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SweetNapaGuy
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To those opposed to national healthcare: Poorly-run government healthcare is worse than NO healthcare in what way, exactly? Because there's 45-million (give or take; it's getting worse, as businesses are laying off hundreds of thousands of employees this year alone) people who'd love to hear the answer to that question, as they hope that nothing goes wrong and they don't need healthcare...
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| Jul 3 @ 9:55 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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All the slackers had to do was enlist for one tour of duty in the military and if honorably discharged, they would enjoy VA Hospital care for the rest of their life.
But they didnt think of it, or they loathed the military and now I am supposed to reward them for their lack of patriotism and refusal to serve their country?
No way.
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| Jul 3 @ 10:05 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Doctors are in fact the LEADING cause of death in this country. In all fairness, doctors themselves are not to blame for all of this. The entire modern health care system, however, is to blame for allowing, even promoting, so many unnecessary procedures, drugs and mishaps. This illustrates precisely why the system is so desperately in need of change.
By Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy Smith PhD
A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.
The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic [induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures] deaths shown in the following table is 783,936.
It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251. Leading Cause of Death in the US
No, I think I'll just stay home and try a few natural herbs.
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| Jul 3 @ 10:16 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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All the slackers had to do was enlist for one tour of duty in the military and if honorably discharged, they would enjoy VA Hospital care for the rest of their life.
Technically, only a small fraction of the population is fit for duty (i.e. physically fit, sufficiently clean record, et cetera).
But you keep pushing the "universal draft." Not enough killing going on, you want to make sure that entire generations of Americans are winnowed down to cripples and corpses?
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| Jul 4 @ 12:08 AM |
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Nightowl001
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All the slackers had to do was enlist for one tour of duty in the military and if honorably discharged, they would enjoy VA Hospital care for the rest of their life. Once again, EmPara shows he is not only unclothed but has no soul.
On September 30, 1963, President John F. Kennedy established the Task Force on Manpower Conservation to investigate why, in 1962, an astonishing 49.8 percent of 306,073 Selective Service draftees failed their pre-induction peacetime medical and/or mental aptitude examinations, thus disqualifying them for military service. Beyond its obvious implications for national military preparedness, in the President’s view21 these figures presented arresting evidence of both the diminished, yet preventable, health status of low-income children and the long-term strength and productivity of the nation.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:22 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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an astonishing 49.8 percent
It'd be higher now. The number of "waivers" required to allow people to join is increasing dramatically (though they're working on that--by loosening standards so fewer waivers are required).
But who are we to piss on Para's dreams of millions of drones, giving salutes as they goose-step past his podium? He REALLY wants to see every single American in uniform, whether the military wants them or not...
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| Jul 4 @ 12:24 AM |
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bardnsage
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This is all very nice, but all of you are just shitting in your mess kit.
Take out the proffit, and that big white building will be a nice low rent apartment complex I guess. Without the proffit, how are you going to justify new equipment, new R&D, best and brightest doctors,,,,, etc. You are not.
As far as the illegals,,, this is just a red hearing. 100,000,000 is peanuts to the overall picture.
Why don't you smart people, go ask a doctor or a hospitol what costs them more,,,, the free services they give away and write off,,,,, or their insurance premium for medical malpractice.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:25 AM |
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lacyvsq
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He REALLY wants to see every single American in uniform, whether the military wants them or not... Either that or hanged for treason.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:28 AM |
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bardnsage
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The real sad part about Para's dream,,,,, he's going to get it. From the hands of B. H. Obama.....and his "service" plan.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:29 AM |
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lacyvsq
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...or their insurance premium for medical malpractice.
Given that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States, their money is probably well-placed.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:36 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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From the hands of B. H. Obama.....and his "service" plan.
Not quite. Not that I approve of turning our students into "Clockwork Oranges," but there's a difference between Obama's plan (for providing domestic and international aid via enforced volunteerism) and Para's plan (for providing hordes of soldiers to allow him to invade half of the world, all strangely without consequence).
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| Jul 4 @ 12:38 AM |
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bardnsage
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I don't think so....
tell me how a illegal alien, making less than $50K per year, is worth the money he is sueing for,,,, he ain't. I know that sounds cold, but we don't have a problem calculating a person's "worth" when they are injured at work,,,,, how come we can't do it if they are injured in a hospitol.
Further, if Dr.s and medical establishments were not having to fork over between 30 and 40% of their revenue for insurance premiums,,,,,they might could afford to higher more staff to beds, get better doctors, etc.
Do you think an insurance company would send someone to Thailand or India for surgury, simply because the doctor is cheaper. The doctor's fees are only a fractrion of your total costs. It's the extra fees that run up your bill. The insurance premiums are molded into the cost of food, costs of supplies, cost of medicine,,,,,, that's why a hospitol aspirin costs $8.00 a hit.
