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nah12
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yes it is Marylou....
but remember they are all about the world ME, MYSELF and I and F*&% the rest of ya.......
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| Jul 4 @ 9:49 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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but remember they are all about the world ME, MYSELF and I and F*&% the rest of ya.......
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| Jul 4 @ 10:33 AM |
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jaybird777
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but remember they are all about the world ME, MYSELF and I and F*&% the rest of ya.......
It's about stopping the killing, and our fine your boys and girls coming home with a hand missin er an eye put out.
It ain't F*&% the rest of ya.......
If you an "MaryLou" ain't got your blood appetite apeased yet, then it's F*&% you
Note literally. Pathetic old hags ain't my type
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| Jul 4 @ 11:20 AM |
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Novalite
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Jaybird IF things are good over there, Ima glad we could help. But we gots to be on our way. Soya-Nara. Don't ferget ta cut a check when yer oil money start rolling in.
I'll put this in a way I'm sure you will understand Jay. It's like rebuilding an engine, you do all the work, new crank, liners, pistons and then are now at this point where it is all together and adjusted but you are in too much of a rush to torque the bolts and put the head covers on. If not done properly, you'll have that engine back in your shop sooner or later and will be facing a bigger job. And, you'll be the one paying for it.
In short, it doesn't take a lot to make sure the job is done right. The repercussions of it not being done right are pretty severe.
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| Jul 4 @ 11:28 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Or to use your analogy, we have enough parts to rebuild one engine. However, we decide to rebuild two engines. Neither of them get fixed. We keep wrapping it up in duct tape and using WD-40, but it does no good. Eventually, we're going to have two busted engines, and all the front-office optimism (to string the customers along) can't change that fact.
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| Jul 4 @ 11:48 AM |
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Novalite
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Not a good comparison SNG as one was a broken moped that delivers newspapers and the other a truck engine that when operational earns a quarter of a million dollars a year.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:01 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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No, I think it's a pretty good comparison. Afghanistan was not a moped, in terms of the "War on Terror." It was a major terrorist stronghold. By comparison, Iraq was home to miniscule terrorist activity. When we pulled out of Afghanistan, we threw away two years of hard-fought gains, and after five years, we're STILL not back to the point we were when we pulled out.
To carry the analogy further, and to use your definitions, it'd be like taking a sledgehammer to the truck's engine, then telling the customer that they have to pay more because of all the unexpected damage. Meanwhile, ignoring the customers who brought in the moped, even as it's laying in the corner in pieces.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:01 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Soldier Pay,,,,, earned there, sent here for family. (By the way,,,,when they come home, you going to fire all of them,,,,if not,,,,,soilder pay is still an outlay of cash. Granted, no combat pay,,,,,but,,,,it doesn't go away.) Very invalid argument. Figures vary, but on average approximately 40-48% of the troops in Iraq are Guarsdmen and Reservists. They were not drawing full-time duty checks while they were here, not to mention, yes, combat pay on top of that. For that 40%, those people who were serving in Guard and Reserve units and were called up for active duy, they would NOT be getting the additional 28 days' pay per month they are getting now. So, actually, a great deal of it would "go away."
[Edited on 7/4/2008 1:08 PM]
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| Jul 4 @ 12:26 PM |
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jaybird777
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I'll put this in a way I'm sure you will understand Jay. It's like rebuilding an engine, you do all the work, new crank, liners, pistons and then are now at this point where it is all together and adjusted but you are in too much of a rush to torque the bolts and put the head covers on. If not done properly, you'll have that engine back in your shop sooner or later and will be facing a bigger job. And, you'll be the one paying for it. A guy pulls in with a flat tire. Then he wants his oil changed. Then a new tranny. Then an engine overhaul. After you do alla that, he's wantin a new paint job. Sorry. We done too much already. Time to quit
An no, if yer paint job don't suit ya later on, we ain't gonna pay to redo it.
In short, it doesn't take a lot to make sure the job is done right. Well "doesn't take a lot" is a relatively term. Maybe 300 billions a dollars ain't a whole lot. Alla them loves lost maybe ain't a whole lot. To me, it's a helluva lot.
I seen a soldier guy on TV was horribly burned. Had about 3 fingers left on each hand. Scars all over his face. No ears er nose, only one eye. Maybe you outter tell him that it "doesn't take a lot"
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| Jul 4 @ 12:43 PM |
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Maybe you outter tell him that it "doesn't take a lot"
Putting his "boots on the ground" in harms way is the worst thing we can do to an American soldier. It is far better for armies of compter operators with their hands on joysticks and fingers on buttons that deploy predator or robot machine guns, rockets, bombs, [classified weapons system data redacted] or other high tech weaponry, in a remote location.
In fact, we could hook up satellite transmissions to mall video arcades and as the kids put their quarters in and shoot the plastic guns, the robot and predator weapons in the battle zone would be controlled and respond, killing enemies while at the same time kids roll up video "high scores" and their class mates put their quarters in a row atop the arcade "game" and say "Next!"
