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jaybird777
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The point a the thread fer all the warmongers that missed it, is that is a whole lot easier ta put somebody else in danger a physical harm than yerself.
The next time you think you are real bad hurt, think about the folks that are really getting hurt, burnt er killed in Iraq.
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| Jul 1 @ 10:44 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Jaybird, there's something called the "monkeysphere." (Well, really, that's a simplified concept, but I enjoy using it.  ) Basically, based on some anatomy within the brain, compared to other primate group sizes, members of the human species can only relate to about 150 others as if they had any consequence. (Estimate. Ranges from 100 to 230.)
This doesn't necessarily mean they're people you like. Just people you bother to think about.
The chickenhawks can send people they don't know off to get maimed or killed because they're not in the chickenhawk's "monkeysphere." They're not people, not really. They're just "others." And it's no big loss if "others" get hurt. Just as long as it doesn't affect you, personally.
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| Jul 1 @ 11:04 PM |
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nah12
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"so long as men are not trained to withhold judgment in the absence of evidence, they will be led astray by c*cksure prophets, and it is likely that their leaders will be either ignorant fanatics or dishonest charlatans. To endure uncertainty is difficult, but so are most of the other virtues. For the learning of every virtue there is an appropriate discipline....." : Bertrand Russell
a statement that has been true for more years than i've been alive and will continue to be for many years to come......don't believe it look around..... 
nimnul 
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| Jul 2 @ 12:24 AM |
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jaybird777
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a statement that has been true for more years than i've been alive Wow!! That one been around pretty damn long, then
I thnk this broad escaped from the Monkeysphere that Napper was talkin bout
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| Jul 2 @ 4:52 AM |
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nah12
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^^^ Toon vor es
Bertrand Arthur William Russell was born at Trelleck on 18th May, 1872. Bertrand Russel died on February 2, 1970.
His father had wished him to be brought up as an agnostic; to avoid this he was made a ward of Court, and brought up by his grandmother. Instead of being sent to school he was taught by governesses and tutors, and thus acquired a perfect knowledge of French and German. In 1890 he went into residence at Trinity College, Cambridge, and after being a very high Wrangler and obtaining a First Class with distinction in philosophy he was elected a fellow of his college in 1895. But he had already left Cambridge in the summer of 1894 and for some months was attaché at the British embassy at Paris.
In 1903 he wrote his first important book, The Principles of Mathematics, and with his friend Dr. Alfred Whitehead proceeded to develop and extend the mathematical logic of Peano and Frege. From time to time he abandoned philosophy for politics. In 1910 he was appointed lecturer at Trinity College. After the first World War broke out, he took an active part in the No Conscription fellowship and was fined £ 100 as the author of a leaflet criticizing a sentence of two years on a conscientious objector. His college deprived him of his lectureship in 1916. He was offered a post at Harvard university, but was refused a passport.
In 1920 Russell had paid a short visit to Russia to study the conditions of Bolshevism on the spot. In the autumn of the same year he went to China to lecture on philosophy at the Peking university.
In 1938 he went to the United States and during the next years taught at many of the country's leading universities. In 1940 he was involved in legal proceedings when his right to teach philosophy at the College of the City of New York was questioned because of his views on morality.
Russell was elected a fellow of the Royal Society in 1908, and re-elected a fellow of Trinity College in 1944. He was awarded the Sylvester medal of the Royal Society, 1934, the de Morgan medal of the London Mathematical Society in the same year, the Nobel Prize for Literature, 1950.
In a paper "Logical Atomism" (Contemporary British Philosophy. Personal Statements, First series. Lond. 1924) Russell exposed his views on his philosophy, preceded by a few words on historical development.
Principal publications
German Social Democracy, 1896
Foundations of Geometry, 1897
A Critical Exposition of the Philosophy of Leibniz, 1900
Principles of Mathematics, vol. 1, 1903
Philosophical Essays, 1910
(with Dr. A. N. Whitehead) Principia mathematica, 3 vols, 1910-13
The Problems of Philosophy, 1912
Our Knowledge of the External World as a Field for Scientific Method in Philosophy, 1944
Principles of Social Reconstruction, 1916
Mysticism and Logic and Other Essays, 1918
Roads to Freedom: Socialism, Anarchism and Syndicalism, 1918
Introduction to Mathematical Philosophy, 1919
The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism, 1920
The Analysis of Mind, 1921
The Problem of China, 1922
The ABC of Atoms, 1923
(with Dora Russell) The Prospects of Industrial Civilisation, 1923
Logical Atomism, 1924
The ABC of Relativity, 1925
On Education, 1926
The Analysis of Matter, 1927
An Outline of Philosophy, 1927
Sceptical Essays, 1928
Marriage and Morals, 1929
The Conquest of Happiness, 1930
The Freedom and Organisation 1814-1914, 1934
In Praise of Idleness, 1935
Which Way to Peace?, 1936
(with Patricia Russell editor of) The Amberley Papers, 2 vols, 1937
Power: a new Social Introduction to its Study, 1938
An Inquiry into Meaning and Truth, 1941
History of Western Philosophy, 1946
Human Knowledge, its Scope and Limits, 1948
Authority and the Individual, 1949
Unpopular Essays, 1950
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| Jul 2 @ 7:27 AM |
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jaybird777
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THe next time ya burn yer finger on a hot stove, think about the folks comin back from Iraq with burns over 60% a their body.
