| Jul 3 @ 3:29 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNI
This is an You Tube presentation detailing medical care for an Illegal Alien.
The medical care for this patient was over 1.5 million dollars. Then the hospital paid $30,000 to fly this patient back to his country.
His family is now suing this hospital and the cost is over $200,000 dollars in legal fees and costs.
There is more, Another illegal in this story, an Illegal Mexican over 700 days has cost this hospital over another 1.5 million.
This person speaking said that throughout the U.S. over 100 million dollars spent on health care for illegals every year.
So, you want national health care? Do you? Get rid of the illegals, ship them back, build a high tech fence with surveilance planes to keep eye on the ground on both sides of the fence, and fine any CEO or Send Any CEO to jail who hires illegals. Get rid of amnesty cities or whatever they are called.
And, this is not the whole cost on American society from Illegals.
Drug Trafficing and arrest in some cases if it is an illegal they are sent to a sanctuary city. A recent case in San Francisco, and when I can find link to that will provide it.
Then top that with cost to our school systems.
Get rid of them, send them packing, send all who hire or give them sanctuary to jail, or let those who want to keep them here to pay for their every expense.
You cant have it both ways. And I doubt the Liberals are willing to pay all this out of their own pockets.
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| Jul 3 @ 7:49 AM |
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sealacamp
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| Jul 3 @ 8:58 AM |
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hammered
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@ crouchingtiger
No disrespect intended but I am little confused by the thread title.
I am opposed to illegal immigration as well. Unfortunately we are going to shafted by both parties on the issue.
National healthcare scares me to death , it has some positives but the negatives scare me.
But we have an awful problem with insurance companies and their conflicting interest. They are in business to make money , that means denying care , rigging qualifications or eligibility status to sift out or escape payment for services they were contracted to pay.
Lawyers thrive off the injustice , shareholders profit and that does provide some innovation in pursuit of big profits.
But it is tough on small business as well , and it does serve as a ball and chain to limit job mobility. If you have a heath problem you may be hindered with changing employers because your pre existing condition has your hand tied.
Your employer has tremendous power then , more than they should.
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| Jul 3 @ 9:21 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The only national health care I want is United States Department of Veteran's Affairs clinics and hospitals.
if the liberals want national health care, they DO NOT need a new law authorizing this benefit; all they have to do is take one step forward, raise their right hand and take the armed forces entrance oath with a six year military obligation, including some time on active duty, and also a number of some time in the inactive reserves after being mustered out of active duty, which oath to be taken is the one "to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign and domestic and to obey the lawful orders of my superior officers," serve their hitch and get an honorable discharge.
This national health care fringe benefit is available to both males and females, without discrimination whatsoever.
Accordingly, every man and woman age 18 to the terminal enlistment age can enhance the value of their citizenship by fulfilling their moral obligation to serve one hitch in defense of our country. Those that refuse to do so, are precisely the kind of people that I object to paying taxes to provide any national health care, by reason that the shirker should not enjoy the same benefit as the veteran who bore the burden of battle and with the sweat of his or her loyal brow earned the national health care coverage that should not be made freely available to the couch potatoes who demand (not ask) what their country can do for them, rather than asking what they can do for their country.
To level the playing field, I do believe that the able-bodied enlistment requirements should be waived, because in today's high tech military, robot weapons and predator drones are operated by troops who use skills much like playing computer video games, with joysticks and watching a monitor, which means that a 21st Century American warrior can be wheelchair bound and still operate a keyboard, joystick, and watch a monitor and be just as effective as able-bodied enlistees.
I am certain that a military job can be performed by anyone, including stuffing and licking envelopes while on duty.
I do understand that there are a substantial number of people who evidence the depths of the utter disdain and predisposition to be disloyal with a "loath the military" attitude; those are precisely the lack of moral fibers that gives rise to the Biblical admonishment that "the idler shall not eat the worker's bread."
Naturally, the elderly who did not serve should receive medicare and medicaid, however if there is universal induction (conscientious objectors should be able to join a noncombatant division of the National Guard that is never deployed to combat a foreign hostile force or enemy and in the alternative would simply provide a disaster response to hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, and execute the laws to suppress lawlessness when called out to do so.
People who refuse to serve should be told metaphorically by the "little red hen" citizens who did honorably serve in the armed forces that "I made the bread, you did not help, and now I will eat the bread by myself."
The Utopian-American viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Jul 3 @ 9:38 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Just tossing it out there, but alternatively, we should provide three tiers of service.
Preventative care (i.e. the normal office visits, broken bones, the generic prescriptions to keep health conditions under control, whatever it takes to keep workers healthy and on the job) should be covered by national healthcare. It's in employers' best interest to keep the workers healthy. (How many reports of "$x trillion lost to worker illness" do we need to see to get this?) Add in programs of addiction recovery, weight loss, exercise, to give workers every chance to improve their health.
I'd even consider having it require a co-pay (based on means) and a deductible, to reduce the cost to the government.
Crisis care (i.e. debilitating illness, reconstructive plastic surgery, long term care, et cetera) should be insurance-covered, and provided by businesses as a benefit, perhaps with subsidies from the government (especially for those who have been laid off). It's a matter of decency, to provide comfort to those in desperate times. Maybe have the government step in once the insurance maximums have been reached.
Elective care (i.e. non-reconstructive plastic surgery, et cetera) would be wholly personal funded.
Just a sketch, but something that's leaps and bounds more practical than a universal draft to fuel global conquest.
