| Jun 28 @ 10:03 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Americans are in a state of war; accordingly, I am at war with the enemy with every fiber of my being, until the unconditional surrender or obliteration of the enemy brings peace.
So, now I ask you, are you at war also or are you a disloyal drone "at peace" with the lawful enemies of the United States of America? Do you extend true faith and allegiance to the United States of America and its duly elected leaders?
This is a roll call to declare if you are part of the war effort or not.
The world awaits your personal answer!
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| Jun 28 @ 10:11 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Some people fight from the front lines. Some protect the ideals they protect by fighting at home. When some fascist tries to turn the country we love into a corporatist slave-state or a theocratic dictatorship, it is in honor of the sacrifices of our fighting men that we oppose these domestic enemies.
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| Jun 28 @ 10:19 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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Paralegal_at_Law
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it is in honor of the sacrifices of our fighting men that we oppose these domestic enemies (by giving aid and comfort to the terrorists)
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| Jun 28 @ 10:25 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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(by giving aid and comfort to the terrorists by letting the brainless neo-cons spread our forces thin by attacking targets that are of a lower priority and not related to the war on terror, by stripping away the liberties which the terrorists find unwholesome, by providing propaganda to aid in recruiting, et cetera et cetera; but hey, killing foreigners who had the bad taste to be born brown-skinned and of a religion that's not my brand of ultra-fundamentalist makes it worth it, even if it hastens the collapse of American power by half a century...)
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| Jun 28 @ 10:39 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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Nightowl001
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we oppose these domestic enemies (by giving aid and comfort to the terrorists)
Care to rephrase that? Here: Remedial English online
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| Jun 28 @ 10:40 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The purpose of this thread is to declare whether you are part of the war effort or are supporting the enemy. I would appreciate it if you could focus
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| Jun 28 @ 10:42 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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SweetNapaGuy
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No, it was grammatically correct. Political nonsense (i.e. "defending our liberties against the assaults of fascists is a treasonable act" is hardly correct thinking), but he at least managed to string words together correctly.
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| Jun 28 @ 10:44 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The purpose of this thread is to declare whether you are part of the war effort or are supporting the enemy. I would appreciate it if you could focus
Ah, but you've improperly defined what is part of the war effort. For instance, you seem to believe that turning this country into the very sort of dictatorship against which this country has fought (more or less...) over the last hundred years to be a part of the war effort.
Those of us who are less self-deluded, however, realize that enemies come and enemies go, but liberties lost are hard to reclaim, and never without bloodshed. There will always be wars, but there might not always be a Bill of Rights--not if people of your political kink/bent have their way.
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| Jun 28 @ 10:47 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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Paralegal_at_Law
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There will always be wars, but there might not always be a Bill of Rights
Yes, the Bill of Rights will perish the very first time America is forced to surrender.
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| Jun 28 @ 10:51 PM |
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Jankia
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Whats understandable Para about this war is who the blame for it is passed onto and why so many have developed the "cut and run" attitude during its progression.
Someone has to be blamed.
Blaming dead terrorists or live terrorists that remain hidden doesnt fullfill anyone.
Blaming ourselves for electing our president doesnt work,it cant be our fault.
So we blame George Bush and we blame our thirst for oil.
We dont blame the advancement of lifes ideals or the differences in what war was about in the last century compared to today.
We blame the war-mongers and those who get rich while our brothers die.
Like you said...America is at war and so am I. Whats the solution?
 Nobody really knows,this war isnt one weve ever fought before.It isnt won on a battlefield or by whoever has the biggest arsenal.
Its won by those that choose freedom over dictatorship.
Freedom isnt won easily or quickly,its won with commitment, hard work, patience, and endurance...perseverance.
Thats what were doing in this war and thats why I continue to stay in support of it,not just for our country but for the world our country is part of.
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| Jun 28 @ 10:55 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Yes, the Bill of Rights will perish the very first time America is forced to surrender.
If you seriously believe that the terrorists have the power to force America to surrender, you have even more contempt for the US than you claim Liberals have. Terrorists can hurt us, they can hurt us badly. However, they are certainly not on the level of Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany, and most definitely not on the level of Cold War Soviet Union.
The only people who have the power to topple the US are people like yourself, who attack the roots of our democracy from within. At this moment, we have no nations capable of threatening our existence (barring nuclear war). In the future, it's very likely (even sooner than I would have believed, because of failed neo-con policies which isolate us internationally, while at the same time spreading our resources increasingly thinner at areas of conflict).
Now? Not a chance. So stop your "America bashing" and rejoin reality.
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| Jun 28 @ 11:03 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Yes, the Bill of Rights will perish the very first time America is forced to surrender.
