| Jun 29 @ 11:38 PM |
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Jankia
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Due to adverse weather conditions...flooding in the grain belt,grain commodities are at record highs.Corn futures for next March are over $8.
Fortunatly,due to the storage of surplus commodities through our govts cheap food policy which consists of subsidy loan deficiency payments to all farmers...yes the huge farms too...we have surplus grain available.
There has been anger by taxpayers in having billions of there tax money spent in these subsidy payments to farmers but just remember that food will be higher with corn at $8 per bushel but that is much lower then it would be if no subsidies were ever paid out and farmers had to sell grain instead of storing it under the LDP program.
The US average business owners income for farm proprietors two years ago was $7,708.00
For non-farm proprietors it was $29,950
Food will be higher but before all the blame is put on farmers,including huge corporate farmers or on producing an alternative to oil in manufacturing Ethanol, just remember...mother nature had her way again this year.
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| Jun 29 @ 11:47 PM |
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Angel54214
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I know CA is starting to feel the pinch in certain areas due to drought; Avacado farmers are made to cut back 2/3 of their crop due to watering regulations. Then we have as like other states the Somonila problem that is spreading like a wild fire in the produce factories. Lots of different problems hitting all at once huh Jankia.
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| Jun 29 @ 11:50 PM |
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Jankia
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Lots of different problems hitting all at once huh Jankia. Yes...just hope that doesnt mean what were both thinking about...."mother nature" 
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| Jun 29 @ 11:57 PM |
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SunBabe
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I'm just curious...do farmers that export their grain to other countries also receive subsidies?  I believe 1/3 of the US production of grain (wheat, corn, sorgham, etc) is exported. Why not keep it here instead if there's going to be a shortage because of our weather?
Also, the US has billions in oil reserves and they're not sharing with the population to keep prices reasonable...why would they tend to share our grain reserves?
PS, I don't drive anywhere and I don't eat much, so I'm less apt to be affected dramatically. My personal priorities/interests are water and natural gas heat.
Angel, if people would wash their produce properly, there wouldn't be these salmonella outbreaks. Prevention is fairly easy with known cleanliness procedures. 
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| Jun 30 @ 12:08 AM |
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Kenn159
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My personal priorities/interests are water and natural gas heat.
I understand that water is a big issue in Nevada.
How far do you have to dig down there to hit the Aquifer?
I'm bouncing around the idea of a well here.
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| Jun 30 @ 12:14 AM |
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Jankia
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Indivdual farmers dont export Sunbabe,they do it through commodity brokers and farm cooperatives they sell to.
As far as our sharing grain reserves and not oil reserves to keep the consumer cost lower,maybe grain isnt an essential item to have in the case of a possible war conflict here on our soil but oil is?
Or,its because our govt doesnt have a "cheap oil policy"
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| Jun 30 @ 12:26 AM |
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Angel54214
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Here's some statistics on Samonilla outbreaks:
April 2008: The Food and Drug Administration says at least 23 people in 14 states are sickened by the same strain of salmonella found in two breakfast cereals recalled by Malt-O-Meal.
March 2008: More than 400 reported cases of salmonella are linked to contaminated tap water in the Colorado town of Alamosa. Eighteen people had to be hospitalized, and one person died.
March 2008: Dozens of cases of salmonella in 16 U.S. states, including at least 14 that resulted in hospitalization, sparked the recall of imported cantaloupes. The FDA blocks imports of cantaloupes from Honduras-based Agropecuaria Montelibano.
February 2008: Two California companies recall alfalfa sprouts sold across the West after tests detected salmonella. No illnesses were reported.
October 2007: ConAgra Foods Inc. recalls its frozen Banquet pot pies after they were linked to at least 272 cases of salmonella in 35 states.
June 2007: At least 60 people, mostly toddlers, become ill and at least five are hospitalized after eating a snack food called Veggie Booty that contain a strain of salmonella. Robert’s American Gourmet Inc. recalls the product.
