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Apr 14 @ 5:13 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Always_Striving Posts: 7,595 After the Bush administration confesses to misinformation about weapons of mass destruction which lead to the aggressive unwarranted invasion and occupation of Iraq, also: destruction of a stable infrastructure, sanctions of food and medical necessities, mercenary death squads, hyjacking the oil fields and Iraqs wealth...... It just doesn't seem to be enough for the Neoconservative evils doer's. I perceive some form of slavery imposed on the people of Iraq in the future (kinda like what's happening with U.S. corporation establishments in Mexico). Here is the latest bludgent from the Bush administration and a few twisted democrats. Iraq's financial free ride may end, By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - Iraq's financial free ride may be over. After five years, Republicans and Democrats seem to have found common ground on at least one aspect of the war. From the fiercest war foes to the most steadfast Bush supporters, they are looking at Iraq's surging oil income and saying Baghdad should start picking up the tab, particularly for rebuilding hospitals, roads, power lines and the rest of the shattered country. "I think the American people are growing weary not only of the war, but they are looking at why Baghdad can't pay more of these costs. And the answer is they can," says Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska. Nelson, a Democrat, is drafting legislation with Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Democrat Evan Bayh of Indiana that would restrict future reconstruction dollars to loans instead of grants. Their bill also would require that Baghdad pay for the fuel used by American troops and take over U.S. payments to predominantly Sunni fighters in the Awakening movement. Plans are to propose the legislation as part of a war bill to cover spending through September. Likewise, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he wants to add a provision to a defense policy bill that would force the Iraqi government to spend its own surplus in oil revenues to rebuild the country before U.S. dollars are spent. These senators, who are well-known war skeptics, could find allies in lawmakers who support President Bush's current Iraq policies. In hearings last week, Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., asked Defense Secretary Robert Gates whether Baghdad should start paying some U.S. combat costs, and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., raised the possibility that an anticipated Iraqi budget surplus this year could be used to help Afghanistan, whose $700 million in annual revenue represents a small fraction of Iraq's $46.8 billion budget. Bush has suggested that Congress is preaching to the choir. Last week, he noted that Baghdad's latest budget would outspend the U.S. by more than 10 to one on Iraq reconstruction, with American funding for large-scale projects "approaching zero." "Ultimately, we expect Iraq to shoulder the full burden of these costs," he said. But lawmakers are skeptical. Considering that past predictions in Iraq have fallen short, the legislation would ensure Iraq assumes more of the financial burden, they say. On the surface, it looks as though the U.S. has about split the costs of rebuilding efforts with the Iraqis: Congress has appropriated about $47.5 billion since 2003 while the Iraqis have budgeted $50.6 billion. International contributions have totaled $15.8 billion. And, as Bush pointed out, Iraq's latest budget is on track to outspend the U.S. when it comes to rebuilding. Baghdad has devoted $13.4 billion in 2008 for capital expenses, more than a quarter of its $48.6 billion budget. However, there is a key difference: Whereas the U.S. has actually spent most of the money it has approved, Iraq hasn't, according to the watchdog agency that audits reconstruction efforts. In 2006 and 2007, for example, Iraq spent only $2.9 billion of its designated $16.3 billion capital budget, which is used to invest in reconstruction projects. Administration and military officials say the lack of spending isn't sinister. "Part of it's a lack of expertise. Part of it is a lack of trained people. And part of it, in the past, has probably been politics," Gates told Congress last week. "We think they're making headway on all of those." Levin said he doesn't buy it, including Bush's declaration that the U.S. is no longer in the business of major reconstruction. Congress received notice on April 3 that the Pentagon planned to transfer $590 million in its war budget to cover construction and infrastructure improvements for Iraq security forces. "I just think it's totally unacceptable that we say they don't know how to cut a check," Levin said. A primary cause for the unhappiness in Congress is the high price of oil as the U.S. heads into election season. While Americans are complaining of gasoline prices, officials predict that Iraq is headed toward a major windfall because of the soaring price of oil and record-setting production levels. While early estimates suggested Iraq's oil revenue would reach $35 billion this year, it could climb as high as $60 billion, said Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, in a March hearing. The country's 2008 budget of $46.8 billion was calculated based on $57 per barrel of oil, roughly half the market rate, the inspector general noted in its latest report. [Edite   Apr 14 @ 5:17 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Always_Striving Posts: 7,595 cont.... Meanwhile, the U.S. military isn't reaping those benefits. American troops in Iraq are buying fuel on the open market at $3.23 a gallon and spending some $153 million a month, according to a recent report by The Associated Press. Collins says the Iraqis should cover those costs. "It's really difficult for Americans who are struggling with the high cost of the energy to see us paying for fuel costs in a country that has the second-largest oil reserves" and a burgeoning budget surplus, she said.   