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PentatonicPunk
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Got a Minute?
If you think it's a lie...
National Public Debt.
You might wonder who we owe all this money to...
Chart
Do you know what the Federal Reserve actually is? I mean, if it were part of the government, we'd just be paying that money back to ourselves right?
Wouldn't it be fun to learn more?
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| Apr 13 @ 4:15 PM |
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Bj864
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I agree with you that this is a scary situation.
How often do you hear any of the candidates for president mention it?
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| Apr 13 @ 4:26 PM |
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PentatonicPunk
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Ron Paul mentioned it plenty. I guess the media didn't cover him as much as I would have liked...in fact, if anything they tried to make him look like a whacko... hmmm 
Ron Paul
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| Apr 13 @ 4:47 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Punk, I like the way you think. I keep mumbling about our national debt and how that's a lot more dangerous to our security than any gang of terrorists could ever be, but people sooooooo prefer an outside threat to an internal one. Kind of like HItler, when he pointed to the Jews as being the greatest threat to German security so nobody would realize that he was the real threat.
Those who won't look at history are condemned to repeat it.
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| Apr 13 @ 4:58 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Is Punk giving any of the other women an erection? 
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| Apr 13 @ 5:21 PM |
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PentatonicPunk
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Dammit Pam!...I almost spit out my coffee...
I wasn't expecting that in such a *ahem* serious thread.
*harumph*
Ok, I was saying that Ron Paul was trying to get erect...wait, I meant he was trying...*wipes brow* he was running for the office of President of these United States. *whew*
I watched Hannity trash him on Iraq and he hardly let Mr. Paul get a word in edgewise. Fox News, Fair and Balanced <~My Ass!
I keep mumbling about our national debt and how that's a lot more dangerous to our security than any gang of terrorists could ever be, but people sooooooo prefer an outside threat to an internal one
"Propaganda is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified target audiences for ideological, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of one-sided messages (which may or may not be factual) via mass and direct media channels. A propaganda organization employs propagandists who engage in propagandism—the applied creation and distribution of such forms of persuasion."
Richard Alan Nelson, A Chronology and Glossary of Propaganda in the United States, 1996
Terroists are living in your attic...well they will be if we don't spend another billion dollars tonight...or should I say borrow it.... with interest of course.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:29 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Ron Paul's ONLY chance to have been heard would have been to focus on domestic policy only and remain silent about Iraq. His antiwar posture turned many of us off and labeled him a lunatic to us.
For instance, I only speak on topics where there is more or less unanimity of concensus and always avoid the controversial matters and NEVER take a position that would raise either a liberal or conservative eyebrow.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:38 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Humor. It's been a while since you've cracked a joke at yourself. You must have had a good weekend.
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| Apr 13 @ 11:38 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Ron Paul's ONLY chance to have been heard would have been to focus on domestic policy only and remain silent about Iraq. His antiwar posture turned many of us off and labeled him a lunatic to us.
For instance, I only speak on topics where there is more or less unanimity of concensus and always avoid the controversial matters and NEVER take a position that would raise either a liberal or conservative eyebrow.
Here we have an example of off-topic "not factual" propaganda. 
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| Apr 13 @ 11:42 PM |
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steveemac
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I only speak on topics where there is more or less unanimity of concensus and always avoid the controversial matters and NEVER take a position that would raise either a liberal or conservative eyebrow. Thanks, Para: it's been a long time since I laughed so hard that I nearly peed my pants!
Oh, God; what's next? Am I going to be the winning jockey at this years Kentucky Derby?
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| Apr 14 @ 12:18 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Ask and Ye shall receive; knock and it shall be opened unto you.
Thanks, Para: it's been a long time since I laughed so hard that I nearly peed my pants!
Oh, God; what's next? Am I going to be the winning jockey at this years Kentucky Derby?
We'd have to know more about his personal life to know about # 6, but I've heard rumors... An avid reader of newspapers and watcher of world news on television, with a demonstrated aptitude for civil and ecclesiastic law, a church history scholar, and in secular matters, a hawk with respect to military matters, was born in a manger and even had the hint of a halo through his elementary school days, was nominated Pope at the age of 12 before it was discovered that Mormons cannot be elected by the College of Cardinals as Bishop of Rome. Educated in New York, Connecticut, and Missouri, was awarded a Bachelor of Science in Political Science by the University of the State of New York after testing out of his entire college major. Placed prominantly within his Last Will and Testament, he graciously urged the people of Erie County, New York, NOT to rename the county of his birth after himself, for at least ten years after his death, as is reasonable and proper. Awarded an Honorary Doctorate from the Lee Harvey Oswald School of Political Science, and also an Honorary Juris Doctor designation emanating from the Barateria Louisiana Law School when not a frequent contributor to Modesty Magazine he spends his days often prostrate in prayer for hours in his private chapel before coming into the dining area and astounding his retinue of servants with a profound phrase while still illuminated with the glow of his most recent transformational experience between this world and the beyond. On his payroll are persons using the alias Napa and Nightowl, who are paid to stir up controversy by making internet attacks, but always having a logical hole in their arguments big enough to drive a Mac truck through. Beloved by all to whom his presence graces, the multitude frequently reach out just to touch his robe as he passes through a throng. Due to the press of the many, he has had to curtail his previous practice and now only performs Miracles by appointment only. More sports after this announcement
Even so, Amen.
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| Apr 14 @ 12:32 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Like I said, he must have had a date this weekend. Otherwise, why would he be so self-deprecating?
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| Apr 14 @ 12:36 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Somebody hacked his computer or the pressure got to him and he snapped or he had a profound religious experience or....
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| Apr 14 @ 12:42 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Makes me wonder: Has he been pulling our legs all along? If so, it's been a marvelous troll. He had his role down perfectly.
