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alivenwell351
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The present state of low public approval of President George W. Bush was crafted and manipulated by the leftists
The present low appeal of Bush, his chickenhawks, and his lackeys is due to the fact that they've screwed so much up (Iraq!!), or what he has done right (we haven't been hit again!), he doesn't have the ability to communicate it in terms anyone can understand...he just doesn't inspire confidence. Never has, never will. And they have no one to blame but themselves. Not your dreaded left, not the media...THEMSELVES.
I sadly suspect a 5+ point win by Obama along with a filibusterproof congress come November will bear testimony to that!!
Keith Oberman is a breath of fresh air
Keith Oberman is a fkn puke!!
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 3:19 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I sadly suspect a 5+ point win by Obama along with a filibusterproof congress come November will bear testimony to that!!
I'd be extremely surprised if either of those came to bear. I can see Obama beating McCain, but come the election, Obama's lead should have been chipped away down to near-parity. (I suspect that Obama--barring a serendipitous choice of running mate--will end up losing the election...)
As for a filibuster-proof Congress? Unlikely. The Senate looks like the Democratic seats are all safe, and may even pick up two or three of the Republican seats. And the House seats, only about 70-ish are not complete locks, and of those, perhaps less than 20 are going to change hands. (God bless gerrymandering, sometimes.  )
But yeah, while there will be strong majorities in Congress, I don't see the government going solely Democrat like the first six years of this decade went Republican.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 3:26 PM |
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eastham
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I think Keith Olberman is an individual who doesn't solicit middle of the road feelings, you either love him or hate him.
I for one would agree that he is a breath of fresh air and enjoy watching his program.
I am finding the current negatives against Olberman, who is not saying anything very different from what he said two years ago, a very interesting development. Seems the great animus had gained traction after he started taking market share away from Bill O'Reilly. And for those who would argue that it might be linked to his comments about Hillary Clinton, why then did the animus not exist over a year ago?
As to the President's intelligence level...This is probably the most intellectually incurious individual ever to sit in the Oval Office. He is an embarrassment to this country when he is abroad. Former Treasury Secretary O'Neill, Sec. of State Colin Powell, EPA Administrator Christy Todd Whitman, anti-terrorism expert Richard Clark and now Scott McClellan have all testified to the fact that he, Bush, does not prepare for briefings, does not read briefing materials, is disinterested in learning about an issue in-depth...and it shows.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 3:39 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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why then did the animus not exist over a year ago?
I was not watching him then. I recently started watching MSNBC when I learned of Chris Matthews. Individuals like Matthews, Tucker Carlson, Rachel Maddow, Andrea Mitchell, Chuck Todd, Mike Barnicle, Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski, and Tim Russert before his passing were what kept me watching the network. If it weren't for them I would never have considered it.
Olbermann, I feel, is a bad way to market the network and is part of the reason why it's doing so badly. Most of the country is not liberal nor conservative, but more middle of the road and IMO would not enjoy listening to a left wing loon ranting about how stupid the President is.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 3:57 PM |
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eastham
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You may have not been watching him, but Olbermann who is raking in a lot of criticism on the web was saying the same things a year ago. And you can hardly blame Olbermann for the rating woes of that network. Indeed, his numbers are far better than many other shows on that network, including Chris Matthews. Indeed, last week, Olbermann had the highest rated news show at the 8pm slot, besting Bill O'Reilly. Info on ratings.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 4:00 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Even if I am wrong, and I stand corrected, it doesn't change my opinion. I feel like he is an obnoxious, pretentious jerk-off and I have since I started watching him. Yes I have remarked that he is handsome, but being handsome doesn't mean that I enjoy watching him.
I feel the same about O'Reilly's attitude, by the way.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 4:03 PM |
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eastham
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And I feel the same about Chris Matthews...It's a matter of taste.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 4:06 PM |
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alivenwell351
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I agree that MSNBC was the best of a sorry lot of TV news sources when I still watched it. I seldom watch MSNBC any more after they went wuss on Imus, who BTW, along with Russert, was the best there was at letting people talk at length...as long as they didn't try to spin. Jack Jacobs was far and away the most informative on the Iraq & veterans administration fiascos, and Imus had him on at length at least once a week.
I'd be extremely surprised if either of those came to bear
3 months ago, I'd have never predicted it. For a lot of reasons, I've come to now believe fairly strongly that's how it will go...people down on main street are hurting...and they're seriously pissed!!
[Edited on 6/17/2008 4:12 PM]
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 4:47 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I am so weary of the current format of TV news/issues programming. All I want is for the host to be neutral, like the moderator at a Presidential debate, and for invitations to be issued to the National Democratic Committee and National Republican Committee to send authorized spokesmen to enunciate the positions taken by the those bodies, and to do away with the pundits and prognosticators who are just repugnant versions of Keigh Olberman to a greater or lesser extent.