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| Jul 4 @ 12:45 PM |
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nah12
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yea you are real good at name calling when you can't argue the facts...... feel better now do ya .... 
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| Jul 4 @ 1:13 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Putting his "boots on the ground" in harms way is the worst thing we can do to an American soldier. It is far better for armies of compter operators with their hands on joysticks and fingers on buttons that deploy predator or robot machine guns, rockets, bombs, [classified weapons system data redacted] or other high tech weaponry, in a remote location.
In fact, we could hook up satellite transmissions to mall video arcades and as the kids put their quarters in and shoot the plastic guns, the robot and predator weapons in the battle zone would be controlled and respond, killing enemies while at the same time kids roll up video "high scores" and their class mates put their quarters in a row atop the arcade "game" and say "Next!"
Shades of "1984."
Literally...
April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a child's arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats but a woman down in the prole part of the house suddenly started kicking up a fuss and shouting they didnt oughter of showed it not in front of kids they didnt it aint right not in front of kids it aint until the police turned her turned her out i dont suppose anything happened to her nobody cares what the proles say typical prole reaction they never --
I guess teaching kids to gun down civilians is next on the agenda?
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| Jul 4 @ 1:13 PM |
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Nightowl001
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but remember they are all about the world ME, MYSELF and I and F*&% the rest of ya.......
Sniff.... snifff... do I smell.... Yep. Another neocon lie used to characterize those who disagree with them! 
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| Jul 4 @ 1:17 PM |
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Novalite
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SNG No, I think it's a pretty good comparison. Afghanistan was not a moped, in terms of the "War on Terror." It was a major terrorist stronghold.
And that major terrorist stronghold was destroyed wasn't it? Or, in the analogy, the moped was put on the road good enoghh to work for the time being. Of course, you can blame the military for not being willing to take extreme casualties at Tora Bora and capture Osama or blame Bush for not wanting to overthrow Musharif in order to pursue AQ into Pakistan but, for the most part, the terrorist stronghold was neutralized and NATO has taken over to defend Afghanistan's fledgling democracy.
SNGBy comparison, Iraq was home to miniscule terrorist activity.
True however, with AQ operating globally along with over two hundred other terrorist groups financing and support had to be curtailed in Saudi Arabia as well as place US forces in a geographical position where they could support those who wished to move against their own Qutbist problems and show those who didn't that America was willing, able and would deal with those elements if they did not. Saddam Hussien, who was in violation of all the ceasefire terms from the origional Gulf War as well as fourteen UN resolutions dealing with everything from Human rights to WMDs also needed to be dealt with so, this tied it up in one move. Hence, while Saddam may have not been a Qutbist supporter, he was a criminal who needed to be dealt with who was standing on a key piece of territory that would be a great asset in the War on Terror.
At the time, the terrorists that were in Afghanbistan and now were in Pakistan were out of reach for coalition troops unless they wished to topple the Musharif Government and risk it going fundamentalist by invading a country that had done nothing but try to help in the War on Terror. So, with nothing to be gained the US moved to a place that could gain positive results.
Or, in our analogy, the customer with the truck engine had a few days off so that the work, which could be done anytime by yourself, was done then as it would put your mechanic schedule ahead in case there was a backlog about to occur.
SNG When we pulled out of Afghanistan, we threw away two years of hard-fought gains, and after five years, we're STILL not back to the point we were when we pulled out.
Well with more troops in Afghanistan than when you pulled out I doubt that however, the Taliban have regrouped and are still very active. I suppose that once Iraq is considered secure that more troops can be sent to Afghanistan so not to worry SNG. It's time will come.
SNGTo carry the analogy further, and to use your definitions, it'd be like taking a sledgehammer to the truck's engine, then telling the customer that they have to pay more because of all the unexpected damage.
Well I suppose that since the country of Iraq did not belong to Iraqis rather Saddam, Quesay and Uday, this point is rather moot As for paying more, now they can finally begin to make money as before they certainly were not. All of it went to Saddam and, if you were not aware, his oil infrastructure was pretty ancient and falling apart. The funds he brought in from oil were not spent on the people so, once again, your point is not very well taken.
SNGMeanwhile, ignoring the customers who brought in the moped, even as it's laying in the corner in pieces.
Well i doubt that the world has ignored Afghanistan as they funnel billions in aid there as well as over fifty thousand troops who have suffered almost eight hundred deaths to keep Afghanistan free. However, since you are set on ensuring Afghanistan remains a democracy and that the Taliban do not return, I am sure that you will first want to finish the Iraq operation fully and completely before moving back to Afghanistan. Then, complete the job properly.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:24 PM |
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nah12
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Feel better now NO..... real impressive there big fellow
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| Jul 4 @ 1:25 PM |
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JaybirdWe done too much already. Time to quit and; I seen a soldier guy on TV was horribly burned. Had about 3 fingers left on each hand. Scars all over his face. No ears er nose, only one eye. Maybe you outter tell him that it "doesn't take a lot"
So now that Iraq is just about able to do their own security and things are safer for this guy's fellow soldiers you wish to pull out, risk the country falling into anarchy and ultimately going Qutbist. Using oil revenues to arm themselves and take over other countries as well as supporting global terrorism not with the bits of change they get from Saudi Mosques but with trillions of petro dollars and WMD purchased as part and parcel of oil deals with China, Russia and the EU? Wouldn't be allowed to happen, in short, this soldier's children would be returning to fight a better armed foe than he faced.
