| May 10, 2008 @ 8:47 AM |
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eastham
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The headlines of New York Post and the Staten Island Advance, Staten Island's most widely read papers, are screaming for the resignation of Vito Fossella. The career of Fossella, NYC's only Republican in the House, is unraveling. First Fossella is arrested under VA's very strict DUI laws. He is expected to serve prison time for his violation.
Subsequent investigations have found that the family values conservative fathered a baby with a former Air Force officer and in more recent developments, brought the same officer on several Congressional "codels". Allegations of other women have also surfaced.
Fossella once sat in the catbird seat. He was the handpicked sucessor to Susan Molinari -- handpicked by Guy Molinari, Staten Island's kingmaker. Fossella's resignation, which is expected next week, according to House Minority Leader Boehner, will mean a special election for Staten Island, a special election which the financially strapped Republican Congressional Campaign Committee could ill afford if it were in the cheapest rather than the most expensive media market in the country.
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| May 10, 2008 @ 12:03 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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sounds pretty grim...
so.. he drove drunk... has a mistress.. fathered an illegitimate baby,,and used government funds to party......
 for this a republican should resign??? 
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| May 10, 2008 @ 12:19 PM |
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lacyvsq
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It looks like 2008 is going to be the year of the New York sex scandals. I wonder who will be next?
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| May 10, 2008 @ 12:24 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Boy, how I love those "rethuglican Family Values"! 
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| May 10, 2008 @ 3:10 PM |
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RareQuestor
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I do not wish to trivialize your outrage, Eastham, but shouldn't this have been posted only in the New York forum? I fail to see the significance of this scandal to anybody not living in NY. I never even heard of the guy until you posted this.
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| May 10, 2008 @ 4:32 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Outrage is pretty cheap on MatchDoctor Forums. Remember the "disgust" so publicly disseminated when the First Lady, within a few days of her daughter's wedding, discussed the pending wedding of her daughter during her weekly news conference? That was a VERY absurd reason to try and generate hatred and contempt for the First Lady in her unassailable position as Mother of the Bride.
But these same posters who publicly are so outraged and disgusted were nowhere in the visible public sector saying much when Hillary's brother was selling presidential pardons on Bill Clinton's last day in office.
And these same silent ones have never weighed in on Senator Obama's very improper relationship with the terrorist bomber, William Avery, with whom he sat on a Foundation's governing body and accepted political contributions from when Obama was running for the state senate from Illinois, nor have they said a word about the Chairman of the Islamic Charity funneling American dollars to Hamas that was shut down by the FBI now raising money for Obama on a website paid for by the Obama campaign. Where are these silent voices screaming their outrage and disgust when a LEFTIST is the perpetrator, which includes Obama's inability to distance himself from his numerous slimeball scumbag associates.
Besides, Congress is so full of drunks, it is news when a member of Congress IS NOT a drunk. The dishonorable Karen McCarthy (Democrat, 5th District, MO) was falling down drunk in the Capitol while on duty and these same Democrat posters said nothing then. Why? Because the perpetrator was NOT a Republican is why.
And Senators Kennedy and Dodd were running around and womanizing all over the place, even with regard to Kennedy, banging the waitresses on the tables in the D.C. dining room by timing the assignation with the restaurant's closing time, doing the waitress behind locked doors as his Bimbo de jure locked her legs around the married Democrat Senator. So members of Congress are long-time philanderers akin to the known reputation of Bill Clinton.
As for the Congressional Codels, could it have been possible that a military officer might offer some directly or indirectly related perspective with regard to the subject matter?
The REAL problem with this member of Congress is he is REPUBLICAN which is the root cause of the real upset, outrage, and disgust among his detractors.
These same detractors fully support when an abortionist crushes the skull of a baby who is kicking and suffering pain, prior to suctioning out the crushed skull, brain tissue, and the residue of the fetal blood from the vagina of the mother who just killed her own young.
Very selective outrage, indeed.
As usual.
Situation normal, no big deal.
[Edited on 5/10/2008 4:50 PM]
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| May 10, 2008 @ 8:02 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Para..aren't you outraged by all this??
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| May 10, 2008 @ 8:07 PM |
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Nightowl001
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That was a VERY absurd reason to try and generate hatred and contempt for the First Lady in her unassailable position as Mother of the Bride. You're projecting again. No one was trying to generate "hatred and contempt." It was simply an illustration of how clueless and disconnected from the real misery gripping millions of people that the Bush's are. And that was on another thread.
The problem with attacking the outrage of the people over Mr. Fossella's behavior is that you come off looking like "Well, MY scumbag isn't any worse than YOUR scumbag, so what're you screaming about?" The fact is, the scumbag you're trying to direct attention away from by pointing fingers at everyone else is most likely going to jail. Whether he does or not, it is likely that his seat is going to be filled by a Democrat after spending a lot of that very small stack of bills in the RNC treasury.
Frankly, I think the RNC should just tell all of them, "You're obviously not going to achieve a majority in either house of Congress again, and we can't afford to back losers we won't get our money's worth out of! (Which is no doubt why fundraising for the RNC is WAY down.  ) You're all on your own!"
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| May 10, 2008 @ 8:22 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Very selective outrage, indeed.
No it isn't!!!
It's the same kind of outrage that was felt towards Spitzer...it's the justifiable outrage anyone should feel towards any "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrite in a position of power...
Maybe it does justifiably come down on repubs a little harder sometimes because they're they ones always trying to project themselves as the only family values bunch around, all the while assailing dems as the main reason for some coming of the end of life as we know it....
