| Apr 1 @ 3:09 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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lj450
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I just saw this on CNN. Holy cow!!! Less than 1 out of 4 kids going to school in Detroit, MI will ever receive a diploma!!
The highest in the nation was somewhere in AZ......77.1%.
Wow.....I remember when getting an education actually meant something. 
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| Apr 1 @ 3:12 PM |
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budo13
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with all the entititlements given by the government who needs an education anymore.
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| Apr 1 @ 3:13 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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Heaveninawildflower
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Not Phoenix...heard on the radio this morning that it's 58% here.
My oldest son dropped out way back when...I think he gave up when some of his classmates didn't even know who was POTUSA. When he decided to get his GED, he just walked in and took the test. It's a shame when a kid ends up dropping out because he really can't stand the stupidity of it all.
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| Apr 1 @ 3:19 PM |
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lj450
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I think it was Mesa. Not sure though.
Like Chris Rock said about GED.......You mean to tell me I can make up 4 yrs of high school in 6 hrs!!! Sign me up!!!
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| Apr 1 @ 3:24 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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SensualGemini
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...Dang, I knew it was bad, that America was dummying down, but not this bad.
The Education Week report shows Detroit's public high schools will graduate only 25 percent of their students. Cleveland, Ohio, and Baltimore, Maryland, will graduate less than 35 percent; Dallas, Texas, New York and Los Angeles, California, about 45 percent. In fact, 10 of our nation's biggest cities will graduate fewer than half their students. This is nothing less than a national crisis. The Alliance also reports that dropouts not only earn less money but also drain state and federal budgets through their dependence on social and welfare programs. Those students who drop out make up nearly half the heads of households on welfare, and they constitute almost half of our prison population as well. The cost to our society is overwhelming. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/19/Dobbs.June20/ |
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| Apr 1 @ 3:27 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Less than 1 out of 4 kids going to school in Detroit, MI will ever receive a diploma!!
Now, lets get technical here, which school are we talking about?
I imagine it is the Detroit public shool.
The problem with a GED is some colleges will not except them. The thing is to get the GED and then for around 10 more credits get the diploma.
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| Apr 1 @ 3:30 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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Say_Yes
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Unfortunately, it is not all that surprising. According to the research company that I use, in my work, 30.30% of adults (age 25 & above) living in Detroit, don't have a high school education (or a GED). Nationally, 19.38% of Americans age 25 & above lack a high school education. This lack of education, just continues the cycle of poverty.
In 2007, 21.94% of families in Detroit have incomes that fall below the poverty level. By comparison, the national poverty rate for families is 9.23%. While being educated, is no guarantee of being wealthy, being uneducated, makes being poor almost a certainty these days.
Decisions have consequences and choosing to drop out of school, VERY often results, in a lifetime of poverty. While it is not a conscious decision on their part to be poor (i.e. to drop out of school, such that they will live in poverty for a lifetime), the results are there to be seen.
Of course, anyone can see a problem and discuss the result. The question should be, what can we as a society do about it? How can we encourage children to stay in school, get an education and prepare themselves for a better life? Personally, I don't have an answer for that. I wish that I did.
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| Apr 1 @ 3:34 PM |
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kattsmeow
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It does start with the parents. From the time these children are born.
A parent needs to also find a good school for their children. In Michigan you have school of choice!
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| Apr 1 @ 3:39 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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Heaveninawildflower
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For my son, he's never been out of work a day in his life. When he dropped out, I told him not to expect people to be knocking on the door offering him jobs. No lie, as soon as I said that the phone rang and it was of course, somebody offering him a job. Well, at least it wasn't a knock on the door.
p.s. I think there's a move on to standardize how they determine dropouts - there are apparently reporting variations that can skew the figures.
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| Apr 1 @ 4:42 PM |
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lj450
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It seems pretty simple to me......if you do not attend high school long enough to graduate (complete the required curriculum).....then you are a drop out.
Its great if someone can forego an education and immediately join the workforce (or armed forces) and contribute to society, but they still remain, largely, uneducated.
