorist enemies and their Iranian sponsor so they can set up shop without challenge, plan more attacks against our homeland, cut off our oil supplies and use that oil to provide nearly unlimited funds to do it all with.
How did you ever come up with a strategy like THAT Sherlock? 
Vote McCain. The Democrats are brain dead.
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| Mar 24 @ 10:24 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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| Mar 24 @ 10:28 AM |
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onoudn
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The war is too expensive for one thing. For another Iraq never had weapons of mass destruction, so the premise for invading that country was a lie. Most other country have brought their troop home already. Iraq needs to stand on it's own, it's way past time. Yes, the Democrats want to bring our troops home, as do most Americans. It's bankrupting our country. Then there's that whole thing about more troops being killed because Bush is so inept, and stubborn he won't listen to the Generals who are fighting the war. I can't recall a time when so many Generals have come out in opposition to a war.
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| Mar 24 @ 11:22 AM |
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DiamondRain
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If it wasn't so serious, it would be hysterical to hear the talk coming from Democrats claiming that we have to surrender to Al Qaeda in Iraq because the war is too expensive.
It's the latest in their endless list of excuses about why we should surrender to Islamic fascism: we don't know where they are, we can't beat them anyway. Now that we DO know where they are and we ARE beating them, Democrats turn to this laughable excuse that the war is too expensive.
The war is too expensive?
In 50 years, I’ve never heard a peep out of Democrats about the cost of ANYTHING.
Democrats spend 24 hours a day thinking up new ways to spend more taxpayer money on corrupt and inept government programs and take EVEN MORE of what taxpayers earn from the sweat of their brows.
Suddenly they are concerned about government spending?! Yeah, .... OK then.
National defense is the most important and most legitimate function of government. Without physical security, none of the other things we all enjoy in this country matter.
And just what do you think the cost of SURRENDERING in Iraq will be? You think it will be less then the cost of finishing the job we have already made good progress on?
Abandoning the fight now will lead to FAR HIGHER COSTS.
By surrendering to Islamic fascism and taking the pressure off the enemy in Iraq, we will be emboldening the enemy with renewed vigor to regroup and redouble their terrorist activities, creating a geographically and strategically perfect place for them to set up shop, providing them with a source of nearly unlimited funding from oil revenues and allowing them to control our oil supply.
What do you think the cost will be when they use this gift to wage more attacks right here in our home, force us to have to go back to the Middle East again to face a strengthened and fortified army in Iraq, and cause the price of our oil to skyrocket to heights that can only be imagined in a nightmare?
What would be the cost in our treasure and our lives if that happens?
Few people are paying more of their personal money for our battle in Iraq than I am. I don’t like paying it. I don’t like war.
But Islamic terrorists declared war on this country and demonstrated that they are able to carry out catastrophic murders of our own civilians in our own land.
Our Islamic terrorist enemies have vowed to kill MILLIONS more of our citizens within our own borders using horrific weapons of murder and attacks on school children at our schools. They are already doing these things in other countries around the world that have shown the terrorists that they were not willing to stand up to them.
I’ll be damned if I am going to support taking the pressure off of these terrorists and have to see my family, my friends or my fellow citizens slaughtered again because it’s “too expensive” to stop them.
It isn’t that we cannot afford the war in Iraq. It is that we cannot afford NOT to fight it.
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[Edited on 3/24/2008 12:11 PM]
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| Mar 24 @ 12:03 PM |
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Bj864
Posts: 3,054
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Mc Cain has had it easy so far. There hasn't been as much scrutiny on him as the rest of the candidates. For instance, the media has given him a free pass on seeking the endorsement of one of the most controversial spiritual leaders in the world, John Hagee. Now here's a pastor that blamed Katrina on gays, stated that he was bringing slavery back to his congregation, has spoken disparagingly about Catholics, and wants a President that will bring about the end of the world.
If Mc Cain becomes President we can look forward to four more years of the failed policies of Bush. He has stated that he will sustain Bush's illegal war in Iraq indefinitely He has stated that he doesn't really know that much about the economy. He switched his position on tax cuts for the rich, in order to win the Republican nomination. The only thing to be said for sure about his candidacy is that it's in a state of flux.
