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Blondino
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The AMBER Alert Program is a voluntary partnership between law-enforcement agencies, broadcasters, transportation agencies, and the wireless industry, to activate an urgent bulletin in the most serious child-abduction cases. The goal of an AMBER Alert is to instantly galvanize the entire community to assist in the search for and the safe recovery of the child.
Under the American Amber Alert scheme nearly 400 children have been recovered since 2003
sounds great ....  I never knew about this till recently
The parents of Madeleine McCann have urged European leaders to implement a missing child alert system throughout the continent - saying it may have helped find their daughter.
Amber Alert would see information on abductions - including details of the child and any suspected offender - released to the media within minutes.
Details would also be sent to customs, transport and law enforcement agencies.
Kate McCann said, if the system had been in place last May when Madeleine disappeared, the chances of her being found "would have been higher".
Her husband Gerry said it would also take the onus off parents having to raise the profile of a disappearance at a time when they are traumatised.
The McCanns say a Europe-wide scheme is essential because offenders can rapidly cross borders and the quick release of information is essential to stop abductors getting away.
Opinions please on how effective Amber Alert is and do you think it would work in Europe .... I think language would be a bit of a problem as there are 30-40 main languages spoken as mother tongue in Europe .. 
For me .. anything that works to protect our children is worth implementing
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 9:34 AM |
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yashaenka
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The Amber alert program can work anywhere. Countries in Europe are simply like our states except that most people speak more than one language. What it does is simply to bring citizens into the equation to use their eyes and ears and has a very multiplying effect for law enforcement as it can be done without exposing you as the source.
A side of this is to combat pedophilia here in the states and here new laws were created and adopted for at least 47-48 states that carry minimum sentences to defray liberal judges tendency to allow lesser sentences for these types of perpetrators.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 9:41 AM |
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Blondino
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Countries in Europe are simply like our states
well not really as they have different police systems .. different laws ... different culture and language ... They are different countries as opposed to part of one country
... they would have to agree to work together as one ......
In the case of the MacCanns .... it was felt that Portugese law greatly hampered the search ...... as well as the very different culture ( allegedly )
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 9:52 AM |
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eastham
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Indeed, criminal law is not is not considered an "EU competence." Perhaps this is something that Interpol can negotiate. Interpol has had a number of key successes in securing the arrest of pedophiles. This sounds like something they can use their good offices to realize.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:06 AM |
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yashaenka
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For the EU to evolve and to serve the purpose it was intended all the individual countries [states] need to have agreements of mutual support as our states do. Laws need to be written at the EU [federal} level where a criminal who crosses country [or state] lines falls under Federal jurisdiction where the penalties are far greater.
I agree Interpol with their vast database is a starting point as even here Interpol is tied into our FBI and other agencies by computer.
When it comes to children the vigilantly method of old often comes to mind.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:07 AM |
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Blondino
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Efforts two years ago to introduce the same system failed to get sufficient support to succeed. But hopes are high that losing Madeleine will help galvanise full backing in the European Parliament and from EU governments.
it failed 2006 .....
By contrast Europe can only claim limited success in cross-border co-operation, with only a patchwork of partial national monitoring systems.
European data-sharing on child abduction cases is limited and only Belgium and France have introduced national child alert systems by flashing up electronic missing child information on motorway signboards within 30 minutes of a confirmed abduction.
Additionally, bulletins are triggered and radio and TV stations interrupt existing programming in the first hours after a case is notified.
The McCann's declaration for having such a system introduced has been drafted by a group of Euro MPs including European Parliament Vice President Edward McMillan-Scott.
Mr McMillan-Scott said: "This is not about legislation but about political will. Some 130,000 children go missing in Europe every year and the police have to sit through the reports and sort out which are the abduction cases. They need as much cooperation as possible".
Hopefully agreements can be reached for the sake & benefit of all  there seems no reason not to just do it 
difficulty would be in dealing with countries like Romania  who have a lot of child abuse and child porn , child sex trade .... child neglect ......
how they were allowed in with that record is beyond me
[Edited on 4/10/2008 10:27 AM]
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:21 AM |
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eastham
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Both France and Belgium have had horrific child abduction cases in recent years. The kidnapping, rape and sale of Laetitia Delhez and Sabine Dardenne to a pedophile sex ring by Marc Dutroux (Dutroux also murdered two teenagers, whose bodies were found buried behind his house) galvanized Belgium to revisit its child protection laws. Belgium has spearheaded an on-going dialogue with France, Sweden and the UK to help develop streamlined laws in EU member countries. Hopefully, this system is one of the items on the table.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:27 AM |
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I thought they had decided the parents did it.
Or maybe that was another euro-napping. 
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:28 AM |
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Blondino
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I thought they had decided the parents did it.
nope never was decided ..... they were official suspects .... Portugal allows many people to be announced as official suspects
Whispering campaigns in the media did the rest what media will stoop to for sales
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:37 AM |
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DiamondRain
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I have mixed feelings about the Amber Alert system.