February 2007: ConAgra recalls its Peter Pan brand peanut butter, which was eventually linked to at least 625 salmonella cases in 47 states.
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| Jun 30 @ 12:29 AM |
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SunBabe
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~Sheesh~ Nevada is supposedly sitting on the largest aquifer in the country, but I believe it's all controlled by big business and foreign investors.  (Same with minerals and mining). A lot of people have shallow wells (less than 100' deep) and hot water is 25' down right outside of town -- but you have to own the water rights even if it's on your own land...and the local geothermal plant has the hot water wrapped up (When they return it to the ground, it's lukewarm and winds up being pumped who knows where. It's not making it back into the former geothermal aquifer )
And a lot of the groundwater from the mountains is diverted to California. This place could be a green garden paradise if people were allowed to keep the water in the state. (My town is actually dubbed "The Oasis" because of the resevoir and irrigation system. We wouldn't have to starve if we didn't grow and export only hay and alfalfa -- the valley used to be full of orchards, vinyards, and truck farms).
This town of 8500 people is supplied by 4 wells, but the EPA made them construct a sophisticated water treatment facility to remove the new limits of arsenic (didn't get rid of the skin-burning alkali, though  ) -- the thing is that majority of oldtimers generally used to live 85+ years when they grew up on the arsenic laced water, LOL.
I know that in Connecticut it wasn't unusual to have a 1000' well (all bedrock until they'd hit a water pocket -- we were lucky to have an artisian well at 123', but neighbors were generally 300'+ deep)
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| Jun 30 @ 12:39 AM |
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Kenn159
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but you have to own the water rights even if it's on your own land...and the local geothermal plant has the hot water wrapped up (When they return it to the ground, it's lukewarm and winds up being pumped who knows where. It's not making it back into the former geothermal aquifer )
Privatizing water, not good, but seems to be the new big thing in investor circles.
We have resource wars now over oil but I think water will be the resource countries will fight over in the future as Global warming creates droughts and environmental havoc on our planet.
So what would the city do if they found out you just put in a well and didn't purchase water rights?
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| Jun 30 @ 1:32 AM |
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SunBabe
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We're on small lots, so someone would hollar and order cease and desist in a heartbeat.  Out of town people have individual wells, but a certain amount of well-water rights are generally built into their deeds. (It's kind of obvious that they're using extra water if their land is green and all their neighbors are brown). I looked at several interesting, enticing parcels of land and found that the water rights were sold off, so 10-40 acres "ranches" were limited to domestic water usage only...household and maybe a small yard or garden...the rest of the acrage depended on MamaNature, and it doesn't rain very much here -- therefore that'd be 8 1/2 - 39 acres of D-I-R-T and scratchy scrub. The county and state has spies everywhere to enforce their regs.
Funny thing, someone was juist asking me today if maybe I might not have a well point on this lot for my house, since it was built in 1920 -- I'm asking the old guy next door what he thinks because he's lived there forever...I'd break the law and ressurect it if it was possible ~grin~ $25 for 1000 gallons of water bothers me (on top of a matching amount for sewer, and there's just me, then the same for the water treatment charges. I could live practically for free if I didn't need electricity and winter heat -- and to pee  )
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| Jun 30 @ 3:28 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I could live practically for free if I didn't need electricity and winter heat -- and to pee
Just wait until President Obama and the Democratic Congress raise your federal taxes to support thier tax and spend Liberal agenda.
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| Jun 30 @ 3:33 AM |
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SunBabe
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 A person generally needs a JOB to get caught in that racket...and my tax obligations were a whole lot less before the current administration.
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| Jun 30 @ 3:39 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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FYI: Your employment prospects are better in a Free World than in a Socialist state, SunBabe.
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| Jun 30 @ 3:48 AM |
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SunBabe
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I don't WANT or NEED a job ~duh~ IF I wanted one, I go get one -- I'm a survivor all on my own. 
