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jaybird777
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Clueless..............just because I dont view the same as yourself......I DONT THINK SO !!!! That would be in, clueless as in donna have a clue what yer talkin about.
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| Jun 28 @ 1:56 PM |
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marylou
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HEAVEN......while I can understand what you are saying. I think the US will ALWAYS go into countries it sees fit to go into. That is the nature of AMERICA. I can never see it changing from that. Many service men and women know when they sign up in the first place........they will be called into action at their contries demand. At all the schools in Australia when we have *career choice evenings* the teachers and Principals always state this to students and parents alike. They stress it on them.
I would not want my son or daughter to go to any war zone either......I would be none the less worried than any other mother. But if they did join......I would know......that they would be at the mercy of their country to serve in whatever way it deemed necessary. Even tho I might not like the idea. All parents and families are not that much different ....in this!
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| Jun 28 @ 2:33 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I think the US will ALWAYS go into countries it sees fit to go into
Huh? The US Senate voted to go into Iraq based on the belief that there was an imminent threat to the US (my favorite Condi quote - 'don't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud, intimating that the much-discussed WMD were nuclear in nature, rather than poison gas that was left over from before Desert Storm)...not to get rid of Saddam and his sons.
The US is not a single entity with a single mind - there were many of us who were dead set against it, myself included. Even so, that's past. At what point do other countries need to take responsibility for themselves? Or are yoiu saying that George Orwell's Big Brother would be a good thing - and we should let the US run the world as it sees fit?
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| Jun 28 @ 3:04 PM |
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marylou
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HEAVEN.....so what are you suggesting? What power do any of us have.....to stop things. We have to trust the leaders of the country.........even if we doint like what they are doing. We vote for the President and party we want. What other can we do than that? We are powerless........unless we go on mass demonstrations.....and even then it doesnt mean it will make a difference.
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| Jun 28 @ 3:08 PM |
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Loreli
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I don't know that it's good...
but, growing up, I was told the US got so involved to be the country to fear.
On the flip of that, we also help nations peacefully in times of quakes, tsunamis, etc.
But-it's time to bring our men and women home.
TEACH them to help themselves.
Quit doing it for them....
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| Jun 28 @ 3:27 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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We have to trust the leaders of the country.........even if we doint like what they are doing. We are powerless........
If that's so, what are we? We know that there were deceptions involved in getting us into Iraq - there was an agenda at work that was kept secret from the duly appointed representatives of this country.
Some advice given by the founder of this country, George Washington (actually in collaboration with Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton), as he was leaving office and worried about the future of the country he'd given so much of his life to bringing to birth:
On the subject of party politics:
"It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."
On public credit, i.e. borrowing, especially from foreign nations:
"...cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible...avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue, that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant..."
On informing the public truthfully:
29 Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened.
I'm a big fan of George's...just not of George Dubya, who strikes me as the antithesis of George Washington on just about any subject I've considered.
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| Jun 28 @ 5:17 PM |
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jaybird777
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HEAVEN......while I can understand what you are saying. I think the US will ALWAYS go into countries it sees fit to go into. NO!!!!
We got no obligation ta do that.
We got no right ta do that.
Anybody who thinks like that is totally CLUELESS
But-it's time to bring our men and women home.
TEACH them to help themselves.
Quit doing it for them....
Now do allla ya see why I am hoplessly in love with this woman?
We ain't the world's hall monitor.
We ain't the world's nurse maid.
We can't be and we hadn't outter try.
Time to bring the kids home.
You know, I think some a the clueless folks is so outta touch, they think its like they are watching a movie er TV show.
Dammit, thems real American boys and girls gettin bullets ripped into their bodies. Gettin horribly burned and disfigured for life. Getting their limbs tore off and wearing prosthetics for the rest of their life.
These are your friends, neighbors, an loved ones. They deserve better than their lives ta be squadered with no more thought than what you would punch a hole in a sheet a paper.
PUT DOWN YER FEARS!!! SWALLOW YOUR TEARS!!! LET IT COME TO AN END
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| Jun 28 @ 6:02 PM |
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bamagary
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maybe if george w bush. new what war was. he would not send people to die. we could not hide behind our rich daddy.i wonder how many lifes would have been saved. if bush served.
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| Jun 29 @ 6:22 AM |
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Novalite
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Garybelton/Gary/Bamagary i wonder how many lifes would have been saved. if bush served.
More than likely none Gary. He would have simply filled a rotation position already filled by a pilot and have done the same job as what would be done by a person who filled it anyhow. Any minor differences in his flying skills and courage under fire would have had a minor positive or negative effect. I hope this answers your question.
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| Jun 29 @ 7:53 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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Eastham,
If John McCain is elected, I'm becoming a permenant missionary to Costa Rica.
Mi corazon vive en Costa Rica, pero mi cuervo vive in Alabama,
Amo Costa Rica mucho.
But fret not, Americans are stupid enough to elect a poor pilot - thrice.
Thrice elected a pilot.
Do you mean: The first Bush who was shot down by Japanese Fighter pilots?
Do you mean McCain who suffered as a POW at hands of the Viet Cong?
Or
Did you mean The second Bush who did not fly in combat? Which one is it you are talkng about?
But if you are going to leave the country if McCain is elected, don't let the door hit you in your arse.