Apr 14 @ 6:54 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Novalite Posts: 3,092 AS After the Bush administration confesses to misinformation about weapons of mass destruction Must have missed that confession. Do you have a link? AS which lead to the aggressive unwarranted invasion and occupation of Iraq, also: destruction of a stable infrastructure, sanctions of food and medical necessities, mercenary death squads, I believe that there were seventeen outstanding resolutions against Iraq for which the member States including the USA were authorized to use whatever means necessary to get Iraq to comply with. Iraq is now in compliance. AS hyjacking the oil fields and Iraqs wealth...... You can't be serious!! Make up your mind, the US, if it is making Iraq pay for it's reconstruction then Iraq cannot as the US has stolen or as you put it 'hijacked' it's only source of revenue. Now make up your mind which errornous argument you want to go with; Did the US 'hijack' the oil fields or is Iraq forced to pay for it's own reconstruction (which was the plan all along and what many Dems were bitching about (Music Monster included)? AS It just doesn't seem to be enough for the Neoconservative evils doer's. I perceive some form of slavery imposed on the people of Iraq in the future (kinda like what's happening with U.S. corporation establishments in Mexico). Slavery? Oh, you mean jobs like pumping and selling oil and things like that. Yes, to some that is slavery to most however, it is simply work. AS Here is the latest bludgent from the Bush administration and a few twisted democrats. From article WASHINGTON - Iraq's financial free ride may be over. After five years, Republicans and Democrats seem to have found common ground on at least one aspect of the war. From the fiercest war foes to the most steadfast Bush supporters, they are looking at Iraq's surging oil income and saying Baghdad should start picking up the tab, particularly for rebuilding hospitals, roads, power lines and the rest of the shattered country. I guess who ever wrote this article never did any research as Wolfowitz is quoted as saying "We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon," And of course, the democrats know this was the plan all along Democrats Want Iraqis to Use Oil Surplus   Apr 14 @ 7:08 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     SensualGemini Posts: 3,512 ...Oh geez, another one of these threads... AS: I perceive some form of slavery imposed on the people of Iraq in the future (kinda like what's happening with U.S. corporation establishments in Mexico). ...No, no, no... slavery, would be me, working and paying taxes that pay for more pork and give away programs for those that don't. ...In Mexico, they give them jobs that pay more than they obtain from their own government. Heck, ask Capo, as that is what he claims to do down there. ================ Novalite: Slavery? Oh, you mean jobs like pumping and selling oil and things like that. Yes, to some that is slavery to most however, it is simply work. .... That was good! .   Apr 14 @ 7:47 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Gman762 Posts: 3,291 It never ceases to amaze me what the the neo-crats, troofers and those of "some other belief" choose to swallow as gospel. Now, I have read some mighty bizarre sheitte posted by these types (and they actually believe it), but this one about tops the cherry tree. It even rivals much of the strange crap that the lefthandedduck posts.   Apr 14 @ 10:00 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     SweetNapaGuy Posts: 4,553 Would that be the fact that the Bush administration, in the leadup for the war, stated that the oil reserves would be used to pay for the rebuilding of Iraq? Because if a neo-con can't even believe their own leaders, well, it's the end of the world as we know it...   Apr 14 @ 10:12 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     lefthandedluckie Posts: 5,075 iam7545...aka..Gman762.......Guys like you never learn. Once you have typed enough and people have read you enough....you can never hide in another id! Syntax, words and sentence structure always show through! BTW...how is that "Flea Circus" doing?   Apr 14 @ 10:24 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     SweetNapaGuy Posts: 4,553 No, I don't think so, LHL. Gman is marginally intelligent. iam wasn't. Unless he can mimic someone above his level of intelligence (something that would be rather impressive... then again, it isn't THAT much above...), they're two separate people.   Apr 14 @ 10:34 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     lefthandedluckie Posts: 5,075 SNG....   Apr 14 @ 10:47 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Gman762 Posts: 3,291 Well SNG, I'd rather be my old unintellingent self (by your standards) that is semi-retired, lives on a beautiful lake, drives new sports cars...than be a nearly destitute Liberal. How's that feel BTW?? LOL   Apr 14 @ 10:57 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Nightowl001 Posts: 4,134 I'd rather be my old unintellingent self (by your standards) that is semi-retired, lives on a beautiful lake, drives new sports cars...than be a nearly destitute Liberal. How's that feel BTW?? LOL Feels like someone is measuring their wallet instead of their dick hoping they might actually win that contest.   Apr 14 @ 11:03 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     SweetNapaGuy Posts: 4,553 Oh, I'm stung to the quick. To think, I was so naive to consider spending my adult life taking care of first my elderly mom, then my elderly dad. I should have been like a good neo-con and dumped them in a cut-rate nursing home, then sold off their house for the profit... Absolutely wonderful morals you have there, Gman. They harken back to conservative values. Admittedly, those values are from the days of nomadic hunter-gatherers, where the elderly were abandoned to death when they couldn't keep up with the rest of the group... But hey, you've gone to the ultimate conservative values...   Apr 14 @ 11:28 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     steveemac Posts: 2,336 Oh, I'm stung to the quick. To think, I was so naive to consider spending my adult life taking care of first my elderly mom, then my elderly dad. For the record, SNG, and in all seriousness: you have my total respect and admiration for doing what you're doing; and it really strikes me as the height of hypocrisy when the "Family Values" crowd mocks you for it-being as how it's in the Bible and all: Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.