Let there be a debate on national and global issues on a continuum, but with the official spokesman from the national political committees clashing over the issues with a fair and neutral host moderating the contest.
It seems to me that unless the format changes as desired, what we end up with is two hard core liberals from NPR, a moderate Democrat debating (ganging up on) a lone moderate Republican, such as what occurs on the McLaughlin Hour.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 6:32 PM |
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Kenn159
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All I want is for the host to be neutral, You won't find that in the corperate media.
Why do you think you can't find a single liberal voice on am talk radio?
This is not representitive of market demand, but is representitive of information control and propaganda disimination.
Most of the country is not liberal nor conservative
The corperate controlled media is doing their best to drible the conservative view point and is not playing there constitutional role to speak truth to power.
The new 21 century role of media is to repeat the talking points and party line of corperate friendly polititians. .
I can think of countless blackouts of liberal infornmation,the latest example the 100's of Iraq veterans that spoke against the war at the recent Winter soldiers gathering.
Most people are oblivious that it ever took place.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 7:30 PM |
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Bj864
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I never call a person stupid of any of those terms, but we have to face the fact that the president of this country shows low intelligence. I feel ashamed, that we have a president who cannot even manage to talk as well as some 10 year olds. He often sounds like a grade B movie to me and I cannot stand to hear him speak. I switch channels if he comes on.
Sorry LGQ if that offends you, but thats the way I feel.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 7:32 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Wait, so a person who lacks public speaking skills shows low intelligence?
No one ever notified me. I must have low intelligence.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 7:33 PM |
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kattsmeow
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LGQ, one of the reasons I don't pay attention to people that do this to any president. It will never matter who it is, they will diss him/her, and probably want to impeach them too.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:00 PM |
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Jankia
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I agree LipGloss,its going to be interesting to see how often our great news anchors will be making cheap attacks against Obama after he becomes our next president.
More of the same, or less?
America is just so proud to be...America.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:00 PM |
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SensualGemini
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LGQ: Wait, so a person who lacks public speaking skills shows low intelligence?
...Not only the truth, but the fact remains, Bush is more intelligent than those that have opposed him from the beginning, while and if not for surrounding himself with the most brilliant minds in the business.
...His public speaking skills are a little less than some of the more charismatic speakers, but at the same time, nobody has even come close to judicially "slapping his hand" and that has to upset those that have attempted to do so, or those that wish someone would, if they could.
...Meantime, Yale is not noted for graduating idiots and I don't care if Bush was a "C" student, as how many others, including in this forum, can even say they qualified to attend? Oh, I know, if only they had a Daddy with some pull.
...An impeachment attempt was made against Clinton for not the sex in the oval office, but for lying to a congressional review. Not once, has Bush or Cheney made that mistake, nor any others that could remotely touch them. The Oval office has continuously played the sleeping House and Senate bureaucrats as if they were puppets on a string.
...Whatever Bush is, he is no idiot; rather quite the opposite, as he has managed to obtain anything and everything he wanted, while nobody has even come close to slowing him down.
...So, either Bush is a genius, or the people are voting for idiots as members of the House and Senate... or maybe both.
[Edited on 6/17/2008 8:09 PM]
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:00 PM |
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waiting41
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Wait, so a person who lacks public speaking skills shows low intelligence? This would put John McCain in the severe/profound category. :)
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:07 PM |
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Bj864
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Wait, so a person who lacks public speaking skills shows low intelligence?
I think he lacks a lot more than public speaking skills. I also think he is an embarrassment to the entire country and makes us all look bad.
...Whatever Bush is, he is no idiot; rather quite the opposite, as he has managed to obtain anything and everything he wanted, while nobody has even come close to slowing him down.
I have always believed that he is simply a front man for the people that have really been in charge. To me his talents have not been in intelligence, but in being able to fool enough people to put him in office (maybe once). Also, when the real powers that be convince him that something needs to be done, he will get his way or else. He won't be outdone, no matter what the consequences. They have used that trait to their advantage.
[Edited on 6/17/2008 8:14 PM]
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:08 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Most of the people I know overseas don't like Bush but it is not because of his intelligence or his public speaking skills, it is because of his policy. That was my point....that Bush should be attacked based on his policies and not be attacked because of whatever his intelligence may be. The fact is we have no way of knowing.
Also, many foreigners do not have a bad opinion of us because of him. In fact, many do not have a bad opinion of us at all.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:16 PM |
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Bj864
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I think it is important that our president shows some intelligence. After all, he is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.
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| Jun 17, 2008 @ 8:17 PM |
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SensualGemini
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LGQ: Also, many foreigners not have a bad opinion of us because of him. In fact, many do not have a bad opinion of us at all.
...Most of them don't like their own government and diminishing another (ours) remains as their only effort for relief, to feel a little better for their own demise. Sure, we have problems, but most of the other countries do as well... borders do not change the colors of a bureaucrat.
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