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onoudn
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfoadeXits&feature=related
I never thought anything would make me miss the swift-boat ads. This is pretty pathetic. No one is in a panic about Rush. Most find him an obnoxious little twirp. That's if they listen to him at all. I can't believe any Republican would buy into to this. I guess I just gave the neo-con's more credit than this. If it weren't so annoying it would be funny.
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| Apr 24 @ 10:54 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Only people like Rush could be openly proud of being a cheater and a liar.
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| Apr 24 @ 11:05 PM |
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Gman762
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I think it's hilarious. The mere thought of Obama and Hillary duking it out through the convention brings a smile of gigantic proportions to my face..
Not that any Demmie could ever possibly consider cheating or lying, LOLOL.
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| Apr 24 @ 11:11 PM |
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onoudn
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I think it makes them both stronger candidates for Clinton and Obama to continue with the elections. And all this talk of the Dems imploding is just wishful thinking by those Republicans that feel a little anxious over "not really that conservative" Mc Cain. Everybody knows that there are a lot of folks in the Repub ranks that aren't going to vote for him unless he is able to move his politics a lot more to the right.
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| Apr 24 @ 11:45 PM |
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blueyes101
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I think it is great to see the dems attack each other the way they have been attacking the republicans. Kinda like looking in the mirror and not liking what you see.
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| Apr 25 @ 3:04 AM |
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thegoodideaman
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LoL,
Much ado about Nothing...
I've been watching this, same as Everyone else,
what I see is an Unusually Civil Debate about issues and Qualifications,
Baby Kissing and Pandering, (the usual)...
Until you Listen to the News anchors Posture and Postulate,
each trying to come up with some new Angle,
all Trying to Build there Carers on this...
they make it sound like an Ali/Tyson Fight...
Maybe the Reason the whole thing looks different to me is Because
I Stopped listing to all the "Post Game" Blather,
(Plus I don't watch FoX at all)...
in Fact, the whole thing seems Much more Civil than a Typical thread in here...
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| Apr 25 @ 3:50 AM |
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SensualGemini
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From your link O....
"First of all, there is no concrete evidence that the Republican party is officially behind this, or Rush Limbaugh, ..."  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/5/02632/84007/663/490550
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| Apr 25 @ 7:59 AM |
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eastham
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Granted your link is to an opinion piece and not an article of investigative reporting (the DailyKos carries both), but I think that the news anchors not withstanding, many people are excited about this race and feel that they can have a real voice in who may be the next Democratic nominee.
Over the past few years, various academic types, Pew, etc have polled Americans on a variety of issues and found that despite party registration or self styled political labels, many who consider themselves to be conservative have some very liberal tendences. For example, there are many evangelicals who self-identify as conservative because of abortion, but are supporters of global warming research and alternative energy, etc.
Perhaps these folks have abandoned the wedge issues for a moment and focused on other important issues. Rush may be sticking his finger in the dike to stem the tide.
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| Apr 25 @ 8:18 AM |
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SensualGemini
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...There are many more variants of personal politics besides Liberal or Conservative that define beyond the forced and limited choices addressed by "Pew, etc." of being a Democrat or Republican to vote in the primaries.
Here is are a few from another thread...
Centrist – Just what it sounds like. Someone who doesn’t have any particularly strong ideological leanings in any direction.
Conservative – Specifically a "fusionist" conservative of the National Review - Heritage Foundation mold. Someone who believes in traditional morality and capitalism, and the need for a limited government to allow both to flourish.
Left-libertarian – The quiz uses a mild definition of a left-libertarian, an anti-statist who is somewhat fearful of corporate and religious influence on public life.
Liberal – Supports economic regulation to promote social justice and takes a progressive stance toward moral or cultural issues.
Libertarian – A libertarian opposes most or all government activites. Does not favor much or any government support for either moral or economic systems.
Neoconservative – A "neocon" is more inclined than other conservatives toward vigorous government in the service of the goals of traditional morality and pro-business policies. Tends to favor a very strong foreign policy of America as well.
Paleoconservative – "Paleocons" want less US involvement in foeign affairs than other conservatives and oppose mass immigration. They are also more favorably disposed toward the South and the idea of secession, or at least decentralization, than neoconservatives.
Paleo-libertarian – Similar to other libertarians except for oppostion to mass immigration, and shares the paleocon appreciation of the South.
Radical – Critical of bouregois morality and strongly opposed to capitalism and willing to use state power to achieve desired ends.
Third-way – More supportive of foreign intervention than liberals and less supportive of economic regulation, coupled with more-or-less progressive social views. "Third-way" is to liberal what neoconservative is to conservative.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarthy14.html
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| Apr 25 @ 10:00 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Only people like Rush could be openly proud of being a cheater and a liar.
Actually Rush Limbaugh was openly opposed to Senator McCain's nomination as early as the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary, complaining on the radio that Democrats and Independents could cross-over and vote in the Republican Primary Elections.
Having publicly "dissed" McCain, it is NOT voting fraud to encourage and persuade a voter to change their party affiliation and vote for someone that the speaker prefers.
All political candidates appeal to the "undecided voters" of either political party.
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| Apr 25 @ 10:58 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Actually Rush Limbaugh was openly opposed to Senator McCain's nomination as early as the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary, complaining on the radio that Democrats and Independents could cross-over and vote in the Republican Primary Elections.
Having publicly "dissed" McCain, it is NOT voting fraud to encourage and persuade a voter to change their party affiliation and vote for someone that the speaker prefers. But that isn't what Rush is doing. This is not about voting for a candidate he'd rather see in office than McCain. His own words show that his intent is to urge his fellow Republicans to "pimp" themselves for a day.