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| May 12, 2008 @ 2:56 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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There is a certain degree of wrongful evil rightfully attaching to the Republicans. That is true.
Many of us adhere to the Republican political thought, because it is the lesser of the two evils; because there is a great degree of wrongful evil that is rightly attaching to the Democrats.
Even though individual Republicans fall short of the party's family values platform, it is a verifiable fact that the Democrat's insistence on non-family value's legislation and practices makes the decision one of simply adhering to either the "good guys" or the "bad guys."
Political choices are simply an extension of spiritual warfare into the secular plane when one contemplates that everything temporal is in reality spiritual as a demonstration of one's personal stewardship and adhesion to the Celestial Law.
One cannot stop Armageddon, as that is foreordained.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 7:39 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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if you build it.he will come...
or was it supposed to read.. "if you plan it..it will happen..."
or was it.."if you say it over and over..you will think it's true...".
republican values all...
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| May 12, 2008 @ 7:53 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Maybe Ms Bush can give a press conference today about the quakes in China and the deaths of a number of students who were buried in a building collapse and seque into how lovely the new limestone altar is on their ranch, and how thankful she is that an earthquake didn't knock that down, since they just built it!
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| May 12, 2008 @ 8:23 AM |
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eastham
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RareQuestor,
The answer to your question is NO. This thread would not have been more appropriate on the NY thread. Vito Fossella is a US Congressman, not a member of the City Council. That he is from Staten Island is not relevant. Should posts about Senators Vittner and Craig be limited to the Louisiana and Idaho threads? How 'bout Barak Obama's pastor? Should threads about Rev. Wright be limited to the Illinois forum, because he lives in Chicago?
For those of you who have never lived in VA as I have, let me assure you, they take their DUI laws very seriously there and this is a serious violation. Fossella had committed several moving violations, including running a red light, before being pulled over an breathalized. His blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit, so he wasn't driving while buzzed, he was drunk.
VA isn't a great place for pleading people out. If the judge is feeling merciful, Fossella could be jailed on the weekends, but he is expected to go to jail. He will also be expected to enter alchohol counseling and driving school. Should he fail to turn up at his court appointed "educational activities" he will be re-arrested and jailed for contempt.
Fossella would not be the first politico whose career was derailed by a DUI arrest in VA.
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| May 12, 2008 @ 11:03 PM |
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RareQuestor
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Eastham,
The career of Fossella, NYC's only Republican in the House, is unraveling.
I thought the New York forum was most appropriate because only NYC will really be affected by Fossella's resignation or conviction. In a legislature now dominated by Democrats, the loss of one Republican will not make much difference and it is not as though Fossella was a crucial member of any committees. A Congressional scandal of this nature is unlikely to have any impact on a nationwide basis. I suspect that most people won't even notice.
If an event has national or even regional ramifications, then I fully concur that it should be posted in this forum. If an event has only local significance, on the other hand, the state forums may be the best place to discuss it.
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| May 13, 2008 @ 5:27 AM |
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nah12
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wondering what the big deal is.... remember when slick willie did it all the dems said not a problem it was no ones business but his right???... ... so what's the difference between a prez and a congressman??/
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| May 13, 2008 @ 12:50 PM |
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Haban3ro
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The Democratic Mayor of San Francisco has an affair with the wife of his fund
raising manager in 2006, and everybody shrugged.
The Democratic Mayor of Los Angeles has an affair with a reporter from a spanish -language TV station, and everybody shrugged. (Hey, we knew the democrats and the media were in bed together; ho, hum.)
If a Republican fouls up, people run for the tar & feathers.
If a Democrat fouls up, people say he's just just trying to "look Presidential".
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| May 13, 2008 @ 12:52 PM |
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Haban3ro
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I must say that I have to class Senator Obama as a different kind of politician in this regard. I don't believe he would ever dream of doing ANYTHING that would put him on Mrs. Obama's "S-list".
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| May 13, 2008 @ 5:41 PM |
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eastham
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Frankly, the love child issues is not as serious as the drunk driving issue. According to the rules of the House, a Member of Congress should resign if he or she is convicted of a crime for which a sentence of 2 or more years may be imposed. While Fossella's sentence, should he receive the maximum under VA law (and they enjoy nailing Congressmen for DUI), will not meet this benchmark, there are still many in the House Leadership who want/need Fossella to go. I'm sure John Boehner and others do not believe it is in their best interest to have Fossella remain in the House.
The local newspapers and radio stations ran a myriad of "Vito's living above his sister's garage" stories all weekend. He's hired a crisis management team and high level Republicans on Staten Island are in full lock down mode trying to figure this out. Actually, they have been trying to have the press focus on the "love child" almost to the exclusion of the DUI. Their contribution to the debate -- Guy Vallela had a love child and went on to win re-election. Not exactly the most confident strategy.
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| May 13, 2008 @ 5:47 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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I noticed all the "family Value" rethuglicans are out in force hating Bill Clinton....as usual! Of course the Democrats don't yell family values, go to church and claim god is their co-pilot! Only rethuglicans!
So, when one of those "goof-balls" screw-up it is only natural for us good Democrats to point it out to the bible packing right-wing nutcases!
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| May 13, 2008 @ 5:58 PM |
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Haban3ro
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Ok, I think I understand now.
It's OK to do as you please, so long as you don't preach about what a superior human being you are, and how everyone should be just as good as you are.
I can see how Republicans who stand for moral issues get beaten up.
But fair's fair...
Why is there a deafening silence when liberals do things that that contradict everything they claim to believe in?
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