Unless you count the school of hard knocks.
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| Apr 1 @ 5:11 PM |
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kattsmeow
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armed forces, you have to have graduated from there any more.
Even then you have to take tests to see if you can pass to get in.
Of course, I am thinking of before the war too. I know a couple of young men that graduatated and still couldn't get in the military
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| Apr 1 @ 5:23 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Katt: It does start with the parents. From the time these children are born.
...  Yes, it seems like we beat this one to death in some other thread?
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Heaven: Well, at least it wasn't a knock on the door.
...  ... That was cute, but you knew and know this is not a normality for most.
p.s. I think there's a move on to standardize how they determine dropouts
...One can only imagine... especially if it is like the No Child Left Behind statistics that now graduates those without the skills to do 5th grade math... then what education do the drop outs in these cities have?
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LJ: Its great if someone can forego an education and immediately join the workforce (or armed forces) and contribute to society, but they still remain, largely, uneducated.
...Every apprenticeship program I know in the trades, requires a HS diploma and not certain now, but prior to Iraq, it was difficult to enter the military without one and that was only with the Army branch.
...Here in Illinois, a college Bachelor's degree is required for the State Polics and even several Fire Departments.
...All I can say is ... "Welcome to Wal-Mart."
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| Apr 1 @ 8:15 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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All I can say is ... "Welcome to Wal-Mart."
Well, not always SG. I was a college dropout, and it could well be that my son followed my example except for stopping a year earlier. He spent a lot of years working for his father, but finally broke free about five years ago, taking a civil service job. He's making just about double what he started with based on tests he's taken qualifying him for promotions and raises. Education doesn't stop in school, mine didn't and his hasn't.
Are our schools helping or hurting our kids? Home schooling's an old idea that's now a new idea, but even though my son was in a public school, that didn't mean we didn't discuss history, physics, current events, and just about anything else you might care to mention. Then he'd go to school and encounter things he'd already known for years. Granted he's 42 now, but somehow I don't think things have gotten a lot better. One of his problems then was being terrorized - he played dumb to play safe, staying under the radar. How many kids are like my son - dropping out not because they're stupid but because they're targets?
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| Apr 1 @ 9:00 PM |
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kattsmeow
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One of his problems then was being terrorized - he played dumb to play safe, staying under the radar. How many kids are like my son - dropping out not because they're stupid but because they're targets?
Yep, my oldest was like this until he went to a different school. he came home the first day and yelled, " I found my people"! I thought I would fall off my chair. His grades went from failing to at least a c average. It was a 4 county vocational school where he took commercial art.
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| Apr 1 @ 9:31 PM |
Detroit, MI averages 24.9% graduation rate from high school
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lefthandedluckie
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I know I will catch it for what I am about to say but, so be it!
There is a "direct" correlation between single-parent households and school drop-outs! It is just a fact a household with two parents and a supporting structure the children do better in every aspect of life!
I am not saying there are not good single parents. But, there are many single parents that are not doing the job of good parenting! The ones doing real good with their children are a distinct minority!
There are many reasons for this breakdown in our society. Single parents, lack of good supervision, religion, love, discipline and the list goes on!
Is there an end in sight...NO!! Can it be ended? In my opinion it can be. But, is the billions of dollars available to sustain the movement of our society from.....to....?
I consider myself very fortunate....I grew up in a 2 parent household!
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| Apr 1 @ 9:45 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Two good parents yes, one trying to do everything when the other one's a drunk, and/or abusive? Better to have just one.
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| Apr 1 @ 10:53 PM |
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blueyes101
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We can blame the schools ( they are bad ) we can blame society ( bad too ) we can blame the parents ( this is a toss up ), why don't we blame the kids.
IT IS A FREE EDUCATION !!!!!!!!!!!!! All they have to do is show up and pay attention.
For some reason they see no value in a education.
Drug dealers and strippers, rappers all make more money in one day than many make in a week.