Citing a story in a Texas newspaper headlined “Many Republicans to Vote for Obama," Limbaugh told listeners this week: “I understand I've got a big challenge here to try to get Republicans to change their minds on this and vote for Hillary to keep her in the race, to keep that party at war with itself . . .
“It's clear that Republicans in Texas have been listening to this program where we have advised Republicans to pimp themselves for a day and go vote in the Democrat primary . . . I just think, at this stage, the longer Hillary can stay in this, the better for us.” Try to spin it any way you want, it's about the intent to influence the process in a way that I believe is unfair. The idiots wearing "Operation Chaos" t-shirts to the polls might as well be wearing shirts that say "Liar for a day," and if Rush was complaining that Democrats could cross over and vote in earlier Republican primaries, he now looks pretty hypocritical for advising his listeners to use that tactic. Then, following the Pennsylvania primary, he was openly advocating that Senator Obama should use the "success" of Operation Chaos to claim that Senator Clinton's win in Pennsylvania wasn't really a win. Too bad the Republican party couldn't pull themselves together enough to actually put up a candidate they could get behind and support, and have to resort to these sorts of tactics rather than go head to head on philosophies and issues.
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| Apr 25 @ 1:58 PM |
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onoudn
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Having publicly "dissed" McCain, it is NOT voting fraud to encourage and persuade a voter to change their party affiliation and vote for someone that the speaker prefers.
That's not what Rush is doing. He's asking people to deliberate fruad the election process. They are not voting for Clinton because they support her. They are doing it to rig the process. That's voter fruad and it is being investigated as such in Ohio.
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| Apr 25 @ 2:00 PM |
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kattsmeow
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The idiots wearing "Operation Chaos" t-shirts to the polls might as well be wearing shirts that say "Liar for a day,"
I got mine too late for the California primary, but I didn't need it, Hillary did it without my t-shirt! 
Oh and I am registered as a Libertarian out here....
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| Apr 25 @ 3:16 PM |
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alivenwell351
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I voted for Billary in the Ohio primary just to keep the best show in years going...
Did it all on my own too. I don't listen to RL...
so fkn sue me!!!
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| Apr 25 @ 3:16 PM |
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onoudn
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Some people take their voting right very seriously. I would think that in a time of war, when our brave men and women are risking their lives for the principles and rights this country stands for people would respect them by protecting those rights ourselves at home. Voting is one of the fundamental rights of America. And I can't believe that people are treating it in such a trivial manner. If you aren't mature enough to vote responsibly the least you could do and allow those that are have their votes count without them being manipulated by your immature political gestures.
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| Apr 25 @ 3:49 PM |
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kattsmeow
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O, what i might not have made clear is, I am not sure who I want.
I do know that it will either be Sen McCain or Sen Clinton.
Now, if I could take the things I like from both of them and put them into one person, that would be my ideal president!
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| Apr 25 @ 4:00 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Voting is one of the fundamental rights of America. And I can't believe that people are treating it in such a trivial manner. If you aren't mature enough to vote responsibly the least you could do and allow those that are have their votes count without them being manipulated by your immature political gestures.
Our votes aren't counted. Our leaders are selected, not elected. Leaked results.
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| Apr 25 @ 4:09 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Geez, it is politics... the job pays $250K annual, but between Clinton and Obama, close to $300 million will have been spent on campaigning.
...Apparently, the job must be worth $billions, if not a $trillion or 3 or 4 to the supporters and anyone that is expecting anyone to play fair, is wearing rose colored glasses.
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| Apr 25 @ 5:17 PM |
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Nightowl001
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SG, believe me. I'm a cynic. It wasn't that I had any illusion they were going to actually play fairly (either side, I should point out). You know, the Virginia GOP went so far as to have people voting in the Republican primary sign an oath that they would support the party's candidate for President come November. Guess they were projecting and worried the Democrats were as devious as they are. As usual, what gets me more isn't the obsession with attaining the nomination or the office as the hypocrisy of worrying about the Democrats influencing their party politics and then bragging about influencing the Democratic party's process. "We'll try to make sure you can't do it to us, but ain't we clever for doing it to you!  " It is just a sad commentary that 20% or 30% of the country thinks this is in any way right or honorable. We've pretty well accepted that politicians are all liars, but now the staunchest party followers (probably on both sides) are apparently saying that is a good thing. I'm just disgusted that people act like this, and more disgusted that they brag about it.
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| Apr 25 @ 7:19 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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I Remember Last Presidential Election,
When the Republicans in My Dinky Little Town
Petitioned to get Ralph Nader on the Ballot,
"Because it would Hurt the Democrats"...
I wish this was Conjecture on my Part,
but this is what I Overheard them Discussing Amongst Themselves...
There are a Handful who will think, Gee, that's Cleaver !!!
is this what America and Democracy has Become?
is this what it's all about?
I'm sure it's Legal,
but it Can't be Moral or Ethical...
I agree Nader has the right to Run,
and under the Right Circumstances,
I Might be Convinced to Vote for him...
but he should have to do his own honest Legwork,
not Gain from Others Shady Attempt to Pervert the Process...
I Guess, Gone are the Days of honest Elections,
when People Supported and Voted for the Candidate they Deemed Worthy...
(Maybe Those Days Never existed at all)?
is the issue Compleatly irrelevant Anyway,
Because the whole things a Farce to Begin with !?!?
Maybe the Country is Really Run by the Corporations that own it ???
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