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| Jul 1 @ 9:47 AM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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Paralegal_at_Law
Posts: 4,946
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The general election this year will feature an interesting factor. While the ballot will list the names of Senators Barack Obama and John McCain, the real race will actually be Obama vs. Obama.
I say this because the presidential race has in fact become a national referendum and plebiscite exclusively on the merits of Barak Obama and his suitability to be President of the United States of America.
John McCain lacks money, is of advanced years, and is wading in a civics parade through the political manure of George W. Bush, all of which facts is a turn off among people who are easily distracted and are not the political scientists of America who as political scientists, have political decisions that are governed by principle rather than the slick packaging of politicians by spin artists, advertising companies, and the demogogic ability, in like manner as Adolph Hitler, be able to mesmerize a people that are burdened with resentments by the powers of his sweeping oratory skills
So the real decision is how many people are going to vote for, or vote against Obama?
For instance, there are voters who have no affection for John McCain, who will vote Republican in November because Barak Obama is a more hard care leftist than is the admitted Socialist who is actually listed in Congress as an "Independent."
Others will focus on Obama's ongoing flirtation with the terrorist Hamas organization, as is evidenced by one of his staffers meeting with Hamas, another of his fundraisers having been Chairman of a fraudulent Islamic charity that was shut down by the FBI for unlawfully funneling money to Hamas, and by a senior Hamas figure openly endorsing Obama for President; all of which facts bode grave inport for the true friends of Israel in America. While many are ready to embrace Obama, they will hesitate if in so doing, they are also clandestinely embracing Hamas.
Obama's status as the most liberal member of the United States Senate is undeniable. Conservatives recoil from Liberals and regard such persons in like manner as the substance when stepped into, is scraped with disgust from your shoes, because the Liberals have zero tolerance of any other political thought other than their sanctioned notions. Differ from the Liberal agenda and you will be punished in both the public sector and also the private sector, when Liberals hold power. In the public sector, appointees to governmental posts of any portfolio are judged on their embrace of abortion with persons not zealous enough in the worship of abortion being "not fit to hold public office." In the private sector, such as is the case among school teachers and their liberal democratic oriented NEA Union, just try to be a conservative teacher among liberal peers and you will discover the real meaning of job discrimination, peer rejection, and the laying of traps to engulf the conservative in a negative manner with school administrators. Punishment for not being liberal in both the private and public sector is an ongoing tightrope walk for conservatives who experience real discrimination as punishment for their views.
So the real electoral contest this year is Obama vs. Obama. The referendum will be on his character, his patriotism, his experience, his embrace of Marxism in his youth and his continued Marxist associations while in college, his Islamic upbringing, his lack of having made a material contribution to Mom, Apple Pie, and the American way through honorable military service, and Obama's vague promise of change, without defining the sharp tangent that he envisions to divert the American civic parade to march towards.
It is very much Obama vs. Obama, and if the Republican wins, it is only because he is the beneficiary of the votes cast AGAINST Obama, rather than by reason of having been the leader of a movement which propels him into the Oval Office in January, 2009.
Your further analysis is eagerly requested.
[Edited on 7/1/2008 9:54 AM]
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| Jul 1 @ 9:50 AM |
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bamagary
Posts: 814
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law i hope you don't really think. a republican is going to be in the white house in 2009. but you can thank bush. republican have screwed up everything. every body has dreams. even you i see.
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| Jul 1 @ 9:57 AM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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SweetNapaGuy
Posts: 3,937
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Obama's status as the most liberal member of the United States Senate is undeniable.
As defined by whom? Perchance some neo-con think tank?
Repeating, ad nauseum, the usual manure being spread around by the neo-con blogsphere seems to be the standard operating procedure.
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| Jul 1 @ 10:01 AM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama |
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bamagary
Posts: 814
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most neocons use rule one. from the republican playbook. if you cant win an argument blame bill Clinton.
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| Jul 1 @ 6:22 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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kattsmeow
Posts: 20,399
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is very much Obama vs. Obama, and if the Republican wins, it is only because he is the beneficiary of the votes cast AGAINST Obama, rather than by reason of having been the leader of a movement which propels him into the Oval Office in January, 2009.
Sadly this is true. I do like Sen McCain, and he has my vote. If Sen Clinton had won, I would be trying to decide between the two.
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| Jul 1 @ 7:03 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama |
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onoudn
Posts: 3,734
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well if it's Obama v Obama at least we know who is going to win; as if there's any doubt Obama's going to spank Mc Cain like a red head step child.
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| Jul 1 @ 7:10 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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kattsmeow
Posts: 20,399
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 Red headed step child,,,I haven't heard that one in awhile!
Right now Sen Obama is in Ohio talking about federal funding for religious organizations. He thinks it can be done even with the separation of church and state.