There is also the fact, many of the families in Detroit are on public assistance, so, if no education is needed to get free money, a place to live, and money for food, and damn near everyone you know is doing it, why bother go to school, and learn anything, do anything, after all, they are all smarter than we are. ( just ask them )
All they have to do is have sex, and move on. And take a look at the mayor, and his scandal, and he is showing the entire city, I can do whatever I want, and the someone else ( the city ) will pay for it, it is not my fault, and even if it is, so what I'm black, and this is racist. Quit picking on me.
This is what they are learning, ( while not in school ) they figure they don't need to attend school to be a liar.
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| Apr 1 @ 10:54 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Lefty: There are many reasons for this breakdown in our society. Single parents, lack of good supervision, religion, love, discipline and the list goes on!
...Mostly, because the single parent is not involved, often gone and doing their "adult" thing. The single parents, including myself, that have devoted most all their time to raising their kids, don't have near the issues.
...It is one thing to tell a kid they need to do something and entirely a different situation when you take the time to do it with them. I know that I have been through High School at least 5 times and several times through a good many college courses.
Is there an end in sight...
...As far as I am concerned, they can cease with the forced integration of schools, where children bring adult issues with them. We have discussed this in another thread and the stats all prove that America started dummying down when all kids were thrown into one pool and the ones that want to learn, find it very difficult to do so. I am to the point of segregating the kids that want to learn, by their GPA, from those that don't and with no racial or ethnic preferences.
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Heaven: Education doesn't stop in school, mine didn't and his hasn't.
...Heaven, you and I both know that "normally," that is not the normality for the majority that drop out of HS.
One of his problems then was being terrorized
...That seems to be a huge, ongoing and growing problem in many public schools and especially with forced integration. Most towns are still driving kids from one side of town to the other and many people are moving out, or sending their kids to parochial schools to get away from the ongoing BS that the schools created, but do not stop. I lived it and why I refused to send my kids through it.
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| Apr 1 @ 11:42 PM |
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nah12
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here is probably what you saw on CNN today:
Only 1 of 2 students graduate high school in US cities: study
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Three out of 10 US public school students do not graduate from high school, and major city school districts only graduate one out of two students, according to a study released Tuesday.
In a report on graduation rates around the country, the EPE Research Center and the America Promise Alliance also showed that the high school graduation rate -- finishing 12 grades of school -- in big cities falls to as low as just 34.6 percent in Baltimore, Maryland, and barely over 40 percent for the troubled Ohio cities of Columbus and Cleveland.
And it said that black and native American student's have effectively a one-in-two chance of getting a high school diploma.
"Our analysis finds that graduating from high school in America's largest cities amounts, essentially, to a coin toss," the study said.
"Only about one-half (52 percent) of students in the principal school systems of the 50 largest cities complete high school with a diploma."
Based on 2003-2004 data, the report said that across the country the graduation average for public school students is 69.9 percent, with the best success rate in suburbs -- 74.9 percent -- and rural districts -- 73.2 percent.
Asian-Americans score the highest graduation rate, at 80 percent, with whites at 76.2 percent and Hispanics at 57.8 percent.
Women graduate at a much higher rate than men, 73.6 percent to 66.0 percent.
In the country's city schools, the study found that in urban areas generally, just 60.4 percent graduate, and in the principal school districts of the top 50 cities, barely half graduate.
Detroit, Michigan's main school district scored a graduation rate of 24.9 percent.
New York, the country's largest city, has a graduation rate for its main school district of 45.2 percent, and Los Angeles, the second largest, of 45.3 percent.
Only five of the principal school districts topped the national average.
and people want to argue there are enough skilled works in the US and will continue to be enough.....not with these drop out rates...much less US education testing scores compared to the rest of the worlds.......
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| Apr 2 @ 1:01 AM |
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Jankia
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So what do we do about it?
I suggest we keep kids in school by giving them more options vocationally.
Back in the late sixties and early seventies a highschool graduate could get into many vocations without further education.Today you cant unless your licensed through advanced training.
Start that advanced training in highschool.Basic training in History,English and Science is taught well enough in the lower grades for most.Alot of these kids that are dropouts need education in what they can use most beneficially after school.
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