All because you didn't do the job right when it was easiest.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:29 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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We're not talking about the rest of the world. We're not talking about the other terrorist organizations. We're talking about the United States, Afghanistan, and Al Qaeda.
Afghanistan financed and sheltered Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda perpetrated the most successful terrorist attack on US soil.
We had the troops to take Bora Bora (special forces and the alpine troops). Then we pulled them out to invade Iraq. And any Al Qaeda leaders who were still contained were allowed a reprieve. And what have they done in the meantime? They've rebuilt, regrouped, and are again a danger. Woot, good job, neo-cons!
We have limited resources. Accept that. It's not that hard of a concept. We can borrow money until we go negative, but we can't borrow supplies, munitions, or troops from some point five years in the future. We have to do what we can with what we have right now. And five years ago, we had enough troops to do the job in Afghanistan, and enough troops left over to keep as a backup in case some other country thought to cause trouble.
The neo-cons blew it, all for that ivory-tower cockamamy plan put forth by the PNAC. They should have focused less on ideological purity and more on connection to reality. "Faith" is all fine and well, except when you're gambling with your nation's future. Then "reality" should take over.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:44 PM |
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Novalite
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SNG We had the troops to take Bora Bora (special forces and the alpine troops).
It was a military failure SNG, not a political one.
SNGThen we pulled them out to invade Iraq.
They were not pulled out though. There were less US troops in Afghanistan then than there is now.
SNGAnd any Al Qaeda leaders who were still contained were allowed a reprieve. And what have they done in the meantime? They've rebuilt, regrouped, and are again a danger. Woot, good job, neo-cons!
And your solution was to invade Pakistan? 
SNGWe have limited resources. Accept that. It's not that hard of a concept. We can borrow money until we go negative, but we can't borrow supplies, munitions, or troops from some point five years in the future. We have to do what we can with what we have right now.
Right and that's why it is importent to finsih the job in Iraq properly so you don't have to go back, so you have a strong ally in the War on Terror.
SNGAnd five years ago, we had enough troops to do the job in Afghanistan, and enough troops left over to keep as a backup in case some other country thought to cause trouble.
And within a year you will again, in the meantime, NATO is keeping things under control in Afghanistan. It's not like you had a hundred thousand troops there SNG, you had less than twenty thousand 'boots on the ground' when the attention shifted to Iraq.
SNGThe neo-cons blew it, all for that ivory-tower cockamamy plan put forth by the PNAC. They should have focused less on ideological purity and more on connection to reality. "Faith" is all fine and well, except when you're gambling with your nation's future. Then "reality" should take over.
Whatever. AQ operates globally as does the other two hundred Qutbist groups. Not in caves where a handful of them are in Pakistan. The financing is the key as well as the recruiting and destabilizing they do in the rest of the world and Middle East. Your fixation with people living in urine soaked caves thinking they should be the focus of a global campaign while ignoring the rest of the world where active, destabilizing and well financed lethal terrorists conduct here and now activity is biased and wrong.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:46 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The leadership is the key. They are just a bunch of guys waving their weapons in the air, not accomplishing much, if not for the people who masterminded the attacks of 9/11.
Killing 100,000 terrorists isn't going to accomplish much, if all you do is create 10,000,000 potential recruits in the process.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:57 PM |
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SNG The leadership is the key. They are just a bunch of guys waving their weapons in the air, not accomplishing much, if not for the people who masterminded the attacks of 9/11.
Your understanding of AQ is faulty. It is a liquid organization with no hard leadership which is why it is the most sucessful terrorist organization in the world. Cutting of what you believe is the head does nothing as it will simply grow again somewhere else. As for your reference to 911, not sure what that was meant to convey.
SNGKilling 100,000 terrorists isn't going to accomplish much, if all you do is create 10,000,000 potential recruits in the process.
there you go again with a faulty belief. The War on Terror is not about killing terrorists as you simply cannot find them all, identify them all and kill them all rather, it is designed to remove the ability for them to operate by curtailing financing, changing the societies in which they find conductive to their purpose, present roadblocks for ease of travel and communicate as well as turn the social and political specterum against them. It will be won with concentration on banking, human rights, intelligence as well as political reforms, not a shoot 'em up mentality which you seem to believe is the answer.
In order to conduct these methods, you will notice that arms often have to be used as Qutbists fight back by sowing distrust by terrorism and use violence against those who conduct these methods. You will note that Human rights workers as well as charities were targeted by AQ in Iraq. that is the reason as it threatens their ability to conduct operations.
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