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Gallows_Humor
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http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9320484The searchers will use technology that wasn't available when Manson and his followers were arrested nearly 40 years ago, such as radar, magnetometers, and portable gas-chromatograph and mass spectrometers that can detect chemical markers characteristic of bodies in decomposition. And they'll dig with old-fashioned shovels, Inyo County Sheriff Bill Lutze said. "The only way to determine once and for all whether there are bodies buried at Barker Ranch from the time of the Manson family is to proceed with limited excavation," Lutze said in a prepared statement. Manson was convicted of murder and sentenced to death - a sentence that was commuted to life in prison when the state Supreme Court abolished the death sentence. He is now serving the life sentence at Corcoran State Prison.
...will justice finally be served?? or has he and his followers been sufficiently punished for their crimes...and life in prison was enough...
Manson will not be eligible for parole again until 2012.
Category State Information
State Abbreviation CA
State Name California
Death Penalty? Yes
Number of Executions Since 1976 13
Number of Executions before 1976 709
Current Death Row Population 669
Women on Death Row 15
Date Death Penalty Re-enacted 01-01-1974
1st Execution After Re-enactment 1992
Murder Rate (per 100,000) 6.8
Is Life Without Parole an Option? Yes
Can a defendant get death for a felony in which s/he was not responsible for the murder? Yes
Number of Innocent Persons Freed From Death Row 3
Number of Clemencies Granted 0
Region West
Method Choice of Injection or Gas
How is the Sentence Determined? Jury
Location of Death Row(s) San Quentin (Women: Chowchilla)
Clemency Process Governor has sole authority to grant clemency
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/state/
manson recap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
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| May 20 @ 4:49 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Manson's original sentence was commuted by the Supreme Court's decision regarding capital punishment. It cannot be retroactively reinstated. IF (big IF) they find enough evidence of a murder that was not included in the original trial (such as the body of a guy Manson reportedly shot, whose name I can't recall at the moment, and a gun they can link to the death and CM), they can conceivably bring a new trial for murder and sentence him to death on the new charge.
I'm all for finding any victims that remain lost or buried in unmarked graves on the old Barker ranch, but I would not be in favor of another trial for Manson. He's contained, he's never getting out. Use the resources we have to get violent criminals off the streets and in prison beside Manson, instead of expending a lot of time, effort and money to further prosecute the ones who are no longer capable of being a danger to society in their current conditions.
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| May 20 @ 4:52 PM |
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lj450
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Shorty Shea
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| May 20 @ 4:54 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Thanks, Lj. I was thinking it was Tex Watson, but he was in the trial, and I couldn't seem to formulate a search that gave me the name I was looking for.
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| May 20 @ 5:03 PM |
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SyndilLucian
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Forgive me for being obtuse, but doesn't life without parole mean he will never get out? Then why does the post from GH say he will not be eligible for parole again until 2012?
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| May 20 @ 5:15 PM |
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eastham
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Not under California v. Anderson, the case that threw out the old capital punishment laws in CA. Manson's sentence was commuted to life, but he'll never get out.
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| May 20 @ 7:23 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Yeah, Manson is eligible for parole. The chances of anyone on the parole board wanting to be lynched right after the hearing in which they parole him are so slim that I doubt any of them would actually vote to parole him. Besides, he has developed a habit habit of not even showing up to his parole hearings, thus relieving them of any actual consideration of granting him parole. At his 1997 hearing, it was reported: Prior to the hearing, which Manson refused to attend, Los Angeles Assistant District Attorney Stephen Kay said Manson has been a "terrible prisoner" in recent years, and that his record shows multiple incidents in which he hit, spit at, or threw coffee on prison guards and other employees. Another source reported: Not only has the heinous nature of Manson's murders made his chances of ever leaving prison very slim, but his behavior behind bars has made it impossible. According to Kay, Manson has committed 13 serious violations since his 1992 parole hearing. Kay also has a psychiatric report that says Manson is a sociopath and a serious threat to society. Manson collected his 13 violations by threatening to murder a peace officer, threatening staff members, illegally possessing a stabbing instrument and narcotics, and assaulting a staff member. Through the years, he has also been known to spit, hit and pour hot coffee on prison guards.
At his last parole hearing, Manson rambled on about society, race and the Beatles. He claimed that he didn't understand the insecurities of those around him and expressed no remorse for the lives lost. At the last go 'round, in 2007: Manson, 72, did not attend or send a representative to the proceeding before the Board of Parole Hearings at Corcoran State Prison.
He previously told a prison counselor that he refuses to participate because he considers himself a "prisoner of the political system," said Patrick Sequeira, Los Angeles County deputy district attorney, who attended the hearing.
The board voted to deny Manson parole for at least five years, the maximum allowed by law. He will not be eligible for release again until 2012. We might note that at his next parole hearing in 2012 (his 12th), he will be a few months shy of his 78th birthday.
Incidentally, contrary to my earlier post, I see he was convicted in part of the slaying of Shorty Shea and Gary Hinman, and that Shea's body was found in 1979. So, he couldn't be tried on that one again. I doubt enough evidence would remain to try him for any other body that might be found on the Baker ranch.
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| May 20 @ 8:39 PM |
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nah12
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even if Manson was prosecuted for another offense and got the death penalty i doubt he would live long enough to be executed.... depending on the state death row inmates can be on death row from 11 to 20 years....therefore IMO it would be a waste of time, money and resources to do so....
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| May 20 @ 8:43 PM |
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kattsmeow
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~~shudder~~
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| May 25 @ 4:40 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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even if Manson was prosecuted for another offense and got the death penalty i doubt he would live long enough to be executed.... depending on the state death row inmates can be on death row from 11 to 20 years...
The solution to the problem of two decades on death row versus execution of sentence in a reasonable length of time is to amend the procedures as follows:
1. In like manner as US Bankruptcy Courts adjudicate debt restructuring by applying state laws regarding what property is exempt from the claims of creditors, all state and federal death penalty trials should occur in a federal court, with the federal judge applying state law and the state courts selecting the jury and providing the prosecutor. This step elimates the double ladder of state and federal appeals.
All US Courts of Appeal should no longer hear death penalty appeals after Congress creates a single US Court of Appeals for the Capital Crimes Circuit having jurisdiction in all states. This step elimates the bottleneck which occurs when differing US Courts of Appeal hand down decisions that are adverse to each other, leaving the US Supreme Court with the burdens of resolving the conflicts among Circuits. Since the proposed US Court of Appeals for the Capital Crimes Circuit cannot disagree with itself, and would be the sole federal appeals court considering death penalty appeals except for the discretionary appeals lying to the US Supreme Court which are only heard IF the Supreme Court WANTS to hear the case.
These reforms would change the 20 years between sentence and execution to 18 months or so, while preserving all rights to a meaningful ladder of appeals.
Since all capital trials would occur in a federal court, and all appeals would lie in te federal courts as well, with no state appeals at all, state death row prisoners would not enjoy opportunity to paper the state appeals courts and state supreme courts with endless appeals.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
The Utopia-American viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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