On one hand it's great that it saves children.
On the other hand I don't like the idea that you deputize thousands of amateur snoops who stick their noses into other peoples' business.
Bottom line, I suppose I support it if it is really that effective.
But I'm not sure I believe the statistics. And I'd also like to know about how many cases of abuse of the system have happened. I can imagine plenty of ways it could be abused, such as a woman who wanted to have her husband arrested out of spite and reported the kid kidnapped when the kid actually wasn't. This stuff happens all the time, and the Amber Alert make the ABUSE potentially more effective too.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 10:57 AM |
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Nightowl001
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On the other hand I don't like the idea that you deputize thousands of amateur snoops who stick their noses into other peoples' business.
Then you shouldn't have a problem, as it doesn't "deputize" anybody. All it does is broadcast the alert that a child is missing, and gives a description and sometimes circumstances surrounding the situation, so that more people might be aware of what to look for. A white pickup speeds down the street and you notice it's going fast. When you glance at it out of curiosity, you notice it has out-of-state plates. Then you see a little girl looking out the back window. Then you think, "What a jerk to drive like that with his kid in the car," and you go on with what you were doing. But if you knew a little girl had been seen being abducted by someone in a white pickup with plates from that state, you'll notify law enforcement. It might just be a jerk driving like that with his kid in the truck, but it might be the tip that leads law enforcement to more rapidly apprehend someone who is doing something wrong.
It could work in Europe, but they would need a different transmission system than we have here. Perhaps the chief law enforcement agency in each country would receive the notice by fax or something, and they would be given authority to broadcast the information in that country.. The amber alert program was fairly easy to implement here because it used the existing civil defense broadcast networks. I don't know how many, if any, countries in Europe have similar systems or how much it would take to set up a system from scratch. But I think it would be worth a significant effort and expense if they would agree to all work together on it.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:01 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I'd feel better about it if I didn't see just lovely white children getting broadcast as "missing", but when I check the Center for Missing and Exploited Children's website, I see more black, Hispanic, Asian, and Middle Eastern missing children than anything else.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:15 AM |
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Blondino
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I 'd feel better about it if I didn't see just lovely white children getting broadcast as "missing", but when I check the Center for Missing and Exploited Children's website, I see more black, Hispanic, Asian, and Middle Eastern missing children than anything else.
are you saying only good looking white kids are
broadcast as missing on Amber Alert ?
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:17 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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that's been my experience.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:18 AM |
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Blondino
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anyone else feel the same .... ????
I will mail you some private thoughts LGQ that I cannot say on here ...
we have one case where the child was found recently ...  she seems well but
the trith about what she suffered at the hands of perverts will stay with her forever
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:29 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Out here they have Amber alerts on the freeways. Actually, out here they are either Hispanic or Black children missing.
I also get them on my MySpace for my area too.
I think it is a wonderful idea.
Haban reminded me that CSAA (AAA in No Calif & Nevada) passes Amber Alert info to its network of 1700 tow trucks using the in-car computers they have for dispatching. They've accounted for 3 children recovered since 2004. I'm not sure if other AAA clubs do the same thing, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:30 AM |
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SensualGemini
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...The Amber Alert is totally voluntary in the US between law enforcement agencies and broadcasters to release an urgent bulletin for the most serious of child abduction cases.
...Their website says they receive no government funding....
Code Amber is made possible by public participation, we receive no government funding. http://www.codeamber.org/alerts.html
...Yet, the US Justice Department shows 2005 funding at $5 million...
-AMBER Alert: $1,000,000 increase is requested for a total of $5,000,000 for the AMBER Alert Program.... http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2004/February/04_ag_062.htm
...Regardless, any law enforcement agency that has a missing child report could easily mass fax, mass email all local broadcasting stations... but it is the broadcaster that will decide what they will interrupt programming to broadcast.
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:31 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Frankly I think there should only be alerts for black kids.
After all, haven't white people had enough of the good life?
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:37 AM |
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Blondino
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Out here they have Amber alerts on the freeways. Actually, out here they are either Hispanic or Black children missing.
thanks Katt hoping this does go through
There are International Paedophile Rings Operate in the countries with laxest laws & slowest response time , like Portugal .... and target little blondes ....
I had not heard all those things till today
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| Apr 10, 2008 @ 11:39 AM |
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beckyiv42000
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LGQ its not only the whites ... trust me in Cali they have Amber Alerts for ANY child that is abducted from custodial parent or guardian and the info is flashed on the fwy signs etc and on the TV...you can even get them on your cell .. EVERY RACE LGQ ... we just had a case recently with a father abducting the kids after killing the mother and then attempting to flee to mexico .. in fact a lot of the Amber alerts here are for that type of case a parent abducting the child after the parents separate and the abductor taking them to Mexico ...and since well MOST of them are Mexican that kinda blows that whites only thing outta the water...
heres another one parental abduction and they are not good looking whites
if this is happening in your state LGQ it would be something to lobby about to see that ALL children at risk are given equal help
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