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| Apr 14 @ 5:51 AM |
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PentatonicPunk
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His antiwar posture turned many of us off and labeled him a lunatic to us
Wow! This statement speaks volumes! That lunatic didn't agree with the killing of innocent people and spending hundreds of billions to do it. BTW, who is "us" and who gave you the power to speak for "them"?
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| Apr 14 @ 10:41 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Wow! This statement speaks volumes!
I had almost forgotten that after the UN Security Council authorizes its member states to use military force, and after the US Congress authorizes the Commander in Chief to use military force that WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TICKLE THE ENEMY AND KISS THEM INTO SUBMISSION!
My personal policy is AFTER the lawful authorities have decided to go to war against the lawful enemies of the United States of America, is to carry the war to the enemy with overwhelming numbers and with technical weaponry superiority and the projection of vehemance toward the enemy, forcing them to literally choose between certainty of death or unconditional surrender.
I DO NOT believe in "ratchet wars" where pressure is increased incrementally, nor do I believe in any docile or restrained "show of force" as a "signal" when the best avenue is to enunciate a foreign policy clearly, and in response to resistance from regimes that includes human rights violations, or the sponsorship of genocide, slavery, piracy, terrorism, criminal cartels, or the subjugation of women, that the best "signal" is sent when by surprise, a supermajority of warriors, each equipped with weapons that far surpass what the enemy has to fight back with, executes a swift war plan where the enemy are quickly overwhelmed. The deposed leaders are swiftly tried and publicly executed with a Military Government installed having a "boilerplate" new national constitution that is not amendable for fifty years, which provides for the enforcement of human rights in the occupied country as we "nation build" a new member of the expanding free world where there is freedom of speech and religion, universal suffrage, women are entitled to equal treatment and protection under the law, where formerly despised minorities enjoy autonomous homeland city states where there is self-government, and a merger of economic abundance and opportunity between our republic and theirs.
A new national ID card program ferrets out the insurgents through a national ID application process that includes voice stress and polygraph technology with security agency screening and where the populace walks through scanners to enter into any structure, which scanner reports to a network of computers the identity of the pedestrian, makes logs of that person's known associates, and the ID card, which is required to be worn around the neck when in public, has an imbedded GPS chip and bar code which is swiped at each point of sale, with the resulting computer records logging each purchase made by the civilian in the war zone that has been paroled to house arrest, with authorization to leave his or her billet to go to work to go to market or to attend religious services, and to apply for a permit to visit friends and relatives, so that intelligence, military, and police authorities in the occupied war zone nation may use the data to isolate and discover and thus eliminate insurgent cells of resistance fighters who cannot obtain the new national GPS identification cards because they cannot successfully decieve the security agency review, and thus are forced to live underground with others providing their necessities, which is in fact the purpose of the "computerized paper trail" which analyzes and highlights households who purchase more food than what their lawful inhabitants require under the strict rationioning laws in effect in a war zone.
You see, when it comes to war, I am for the one and only desired result of total victory and that drives the Liberals and also the extremist and radical LEFTISTS absolutely foaming at the mouth angry, who then retort that the civilian population in a war zone have the same civil rights as a housewife in Milwaukee.
Total war requires total change among the lifestyle of enemy populations formerly ruled by dictators to be pacified. Included in this policy is new homes with new jobs in new towns, as we Westernize the occupied nation and instill new concepts of representative democracy among the youth.
Universal new housing, new jobs, and new towns in a new political experience is the recommended dosage for any total victory situation, with the tools being military force, law enforcement turnover of the old with highly trained professional domestic police under the development and supervision of experienced security firms which include Blackwater replacing the dictator's police, econcomic incubation, new town development with electric, water, sewer and natural gas utilities, new fashoned clothing with laws like Turkey's no scarf in public for Islamic nations, and public education which excludes religion and promotes democratic values.
When no one knows their new neigbors or their fellow workforce employees because everybody who has been screened through the new national identification card process has been moved to an instant new municipality, the old bonds which fostered an underground network are destroyed, root and branch.
[Edited on 4/14/2008 10:58 AM]
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| Apr 14 @ 11:44 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Dear love, couldst thou and I with fate conspire
to grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,
would we not shatter it to bits
and then remould it nearer to the hearts desire?
Your credo, PAL?
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| Apr 14 @ 5:56 PM |
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PentatonicPunk
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PAL
I'm afraid you've missed the point of this thread. How about focusing on the debt?
9 trillion...with interest to the central banks. Whew, that's a lot of money in interest. Speaking of interest, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the lending institution that's funding your beloved war....to keep it going,...and going?
People get rich during wars, especially the people who own the banks that lend the money for the wars... and the longer they last, the richer they get. Nixon did the banks a great service by keeping that war going.
Would you be so kind as to address the topic? Our Debt, Who's going to pay it?
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| Apr 15 @ 2:12 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Would you be so kind as to address the topic? Our Debt, Who's going to pay it?
US taxpayers will defray the bonded indebtedness of the USA, again and as usual.
Personally, I think Liberals should pay the Lion's share of these taxes. For instance, we could enact a hevty federal excise tax on birkenstock shoes, on everything churned out by Hollywood, the print and broadcast news media, and mandate that the US Department of Labor shall audit all Unions annually, plus vigorously prosecute dopers in order to gain the benefits upon final conviction of the loss of voting privileges of leftist substance abusers convicted of felonies.
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| Apr 15 @ 6:08 AM |
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PentatonicPunk
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Since you see everything as a Republican/Democrat or Conservative/Liberal issue but continue to avoid the issue of the Federal Reserve, I have a suggestion you might like. I'll write to my congressman and ask if the Liberals can pay for the social programs with their taxes, and the Conservatives can pay for the wars. Would that make you happy?
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