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| Apr 14, 2008 @ 4:28 PM |
Obama: " We're not just a Christian nation", but many still think we are.
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onoudn
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During last nights "Compassion Forum" on the the topic of faith and politics I heard the words and I was comforted by them for a short time. But then I begin to think about the question that Campbell Brown asked both Obama and Clinton. " Is there too much religious influence in politics ? "
Obamas remarks confirmed what I have suspected all along. Faith-based social services is one of the few things that Obama agreed with George Bush about. I find that scary. More scary than that is how Obama asserts that these organization will refrain from using public funds to proselytize. I don't think he really is that naive. I think he knows exactly what these organization will do, and hopes they are successful.
If he were serious about the issue he would have proposed an examination of the current state of affairs with the faith-based initiative like he has promised to examine Bush's other executives orders. And he would have admonished the faith-based community to refrain from proselytizing on the public dollar under penalty of loss of funding, and potential civil, and criminal remedies. All he did was engage in code-speak that sends the message that nothing will be done about it if faith-based organization discriminate against their clients, and open the door to blantant proselytizing and Chruch and state infringements.
During the compassion forum he said himself that Christians ought to be able to use religious rethoric while participating in political and social discourse. And if the controvesy over the Rev Wright has shown us anything it's that he has yet to reconcile his religious beliefs with his role as a public servant. So to put it in a way he would understand, who in God's name does he think he's fooling ?
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| Apr 14, 2008 @ 4:54 PM |
Obama: " We're not just a Christian nation", but many still think we are. |
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eastham
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Bush's faith-based intiatives program, as per the testaments of 2 former directors and 1 former deputy director, has been nothing but payola to certain sectors of the community who have supported Bush and Republicans politically. The groups getting the funding are not the organizations truly doing "God's work" and helping the poor, but those helping win elections.
Indeed, the number of faith-based groups that benefitted from the relaxed regulations put in place by this president is hardly more than that under the stricter rules previously in place. Rather than give money to local organizations that are training the jobless, mentoring the children of prisoners, or feeding the poor, the bulk of new monies have gone to national organizations, all with ties to the Bush Administration's political arm.
None of the current presidential candidates -- Obama, Clinton nor McCain -- are advocating the end of the faith-based programs. What the Democrats have been talking about is how to fix the program so that those social service organizations that have been providing help actually get help.
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| Apr 14, 2008 @ 4:59 PM |
Obama: " We're not just a Christian nation", but many still think we are.
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onoudn
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As long as they keep God out of it. Which my direct experience has been they don't, not at all---they don't even try.
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| Apr 14, 2008 @ 5:16 PM |
Obama: " We're not just a Christian nation", but many still think we are. |
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raykl
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ON: As long as they keep God out of it. Which my direct experience has been they don't, not at all---they don't even try.
Can't do that. God has a large voting block as our not soon enough gone president made all aware in the last election.
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| Apr 14, 2008 @ 5:26 PM |
Obama: " We're not just a Christian nation", but many still think we are.
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onoudn
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See what I mean ?
They don't even try. I guess the fact that the law prohibits using public funding for religious purposes, or that they agreed to use the money to provide social services-----and not to engage in conversion--- doesn't matter. Nor does the fact that they have to swear off God in order to get he funding in the first place. And we haven't even begun to touch on fruad, lies, cheating, and subjecting people to what might be harmful attempts of cure all "faith healing", rather than legitimate methods of treatment.
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