What I liked most about Mc Cain was that he was his own man. But in his quest to become President he has compromised his "maverick" persona in favor of an overly gracious bureaucratic desperately seeking to unite a party that , for the most part, doesn't trust him. He is at odds with himself, the party, and, therefore, the restoration of the overall stability this country so critically needs at this unprecedented time in our history.
 I agree with all the above remarks.
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| Mar 24 @ 12:10 PM |
Mc Cain=end of days, endless wars, tax cuts for the rich, and Us instability
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onoudn
Posts: 3,711
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thanks and it nice to see that people are mature enough to disagree without making it personal
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| Mar 24 @ 2:33 PM |
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SensualGemini
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<>...Unlike most candidates for Commander in Chief, or many past Presidents, even as a Senator, McCain stands behind his decisions with all that he has of value.
<>...As much as I dislike the loss of lives, the fact is, our actual death loss is about average per military capita, even before this war.
<>...The war is not illegal and there were WMD's... ask the Kurds, check out Fallujah ll.
<>...We have almost a $10 trillion dollar debt, the war has cost $650 billion... where did the rest go?
<>...Obama will have our military in Africa, fighting for the Muslim juhadists... check out his support for Odinga.
What I liked most about Mc Cain was that he was his own man.
...Absolutely! ... and still is.
...What I don't like about his policy, is support of any Illegal amnesty program. Yet, he is not nearly as liberal as Obama's and not certain of where Hillary stands today... after all, it is Monday and a new day.
[Edited on 3/24/2008 4:24 PM]
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| Mar 24 @ 4:30 PM |
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MotownManiax
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The amazing thing is, with Bush's approval ratings the worst of his presidency, and one of the lowest in history, and a Recession staring us in the face, McCain could actually still win. The Obama vs Hillary factions are committing political suicide; literally tearing each other apart. This election should be gift-wrapped for the Dems, but they refuse to take the ring. They seem bound and determined to grab failure from the jaws of victory.
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| Mar 24 @ 4:42 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Last summer, McCain was being counted out by all the political pundits AND the majority of the public. He was so far down in the polls, they weren't asking whether Clinton, Edwards or Obama would win against him. Now he's the GOP nominee. Who knows where we'll be come November? OPEC has already told Bush and Cheney both that they will not reduce oil prices in response to their pleas. It could be that OPEC is under pressure internally by less-than-moderate factions who agree that Western influence should be removed from Muslim lands, and see manipulating our economy with oil prices as a way to make the Republicans look terrible on the economy and get a Democrat in office who likely will be more amenable to negotiations about fewer forces in the Middle East. This is a very dynamic election cycle with many, many variable issues at work, and its far to early to forecast that the Democrats have lost come November. The numbers that hasn't changed significantly over quite some time now are the numbers of people who think that we are on the wrong course in this country and that change is needed. If the Democrat manages to show that McCain plans to stay the course but they are for change, it will turn back around. A lot will just plain depend on timing, given no major global incidents popping up between now and then. Right now, people don't like either of the Democrats becuase of the bickering. Whether or not they can pull the Democratic party and independents back together between the conventions and November will mean a lot more to the election than who would win this week.
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I have seen more posts than I care to count by people on both sides wanting to declare that this contest is over. All such pronouncements are premature. The day before the election, one can make predictions but that is all they will be, predictions.
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| Mar 24 @ 5:44 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Knight: It could be that OPEC is under pressure internally by less-than-moderate factions who agree that Western influence should be removed from Muslim lands, and see manipulating our economy with oil prices as a way to make the Republicans look terrible on the economy and get a Democrat in office who likely will be more amenable to negotiations about fewer forces in the Middle East.
...Oil is priced by demand and greed... and they are going to get whatever they can get. To say that a Democrat will "sell" out US policy for a price, does not say much for the party itself.
...Besides, I thought Congress made the laws?
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...Initially, I never cared much for McCain and it was mostly over his thoughts and voting on immigration and Illegal issues. And of course, I still disagree with him on that front and concerned that as head of the Executive branch, that like those before, he will refuse or stall in the execution of our laws.