Well, withdrawing our troops from Iraq is not technically surrender, any more than Vietnam was technically surrendered. However, abrogating any part of the Bill of Rights would be a real surrender.
I will do everything in my power to support our troops, despite the fact that I believe they were betrayed by their government into their perilous position. My loyalty is to my country and its Constitution, not to any political party or its agenda. As has been said by others and far better, I fully believe that this country will survive only as long as it holds to its highest aspirations - and that does not include invading a country that has not attacked us.
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| Jun 28 @ 11:08 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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SweetNapaGuy
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and that does not include invading a country that has not attacked us.
Or invading a country for the monetary gain of campaign donors, or abandoning the ACTUAL mission of the so-called "War on Terror" to engage in military adventurism (and as a consequence, spreading our front-line troops so thin that other potential adversaries are smelling blood in the waters...).
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| Jun 28 @ 11:14 PM |
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Nightowl001
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No, it was grammatically correct. I didn't say it wasn't grammatically correct, SNG. But when interpreted in view of proper grammar, I'm quite certain the statement doesn't say what he intended. The subject is "we," and "by giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is the parenthetical means by which the subject "we" oppose domestic enemies. Really. That's what it says. Absent a retraction, I'm sure the next time Para runs for office, his opponents will be overjoyed to learn there is available for all to read on the internet a blatant confessional statement that he apparently belongs to a group (we) who give aid and comfort to the enemy, to whatever end, thereby opening himself to a charge of treason.
Perhaps he'll get a lighter sentence if he rolls on his buddies in the group and gives up their names.
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| Jun 28 @ 11:16 PM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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Jankia
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As has been said by others and far better, I fully believe that this country will survive only as long as it holds to its highest aspirations - and that does not include invading a country that has not attacked us. Us, is a short word Heaven and any effort to save or even advance freedom in this world is not just about us.
Why did we invade the shores of France?
Why did we invade Germany for that matter,it wasnt about us.
I would say that they were also high aspirations that we managed to survive.
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| Jun 28 @ 11:23 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And again, placing the current conflict at the same level as that against Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany, much less against Cold War Soviet Union, is disingenuous. We're involved in a "brush war." It'd be barely noticeable if it weren't for the fact that we've overextended ourselves by turning it into two "brush wars."
Unlike WW2, our military is less "interchangable and disposable." Thus, for the same expenditure in resources, we can field a force only a tenth of the size. It's got a hundred times the effectiveness, but you still need a minimum number of boots on the ground per square mile...
There is absolutely no need to stage attacks against our Bill of Rights. There is absolutely no need for calls to criminalize the political beliefs of some 80% of the population. There is absolutely no need for lamentations of the "end of the world as we know it" because the political pendulum has temporarily swung to the left. But it seems the neo-cons will do it anyway...
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| Jun 28 @ 11:27 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Why did we invade the shores of France?
Why did we invade Germany for that matter,it wasnt about us.
I would say that they were also high aspirations that we managed to survive.
Since I'm brain dead today, I looked it all up - Japan attacked us, we declared war on Japan. Japan and Germany were allies, Germany then declared war on us. We didn't go in because Britain, France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, or the Netherlands were invaded...they'd been at war for a couple of years at that point, we went in because we were attacked.
Yes, it really IS all about us. We do what we can to help others, but if we don't take care of ourselves (even simple things like protecting our borders) we won't be able to do much for others for very long.
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| Jun 28 @ 11:33 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Absent a retraction, I'm sure the next time Para runs for office, his opponents will be overjoyed to learn there is available for all to read on the internet a blatant confessional statement that he apparently belongs to a group (we) who give aid and comfort to the enemy, to whatever end, thereby opening himself to a charge of treason.
Actually for clarification purposes, I appended (in parenthesis) a phrase to SOMEONE ELSE'S POST. So that sentence had two authors and the word "we" was not originally utilized by your friendly neighborhood loyalist, Moi.
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| Jun 29 @ 12:19 AM |
America is at war; so am I; are you part of the problem or part of the solution?
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SweetNapaGuy
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Absent a retraction, I'm sure the next time Para runs for office, his opponents will be overjoyed to learn there is available for all to read on the internet a blatant confessional statement that he apparently belongs to a group (we) who give aid and comfort to the enemy, to whatever end, thereby opening himself to a charge of treason.
Oh, tish tosh. His opponents can get so much more from his flights of delusion, his obsession with creating a dictatorship, his questionable morals...
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| Jun 29 @ 12:30 AM |
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alivenwell351
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This is a roll call to declare if you are part of the war effort or not.
When those responsible for it have the balls to officially declare war, and treat it as a war, then that might be a valid question. Until then, it's not as there is no validity to calling it a war.
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