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| Jun 29 @ 1:23 PM |
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bamagary
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i think if we throw all these bush butt kisser. it will be better. your hero bush is a coward.
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| Jun 29 @ 4:01 PM |
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Novalite
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Garybelton/Gary/Bamagary i think if we throw all these bush butt kisser. it will be better. your hero bush is a coward.
there you go again confusing logical rebuttal with worship. You believe that anybody who does not agree with your sandwhich board claptrap is worshiping the opposite.
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| Jun 29 @ 4:34 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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HEAVEN......while I can understand what you are saying. I think the US will ALWAYS go into countries it sees fit to go into. NO!!!! We got no obligation ta do that. We got no right ta do that. Anybody who thinks like that is totally CLUELESS
How naive to believe that America will no longer act as a Liberator Nation and go into lands administered by regimes that sponsor, promote, or subborn, genocide, terrorism, piracy, criminal cartels, or 21st Century Human Rights violations.
America used its military in both Kosovo and also Iraq because of the humanitarian violations of both the Serbs and also the Iraqis under Saddam in like manner as we used our military in the Berlin Air Lift to support the people there.
We will most like continue to oust criminal regimes and bring in peace keeping troops, Liberation troops, or bomb and shore bombard the bad guys into oblivion.
We have a humanitarian obligation to do exactly that under the Nuremberg Doctrine and we have every right to do that.
In fact, I already am making a list of countries that NEED to be destablilized, with peace keeping troops, Liberation troops, or operations to by surprise, simply bomb and shore bombard the bad guys into oblivion. The list includes Iran, Syria, Lebanon, The Sudan, Burma, and the Liberation of Occupied Tibet.
Jaybird may sit naked on his front patio water closet throne and use Red Neck "quasi-Pigeon English" to pontificate about American foreign policy but he is grossly under-qualified to comprehend the political science, global hegemonic, and strategic nuances of his incompetent remarks.
Hostile forces arraigned against the United States include Hamas, Hesbollah, Al Qaida, the Taliban, the Janjaweed, and also the dope-addicted warlord street gangs of Somalia. All of these undesirables will eventually be systematically eliminated by either overt or covert means, regardless of how black or brown their skin is because skin color is no defense against Global Justice. Which means that they like Iran, Syria, Lebanon, The Sudan, Burma, and the Liberation of Occupied Tibet, are "on the list" of future overt or covert operations that will involve bloodshed to achieve our goals.
Jaybird and his ilk are as absurd as they are a national disgrace.
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| Jun 29 @ 5:37 PM |
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Nightowl001
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How naive to believe that America will no longer act as a Liberator Nation and go into lands administered by regimes that sponsor, promote, or subborn, genocide, terrorism, piracy, criminal cartels, or 21st Century Human Rights violations. How arrogant and ignorant to believe that we have any moral right or can afford to act in such a manner unilaterally.
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| Jun 29 @ 5:53 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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How arrogant and ignorant to believe that we have any moral right or can afford to act in such a manner unilaterally.
Its called the Nuremberg Doctrine. Read it. Know it. Love it . . . because the United States of America is going to practice it.
Repeatedly.
Because we have the moral right and military might to do so.
Repeatedly.
As for affording it, once we cease and desist the stupid Federal Santa Claus practice of foreign aid, forgiveness of foreign debt, and attempting to "buy friends" and instead, rely upon "Shrewed Yankee Trader" practices of acquiring multi-century oil leases, mineral rights, import-export sole provider contracts of cereals and foodstuffs, the ceding of their sovereignty over the territory where our many military bases are situated, and the adoption of our currency as their own legal tender, it will be not only well worth it, but in fact, we will accumulate a surplus as "Shrewed Yankee Traders."
In time, perhaps we should accumulate more U.S. Commonwealths around the globe, such as the status enjoyed by Puerto Rico in the Atlantic, and also the United States Commonwealth of the Marianas in the Pacific.
Potential future U.S. Commonwealths include Mexico, Venezuela (after Chavez is buried) and the Iraqi oil fields, (dare I mention the Iranian oil fields?) and a fifty mile strip separating Afghanistan from the stronghold of Al Qaida in the Wiziristan sector of Pakastan.
The mistake we made with the Kingdom of Hawaii after the United States annexed it, was to admit it as a sovereign state. Commonwealth status is much preferred in the long run, especially for places like the U.S. Panama Canal Zone, Mexico, Venezuela, the Iraqi oil fields, and the Iranian oil fields.
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| Jun 29 @ 6:06 PM |
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Nightowl001
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I repeat, how arrogant and ignorant to believe that we have any moral right or can afford to act in such a manner unilaterally. To respond that we have the moral right because you believe we do just demonstrates the aforementioned arrogance, and the claim we could afford to if we changed our entire economic foreign policy platform just demonstrates that even you aren't ignorant enough to think we can currently do so and have to set up conditions under which we could. However, proposing different conditions under which something can be accomplished (especially conditions so unlikely to come to exist) does nothing to address the matter of whether or not we can do it now. It is an unfortunate (for you) truth that we have to deal with the world as it is, not as you would like it to be. Nice to see that couched in all your parsing, though, is recognition of the fact we cannot afford such a foreign policy.
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| Jun 29 @ 7:30 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I repeat, how arrogant and ignorant to believe that we have any moral right or can afford to act in such a manner unilaterally.
Does this mean we have to give back the Kingdom of Hawaii?
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