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| Jun 30 @ 5:21 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Due to adverse weather conditions...flooding in the grain belt,grain commodities are at record highs.Corn futures for next March are over $8.
actually you are blaming the wrong person here Jankia...( imho as usual)
we have had inclement weather before.. this is not something new.. what is new is the amount of corn that has been used for ethanol production..(under subsidy ..)
 and you totally forgot about canada...
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in other words... talking heads have no brains.. they just talk...
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| Jun 30 @ 6:47 AM |
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RareQuestor
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Food will be higher but before all the blame is put on farmers,including huge corporate farmers or on producing an alternative to oil in manufacturing Ethanol, just remember...mother nature had her way again this year.
It is also worth noting that the the human population of the Earth has increased by approximately 195 million people in the past two years--and that is in addition to the 6.6 billion people that must already be fed.
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| Jun 30 @ 7:45 AM |
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Jankia
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GH- actually you are blaming the wrong person here Jankia...( imho as usual)
talking heads have no brains.. they just talk...
You make having no brains quite clear yourself Gallows,people with brains know how to read.I'll quote myself here so you can take this to whoever helps you with your phonics.
before all the blame is put on farmers,including huge corporate farmers or on producing an alternative to oil in manufacturing Ethanol, just remember...mother nature had her way again this year.
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| Jun 30 @ 8:46 AM |
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sealacamp
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Angel, if people would wash their produce properly, there wouldn't be these salmonella outbreaks.
Actually washing is not a solution as demonstrated by the recent outbreak with tomatoes. The disease is growing inside the fruit and can't be detected because of where it is. That is why you continue to see the cases of infection rise. I'm not sure why it is happening as this is the first I have ever heard of something like this but washing surely won't solve the problem.
I'm a survivor all on my own.
Nice thought highly unlikely. No one, no thing, no situation involving other people assist your survival at all? Not a very realistic viewpoint imo.
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| Jun 30 @ 10:33 AM |
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Kenn159
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We're on small lots, so someone would hollar and order cease and desist in a heartbeat. Out of town people have individual wells, but a certain amount of well-water rights are generally built into their deeds. (It's kind of obvious that they're using extra water if their land is green and all their neighbors are brown). I looked at several interesting, enticing parcels of land and found that the water rights were sold off, so 10-40 acres "ranches" were limited to domestic water usage only...household and maybe a small yard or garden...the rest of the acrage depended on MamaNature, and it doesn't rain very much here -- therefore that'd be 8 1/2 - 39 acres of D-I-R-T and scratchy scrub. The county and state has spies everywhere to enforce their regs.
Funny thing, someone was juist asking me today if maybe I might not have a well point on this lot for my house, since it was built in 1920 -- I'm asking the old guy next door what he thinks because he's lived there forever...I'd break the law and ressurect it if it was possible ~grin~ $25 for 1000 gallons of water bothers me (on top of a matching amount for sewer, and there's just me, then the same for the water treatment charges. I could live practically for free if I didn't need electricity and winter heat -- and to pee )
If it was me personally I won't care about water for a nice lawn,I like to zero scape with native plants that will survive off of what nature gives them.
My front ard has plenty of trees but my back is like the desert,so I have been planting many native trees to help cool the house and retain moister in the soil.
I plant them in the rainy season [summer].so no need to water.
The reason I'm thinking about a well is just for drinking water,I have always prefered clean well water compaired to city clorine processed crap.
And if you installed a well for drinking water,there would be no need for a septic or connecting the waste lines to the city sewer.
You wouldn't even have to have a motor,Mother Earth sells the old hand crank kind.
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| Jun 30 @ 11:10 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Jankia.. if you thought I was calling you a talking head.. you were wrong... actually I was saying that you are parroting talking heads...
now.. was I really supposed to wade through your whole post to find that part you quoted..or was I supposed to assume that this...
Due to adverse weather conditions...flooding in the grain belt,grain commodities are at record highs.Corn futures for next March are over $8.
with a scareline of this.
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was the focal point of your thread??
now be a good person and reread my post...
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