--Exodus 20:12 (KJV)   Apr 14 @ 11:55 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Always_Striving Posts: 7,595 Novalite Said: AS After the Bush administration confesses to misinformation about weapons of mass destruction Must have missed that confession. Do you have a link? Confessions of Novalite's hero] Hey buddy you better get to know one thing about me, and is that I NEVER create a thread with having the ammunition to support it. Everything that I said in the beginning is internet documented. DON'T YOU DARE CHALLENGE ME AGAIN unless you want to further embarass yourself. Hey do a little homework, why don't you?   Apr 15 @ 12:06 AM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Always_Striving Posts: 7,595 The United States fought a bloody civil war to end slavery. It just didn't go over well here and was too expensive to maintain. The new thinking is to make slaves in other countries, preferrably third world countries. That way we won't have to pay for their housing and transporation to America. We keep them as slaves in their own country. This is what WTO is meant to accomplish. Clip from the movie: The Yes Men exposing the WTO for what they are. This is the exposed New World Order plan of the Bush Administration as well as the former Clinton Administration. [Edited on 4/15/2008 12:13 AM]   Apr 15 @ 1:28 AM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Paralegal_at_Law Posts: 5,068 the aggressive unwarranted invasion and occupation of Iraq, also: destruction of a stable infrastructure, sanctions of food and medical necessities, mercenary death squads, hyjacking the oil fields and Iraqs wealth...... It just doesn't seem to be enough for the Neoconservative evils doer's. I perceive some form of slavery imposed on the people of Iraq in the future The author of the above rant is a self-proven extremist who is dedicated to the Leftist dogma of "Hate America First!" Iraq had the invasion and occupation coming, and Saddam deserved to be hanged, regardless of what the Leftist have to say about the situation from their skewed perspective. When it comes to "mercenary death squads" Iraq was a long standing proven sponsor of International terror, which is by definition a "mercenary death squad" when terrorists were paid by Iraq to detonate bombs or rockets in Israel. Hung on your own petard there bombast. Gotcha.   Apr 15 @ 8:00 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Always_Striving Posts: 7,595 Responding to Paralegal_at_Law The author of the above rant is a self-proven extremist who is dedicated to the Leftist dogma of "Hate America First!" Not true, I'm pointing out the evil doers (Primarily Neocons) plans, because I, in fact, love the USA and want to help preserve it from perverts like Bush and his financial supporters who coincidently help rig the elections to cheat his way into office. Yeah that's right he didn't win his seat fair and square. It's my opinion that he and his many of his advisors should be brought up on trial for treason. A few Democrats should join them too. We need to turn our focus to our homeland concerns for universal health care availability. We should not be catering to fanatical facists right wing interests of the political war machine, the banking/ credit institutes hostage debt plan, the national plan of pharmaceutical industry for the addiction of Americans crusade, and foreign oil production and energy strangulation of American hostage/ robbery plans. That's why the reign of right wing terror and the far left war mongers needs to end by ejecting the fanatic evil doers out of D.C.and prosecuting them. Iraq had the invasion and occupation coming, Had it coming? Wrong, but the adminstration had planned the take-over and occupation no matter how cooperative that Iraq was going to be with us or the United Nations. Donald Rumsfeld confessed to that on television. and Saddam deserved to be hanged Yes, I agree with that, he's done a lot of evil things to many people. But........ Is any foreign country within their rights to overthrow another country's government? No, It is the responsibility of its own citizens. Saddam Hussein, himself was involved in a coup to overthrow his former government. Iraqis should have been motivated to do the same if they were inclined to do so not the United States. The Bush administration has been planning the theft of Iraq and "The pull the wool over Americans eyes campaign" for a long time. The Project for a New American Century spells that out (Neoconservative think tank). When it comes to "mercenary death squads" Iraq was a long standing proven sponsor of International terror, which is by definition a "mercenary death squad" when terrorists were paid by Iraq to detonate bombs or rockets in Israel. I'm still researching those implications to find out details. Maybe you are right and maybe you aren't. ......... maybe you are just spouting out for the love of Bush? I'll continue my research on that subject.   Apr 15 @ 10:21 PM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Novalite Posts: 3,092 AS Hey do a little homework, why don't you Sorry AS, I only have dial up so cannot see or hear You tube. Is that a source BTW? I did manage to see the subject of the page which was Iraq not having anything to do with 911 which Bush had stated on various occasions but wondering, your contention that "the Bush administration confesses to misinformation about weapons of mass destruction" do you have a source for that one? Sorry for asking you to prove anything. I know I shouldn't dare but really As for Bush being my hero, hardly. Do your own homework, I don't like Bush much personally although I agree with much that he has done. Novalite personally, I think Clinton would have done a better job in the War on Terror as he is more of a people person period. But Bush's The actions taken were all logical ones.   Apr 16 @ 2:59 AM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Paralegal_at_Law Posts: 5,068 I don't like Bush much personally although I agree with much that he has done. Amen.   Apr 16 @ 4:09 AM First the Rape, Then the Robbery     Nightowl001 Posts: 4,134 But Bush's The actions taken were all logical ones. Yep. You need lessons in English AND logic.

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