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SweetNapaGuy
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For instance, the same God is revered by Christians, Moslems, and Jews, as Heavenly Father, Allah, and Jehovah.
And the God referred to in most documents of the early American republic was none of those, but rather a distant, isolationist Creator/Architect. It was not the "God of the Book," as you keep trying to imply.
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Paralegal_at_Law
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It was not the "God of the Book,"
Proof please. You have a link? Talked to God, lately?
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| Jul 7 @ 9:20 PM |
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Nightowl001
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So, you won't mind if in Missouri court rooms the next time a witness is sworn in, their hand will be placed on a Qu'ran and they will say "So help me, Allah"? After all.. according to you, it's the same God.
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| Jul 7 @ 9:25 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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So, you won't mind if in Missouri court rooms the next time a witness is sworn in, their hand will be placed on a Qu'ran and they will say "So help me, Allah"? After all.. according to you, it's the same God.
The God of Enoch, Abraham, Jacob, and Moses, is the same God that Muhammad prayed to and also the same God to whom Jesus on the Cross cried out "My Lord, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"
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| Jul 7 @ 9:28 PM |
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bamagary
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a repubican quoting the bible thats funny. 
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| Jul 7 @ 9:31 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Proof please. You have a link? Talked to God, lately?
Look at the phrasing. It's Deistic phrasing. "Nature's God," "Divine Architect," "Providence." That's all Deistic. Not Theistic.
I know you're opposed to the study of history, but try to make an exception in this instance.
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| Jul 7 @ 9:35 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Look at the phrasing -- In God We Trust
Remember I am a strict constructionist
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| Jul 7 @ 9:42 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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As mentioned already, did not appear until the 1860s on currency (during a time of crisis) and the 1950s as the national slogan (at a time of repression during the McCarthy years).
In other words, our country managed to get along fine for 70 years prior to the carnage that inspired the inclusion on coinage/currency.
But keep on trying. This country was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment. It may have been drawn from a Christian heritage, but the god-figure was replaced with the Divine Architect, not the Judeo-Christian figurehead.
Remember I am a strict constructionist
Hardly. You play "fast and loose" with the Constitution, as it suits your needs.
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| Jul 7 @ 9:55 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Seems to me a strict constructionist would have objected to the addition of the phrase "In God We Trust," as it was not included anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. 
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| Jul 7 @ 10:40 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Seems to me a strict constructionist would have objected to the addition of the phrase "In God We Trust," as it was not included anywhere in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
I believe that the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, when administering the Constitutional Presidential Oath, ad libbed by appending the postscript "So help me God" when swearing in the President of the United States.
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| Jul 7 @ 10:45 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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It was badly transcribed. The Chief Justice really said "God help us all."
Must have seen characters like Dubya in the future...
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| Jul 7 @ 11:01 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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SNG....so glad you brought up about Deism and its complete integration into our constitutional framework!
They now, our Founding Fathers, will be chastised and driven from our history books as "Devil Worshipers"!
Onward christian soldiers......kill the remnants of the founding father devil worshipers!
para.... he is right christianity has nothing to do with our government!
"Ourselves Alone"
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| Jul 7 @ 11:04 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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he is right christianity has nothing to do with our government!
Some of the groundings come from Christianity. But that sort of stuff derived from older legalistic texts, which had been floating around Southwest Asia for ages.
The Enlightenment only stripped away the elements of superstition and reduced it down to what (at the time, in the value system of their day) seemed like a good core humanistic approach.
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| Jul 7 @ 11:16 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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So what do you suppose is it going to take, to restore the right of Bishops to burn heretics at the stake?
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| Jul 7 @ 11:18 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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So what do you suppose is it going to take, to restore the right of Bishops to burn heretics at the stake?
Considering you'd be considered one such heretic, I'd say a return to the use of whale blubber as a light source.
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| Jul 7 @ 11:20 PM |
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Angel54214
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From what I have read of history, Chester Arthur was the first president to swear the oath with "so help me God."
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| Jul 7 @ 11:23 PM |
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onoudn
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What country was Chester Arthur President of ? Oh never minnd America, wow.....the name doesn't ring a bell. Maybe its the heat.
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| Jul 7 @ 11:29 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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SNG.....my thought of early christianity and our country swirls around Calvinists and "Burning People At The Stake"! 
I know today's brethren want to move back to those good ol'days of yesteryear! When all they had to do was declare him/her a witch then get ready to roast those marshmallows that night!
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| Jul 7 @ 11:34 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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LHL: Please, don't confuse the majority of Christians with those ignorant, backwards, anachronistic fools. Most Christians are just average Joes, wanting to be left alone, not acting on their beliefs any deeper than "sitting in te pew at least a couple times a month."
Then there are people who are from the left end of the religious spectrum, who actually view their faith as an opportunity to show their love for their fellow man.
To lump them in with the cretins is a grave disservice to those who "live and let live" and those who actually act on the core of their faith.
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| Jul 7 @ 11:58 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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SNG....said this...."LHL: Please, don't confuse the majority of Christians with those ignorant, backwards, anachronistic fools....."...!!
When a person posts to a web site his facial features, body movements "AND" the way he says things....are lost in translation!
I do my very best to read between the lines, so to speak, when others are posting. Sometimes I have to read several postings in order to feel this person out as to how he means what he says! 
So, I will make this plain.....I would never lump good Christian People in with some nuts I have come in contact with! 
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