...But, it is not his job as President to make laws and his most important responsibility is to be the Commander in Chief. And this is where McCain shines over any other candidate. Push come to shove with the Dems in running, or either the Dems or Reps otherwise, he has the experience, the knowledge and unlike most before, he puts it all on the line.
...Although the media talks about McCain's younger son, a Marine and now in Afghanistan, McCain has two sons in the military and the elder son just returned from his third Iraq tour. In an interview, McCain was asked why this has not came out before and he simply said, "it was a family matter and not the media's business."
He is not Bush...
...John McCain received the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart, and the Distinguished Flying Cross and not only from a long line of military family, but should he become the US President, he will be the first since Roosevelt to have a son(s) serving in combat during a war.
...Unlike most politicians and especially those now running for the presidency, he has integrity and even at 70, plenty of fight left in him.
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| Mar 24 @ 6:00 PM |
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MotownManiax
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Yep SG....lest people forget, McCain was all but dead a few months ago. He could have easily bagged it and dropped out, but by sheer determination and will he plowed forward. I admire that most about him. We will never have the perfect candidate, but he's proven able to weather some very rough times and emerge victorious. I would have no problem if he wins the presidency. I just don't believe he'll have the political support to stay in Iraq for years and years, though.
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| Mar 24 @ 6:13 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Mo, why are we still in Japan, Korea, Germany, etc.? Actually, we have troops in places that most people have never heard of. If we do stay in Iraq, McCain will have a far different plan than has been thus far and I don't expect to hear him release any concepts before the fact.
Here is something that most do not realize either.... scroll down to page 10.
Military deaths in war operations...
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| Mar 24 @ 6:16 PM |
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Nightowl001
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...Oil is priced by demand and greed... and they are going to get whatever they can get. To say that a Democrat will "sell" out US policy for a price, does not say much for the party itself.
??? The oil embargo by OPEC during the 70s certainly wasn't driven by demand and greed. And if OPEC, under internal pressures, said tomorrow that they are reinstituting an embargo until we withdraw from all Muslim lands, because the current OPEC leaders would like to STAY in power, what would be the smartest thing to do? Invade all of OPEC and commandeer the oil and enrage the entire Muslim world, suffer immeasurable economic damage until we can find enough other sources to supply us, or negotiate? What "policy" would we be "selling out" to negotiate? Presidents should make foreign policy decisions that reflect changing situations and conditions and make decisions that are to the greatest benefit of the American People. Do you really think that if OPEC cut us off and there was NO gas for people to get to work (I remember the "out of gas" signs in the 70s), and the President agreed to pull out of Mulsim lands to get the oil flowing again that Congress would have more than a third of members voting against that? Given the economic situation of the world, an OPEC being paid by China and the emerging markets would have a lot more leverage to stay out of selling to us than we would have by saying we won't buy from them. Somebody needs to realize we can't just "run the world" the way we want to. We don't have that much power. We really don't.
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| Mar 24 @ 6:23 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Still sound like it all surrounds greed to me Knight.
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| Mar 24 @ 6:47 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Alright, I suppose I should have given a more in depth reply Knight. Just finished up financials and I am a bit brain dead.
...Let's see... first, the leaders of OPEC, with the exception of Saudi Arabia, are not going anyplace by the people and I doubt if the Saudi leaders will either, or the US will intervene.
...United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs has some influence on said foreign affairs, but the House should have equal influence as any other bill. The President does negotiate treaties with foreign countries, but has to be ratified by 2/3 Senate vote, which negates the need for House participation. Yet, only Congress can declare war and only Congress can release the fund to support any war.
...Many people, including Congress itself, give way to much power to one guy and seem to forget there are 533 other members responsible for our government.
...I will totally agree, that the US needs to move away from dependence on foreign oil (OPEC) and in some of these "pork bills," either party could start this movement. Rare started a thread, Energy Independence, that had some decent ideas and concepts.
...One should ask the party that is pointing the finger at the other for not moving away from foreign oil, of why they are not bringing alternatives to the table in Congress? 
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