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| Jul 1 @ 7:19 PM |
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onoudn
Posts: 3,734
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I hope I haven't offened any red-heads.....that would be couter-intuitive because I love red-heads.....anyway....here's a little bit of what Obama has to say on separation of church and state. Let's not forgot he was a professor of constitutional law... For my friends on the right, I think it would be helpful to remember the critical role that the separation of church and state has played in preserving not only our democracy but also our religious practice. Folks tend to forget that during our founding, it wasn't the atheists or the civil libertarians who were the most effective champions of the First Amendment. It was the persecuted minorities, it was Baptists like John Leland who didn't want the established churches to impose their views on folks who were getting happy out in the fields and teaching the scripture to slaves
source
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| Jul 1 @ 7:23 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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kattsmeow
Posts: 20,399
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"I didn't grow up in a particularly religious household," Obama said. "But my experience in Chicago showed me how faith and values could be an anchor in my life.  "And in time, I came to see my faith as being both a personal commitment to Christ and a commitment to my community; that while I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work," he said.  Obama's outlined proposals including a new Council for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships and $500 million a year to fund summer teaching programs. In his speech, Obama cited past efforts by both Democrats and conservative Republicans to combine faith and federal funding.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign2-2008jul02,0,5641944.story
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| Jul 1 @ 7:25 PM |
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onoudn
Posts: 3,734
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Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of non-believers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community.
emphasis added by "O".......nation of Buddhist.....I think I'm going to cry.....   
same source as above in last post..^^^^^
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| Jul 1 @ 7:49 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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onoudn
Posts: 3,734
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"Make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don't believe this partnership will endanger that idea -- so long as we follow a few basic principles," Obama said.
"First, if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them -- or against the people you hire -- on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we'll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work."
more....thank for this link angel...
amen
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| Jul 1 @ 7:49 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama |
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onoudn
Posts: 3,734
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"Make no mistake, as someone who used to teach constitutional law, I believe deeply in the separation of church and state, but I don't believe this partnership will endanger that idea -- so long as we follow a few basic principles," Obama said.
"First, if you get a federal grant, you can't use that grant money to proselytize to the people you help and you can't discriminate against them -- or against the people you hire -- on the basis of their religion. Second, federal dollars that go directly to churches, temples, and mosques can only be used on secular programs. And we'll also ensure that taxpayer dollars only go to those programs that actually work."
more....thank for this link angel...
amen
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| Jul 1 @ 8:33 PM |
Obama vs. McCain, or better yet, Obama vs. Obama
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kattsmeow
Posts: 20,399
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May I be the first to ask everyone to remember that all this talk from both sides is not something they can do on their own, and no they aren't going to do it in the first year either. ( Pelosi???)
I have learned so much since I have grown up about Politics. I do understand things just can't be done right away, and sometimes not at all. ( no matter what they say)
Good ideas yes! Just that they tend to hit brick walls when they get there.
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| Jul 1 @ 8:45 PM |
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Nightowl001
Posts: 3,139
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So the real decision is how many people are going to vote for, or vote against Obama? In all likelihood, enough will vote for him and too few will vote against him that he will attain the office.
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| Jul 1 @ 9:47 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
Posts: 3,937
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And in all likelihood, there will be enough moderates on the Democratic side to keep the feared (and likely simply neo-con lies) worst excesses of a President Obama. (Can't count on the moderates on the Republican side. They've spent the last 18 years trimming out the independent, moderate thinkers...)
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| Jul 1 @ 9:54 PM |
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alivenwell351
Posts: 1,314
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The REAL story of this election is that given the complete incompetence of Bush and the chickenhawks and the state of the economy down on Main Street, it should be a slam dunk for the dems...the election should a landslide of Reagan '84 proportions....
And it won't be!!...while I believe (sadly) that Obama will win by 3-5 points, it'll be a contest. And the fact that it will be doesn't say a whole lot about the dems...
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| Jul 1 @ 9:56 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
Posts: 3,937
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And it won't be!!...while I believe (sadly) that Obama will win by 3-5 points, it'll be a contest. And the fact that it will be doesn't say a whole lot about the dems...
They didn't have anyone really great running this time around. Then again, neither do the Republicans. It's like no-one wants to take over from the mess Bush left behind, and want to come in when the country is on an upswing, four to eight years from now.
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| Jul 1 @ 10:01 PM |
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alivenwell351
Posts: 1,314
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It's like no-one wants to take over from the mess Bush left behind,
Hmmmm....I think Billary wanted it bad...REAL bad!!
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| Jul 1 @ 10:10 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
Posts: 3,937
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Hmmmm....I think Billary wanted it bad...REAL bad!!
Only a valid candidate because everyone who was minimally qualified said, "Eh, I'll wait for the next election."
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