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| Jul 3 @ 9:52 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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napaguy
I liked the idea in part of the 3-tier system especially for preventitve care.
but is it unfair if there is care at the next two levels for those not with company insurance that each person should take action where they can to be in shape, not smoke, not addicted to adult beverages and drugs?
unreasonabe.
as to the otehr poster
the reason i tied the link from florida to national health care is simple.
if national health care were to be put in motion, then the liberals would demand care for illegals as well. that would drive the cost beyond sight.
or an illegal needs a kidney and an american needs a kidney, who do you give it to?
ANy takers that liberals say; give it to the illegal?
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| Jul 3 @ 11:03 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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if national health care were to be put in motion, then the liberals would demand care for illegals as well. that would drive the cost beyond sight.
or an illegal needs a kidney and an american needs a kidney, who do you give it to?
ANy takers that liberals say; give it to the illegal?
don't you " conservatives" ever get tired of spouting this crap?
health care should not be for profit...end of story..
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| Jul 3 @ 11:11 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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if national health care were to be put in motion, then the liberals would demand care for illegals as well. that would drive the cost beyond sight.
or an illegal needs a kidney and an american needs a kidney, who do you give it to?
ANy takers that liberals say; give it to the illegal?
don't you " conservatives" ever get tired of spouting this crap?
health care should not be for profit...end of story.. h
Then tell that to the hospital that has to pay its janitors, and orderlies.
Forget paying the top nurses and doctors
because this is medicine they can work for free? Right.
The hospital doesn't have to pay its light bill
don't have to pay insurance for property protection such as against fires,
hospitals don't need new equipment or all those that make new equipment will give it away.
but then these manufacturers don't have to pay their electric bills
those that make medicines, same story,
and so on and so forth.
It cost to run a hospital and illegals don't give shit to the system but take and take.
Sounds like lazy liberals, are you a lazy liberal...
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| Jul 3 @ 11:13 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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nope.. and I have a brain... do you? 
not for profit has nothing to do with anything you typed.... 
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| Jul 3 @ 11:20 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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nope.. and I have a brain... do you?
not for profit has nothing to do with anything you typed
Gallows, good, but if no profit, on what do they operate, a loss?
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| Jul 3 @ 11:23 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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tell you what...after you think about it for awhile ..just maybe the answer will hit you... ah hell.. that would take far too long...I'll try to simplify it for you
profit is what's left over after all expenses are deducted from income...
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| Jul 3 @ 11:54 AM |
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crouchingtiger
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tell you what...after you think about it for awhile ..just maybe the answer will hit you... ah hell.. that would take far too long...I'll try to simplify it for you
profit is what's left over after all expenses are deducted from income...
I'm aware of that, but if hospitals are not to run on a profit as you assert then what do they operate on? and Remember this is about illegal aliens sucking up all the resources and they are not contributing to the american economy.
Did you by the way look at the you tube interview?
It was stated that over 100 million dollars per year are being sucked up by illegals using our medical faciliities.
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| Jul 3 @ 12:10 PM |
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eastham
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One of the areas in which we would benefit from national health care is childhood obesity.
The rate of obesity in children is climbing and it disproportionately affects those children who are not insured and therefore not under the regular supervision of a pediatrician. Having a child under a pediatrician's regular care is important. If a child is overweight, a pediatrician can intervene and counsel the parent about nutrition, exercise and sleep.
Being a good parent is learned and not innate. Many parents are unaware of the link between good sleep patterns and weight -- it's not simply diet. That said, the working poor, because of split shifts, etc, are far more likely to eat fast food and fewer veggies.
Obese children don't simply have health issues. They go down a road that has economic implications for their entire lives. They have higher levels of absenteeism in school as well as behavior problems in school, both are markers for future success.
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| Jul 3 @ 12:14 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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It was stated that over 100 million dollars per year are being sucked up by illegals using our medical faciliities
this has nothing to do with national health care...make up your mind which way you want this thread to go...
do you want to talk about national health care?? or bash illegals ....
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| Jul 3 @ 12:54 PM |
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uab_5
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Do You Really Want National Health Care?
Yes!
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| Jul 3 @ 1:00 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I want something for the people that can't get it. Even people that are working and can't afford it should get it.
Preventive medicine too. Check ups once or twice a year, along with eye and dental once a year.
I don't want to wait 3 4 months to get into my Dr. though. From what I hear, that is the way it is in Canada??
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| Jul 3 @ 1:15 PM |
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bamagary
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since no one seems to speak for the poor of america. i will. some health care is better then none. not everyone can go to the doctor when they have to. some people have to make a choice. do i go to doctor. or do i pay my rent or do i buy food. or do i pay my light bill.
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| Jul 3 @ 4:52 PM |
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eastham
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You are correct. Far too many people are forced to make terrible decisions. Do I eat today or buy my medicine. It is no wonder we are seeing slippage in the length of life statistics in this country. Forget how we compare to other countries (we are 14th), we are losing ground against our own benchmarks.
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| Jul 3 @ 8:59 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I have a friend who works 40 hours a week, takes two classes a semester in night class, and cares for her children. After paying for rent, food, gas (!!!!), and so on, she can't afford to cover her children on our health insurance.
She's a hard worker, studying to be a nurse, but in the meantime, she's up sh*t creek if any of her children get sick. She can be bankrupted, all for want of a little coverage...
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| Jul 3 @ 9:08 PM |
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bamagary
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before i lucked up and found a good job. on 11/17/2003. i had a heart attack. my bill for 4 days was 57.000 dollars. I'm still paying for it till this day.if not for my desire of classic cars. i would have never been able to at least pay half of my bill. it hurt real bad selling my 1968 chevelle. and my Harley motorcycle. but I'm still living so I'm kind of thankful. i no the government will mess up health insurance. but hell there the government. what do you expect.
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