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| Jul 2 @ 7:27 AM |
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jaybird777
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THe next time ya burn yer finger on a hot stove, think about the folks comin back from Iraq with burns over 60% a their body.
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| Jul 2 @ 11:12 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Tell us what we have to do to stop this Jay.
Please don't tell me that voting in a new president will do that. Pelosi and some of the Dem's in the house and congress already promised that so they would get voted in. I believe they said we would have our troops out within a year.
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| Jul 2 @ 12:31 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Man, I'm sick of hearing that. "Nancy hasn't done squat." Because every move they tried were blocked by Republican fillibusters or a veto they didn't have the votes to override, a veto pen Shrub didn't know he had while the Republicans were the majority. Last month Republicans fillibustered to block deals that would have not let subsidies for alternative energy expire, and blocked deals that would have let corporate welfare for big oil expire and blocked deals that would have taxed a bigger chunk of the windfall profits of the oil companies. The Democratic congress submitted a budget bill that would have tied war funding to a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq, which the President vetoed and which they didn't have votes to override. Then, rather than doing like the butthead Republicans under Clinton, Congress did their job and came up with a budget bill that would pass without veto. The obstructionist practices and policies and politics of the Republicans is what has prevented the Democratic Congress from achieving any of their aims in 2008. Now, I'll admit, Nancy backed down on calling for Bush's impeachment, and that she roundly deserves criticism for. But the rest of it is hardly the fault of the Democratic Congress for not having enough votes to override the obstructionism of the minority party. The people didn't give them enough power to do the things they said they were sending them there to do. I strongly suspect that will not be the case in the next session fo Congress. No matter who the President will be, there should be enough votes on the Democratic side of the aisle to respond to the will of the people in spite of stonewalling from the administration.
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| Jul 2 @ 1:34 PM |
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kattsmeow
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But she promised! Evidently she thought she could do it. Why did she think this??
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| Jul 2 @ 11:00 PM |
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jaybird777
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Tell us what we have to do to stop this Jay.
Please don't tell me that voting in a new president will do that. Pelosi and some of the Dem's in the house and congress already promised that so they would get voted in. I believe they said we would have our troops out within a year. I say 3 months outter be plenty a time ta pack an go.
That's just what I would do.
If the sum total is we helped em, say "Yer welcome"
If the sum total is we hurt em, "Say sorry bout that"
If it's a wash, don't say nothin at all.
Then pack up and get going.
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| Jul 2 @ 11:02 PM |
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Novalite
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Jay I say 3 months outter be plenty a time ta pack an go.
To some I suppose but not to the Iraqi government who wants the US to stay until the end of this year minimum.
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| Jul 2 @ 11:04 PM |
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jaybird777
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To some I suppose but not to the Iraqi government who wants the US to stay until the end of this year minimum. Sorry. Six years is alla they get.
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| Jul 2 @ 11:15 PM |
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Novalite
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Sorry. Six years is alla they get.
Minimum Dec 2008 and Iraq may possibly ask for an extension depending n what the situation is and if the US wi8ll agree to a timetable for withdrawal akin to what Obama is suggesting.
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| Jul 2 @ 11:40 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Within the first 12 hours of being sworn in the new president should have the orders cut and sent! Pull out immediately without delay....you people are coming home! And if one repuke gets in the way have him shot for desertion! 
Have all officers involved with this mercy killing say he was killed while trying to escape to help Al Queda! You know the Bush rule kill all terrorists! yyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
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| Jul 3 @ 2:59 AM |
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Novalite
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Left Within the first 12 hours of being sworn in the new president should have the orders cut and sent! Pull out immediately without delay....you people are coming home! And if one repuke gets in the way have him shot for desertion!
That wold be going against Obama's campaign promise though. So, should you just shoot him now? 
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| Jul 3 @ 7:38 AM |
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jaybird777
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I ain't no big on Obama beller, but the only choice is him an McCain
The two most important things is Nafta & Iraq, and McCain fails miserablitiy on both.
Obama was agin the war ta begin with, is agin it now, want ta pull out. And of al the choices seems the most likely ta pull out first.
McCain wants a 100 year preseence. He is calling for another surge (aboe an beyoud the last one)
HE is a great guy an all, and I respect his service and POWness, but dman skippy, we can't let him get in office.
I am typically a consrvatorial political man, but this time round, there ain't no conservatives runnin.
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| Jul 3 @ 12:18 PM |
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nah12
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You really want to know what is next? Not a damn thing no matter which party is in office. But keep living in your fairytales..........
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| Jul 3 @ 12:33 PM |
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Loreli
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This is how I look at it....
I know something has to be done, but a little too late after 9/11....we should always protect out borders....they can be here anytime...and that's why Bush needs to boot illegals out.
We're the bully at school that someone hangs a kick me sign on about our own country.
AND I got out of the OP-
if you aren't there....little aches and pains are NOTHING.
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| Jul 3 @ 10:18 PM |
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jaybird777
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We're the bully at school that someone hangs a kick me sign on about our own country. I swear, if this woman was here right now, I would bow an kiss her hand.
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