Second, the dirty little secret,,,,, is that US TORT LAWS do not extend to India, Thialand, etc....... if you die,,,,you die,,,, assumed risk. Done. So sorry,,,,,
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| Jul 4 @ 12:38 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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or their insurance premium for medical malpractice.
A small percentage of doctors incurs the bulk of malpractice lawsuits. Why haven't the doctors cleaned up their own house, rather than trying to limit the injured parties from suing for incompetence?
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| Jul 4 @ 12:49 AM |
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lacyvsq
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There is a cancer treatment in Germany that runs about 30k. Treatment for cancer in the US runs more around 300k. The treatment was discovered in the US, but has been shelved here because it will actually cure cancer -- and the pharm corps would not make their obscene profits. And there would be less funds for cancer research. Oh, and once cured, a patient is put on a special diet -- less money for big agriculture and big chemical...a drag on the big corporate profit...
Curing disease (as opposed to treating the symptoms of illness) is just plain unamerican.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:53 AM |
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Kenn159
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What kind of cancer have they been sucessful in curing and do you have a link?
If this is true we need to put this information out there, because many are suffering.
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| Jul 4 @ 12:59 AM |
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bardnsage
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OH, that's a great question.
It is just a small number of doctors and hospitols who have the huge claims. But you would be shocked at the number of malpractice claims your own doctor has, and yes he does. Remember, you do not have to be right, to make a claim. You just need an attorney to sue the Dr.,,,,, and anyone can be sued for anything.
Legal costs of defending claims is staggering. (attorneys,,,,both sides of the fence),,,, and for small claims,,,,, less than 10K,,,,,it is CHEAPER TO SETTLE. So, client with a bogus claim, get's cash,,,,,the plantif attorney get's cash,,,,,the defense attorney gets cash,,,,,, all paid by the insurance company, who pass the cost on TO ALL OF THE POLICY HOLDERS WHEN THEY RENEW,,,,,who pass the costs on to you and me via increased charges and fees, which we pass on to our health insurance company, who passes it on to our employer, who passes it right back to...US.
For legitamat claims, the settlements are so inflated, that you routinely hear about claims over $1,000,000. So, how does an insurance company fund this kind of risk? By rasing premiums on all of their policy holders, who have the same type of insurance and business. But, in one more evil twist,,,,,, the primary malpractice insurance companies, spread their risk by purchasing (re-insurance). Re-insureance is a policy an insurance company buys from a re-insurer, to limit their own costs for catastrophic losses. IE,,,, the big ones.
There are only two companies that provide this type of re-insurance, and when they pay the big claims, they raise their rates to the insurance companies, who pass the cost on TO ALL OF THE POLICY HOLDERS WHEN THEY RENEW,,,,,who pass the costs on to you and me via increased charges and fees, which we pass on to our health insurance company, who passes it on to our employer, who passes it right back to...US.
The general health care customer, only sees the last parts of the process,,,,, thier bill, thier personal insurance company premiums and EOB's, etc.
This then becomes the target of all of the national health care plans. Just the last two pieces of the puzzel,,,, cause that's what most consumers understand.
Why do we not hear about National Health Care Plans changing the rest of the equation,,,,, because the predominant vocation of our law makers is what? You guessed it..... and to threaten the golden goose would bring all hell down on them from the Trial Attorney's Association Lobby, of which they belong, and except funds. One of the largest contributing lobbies on the hill.
Even the """"all bow""""" Hillery Health Care Plan,,,,, did not address this paradox.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:00 AM |
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Kenn159
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My father before he passed got a lifelong friend of our family to take Artemisinin for her breast cancer and it appears to have sent it into remission for the last two years with so far no sign of a return.
Thank God.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:07 AM |
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Kenn159
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Legal costs of defending claims is staggering. (attorneys,,,,both sides of the fence),,,, and for small claims,,,,, less than 10K,,,,,it is CHEAPER TO SETTLE. So, client with a bogus claim, get's cash,,,,,the plantif attorney get's cash,,,,,the defense attorney gets cash,,,,,, all paid by the insurance company, who pass the cost on TO ALL OF THE POLICY HOLDERS WHEN THEY RENEW,,,,,who pass the costs on to you and me via increased charges and fees, which we pass on to our health insurance company, who passes it on to our employer, who passes it right back to...US.
This is why everyone that owns a house should live in one of the five states in the united states that offers 100 percent Homestead .
If your state is not one of the five,then push for it.
The benefit of this is ,no one can ever sue you and take your home.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:12 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Strange when our laws are "for" the outraged.....yay for us! But, when it is not to their liking....it is un-american and against all our principles to allow!
To those people that want to throw out what they don't like and keep what they like....I say move out of this country and start your own! Leave this one like it is.....I kinda like it that way!
Equal Justice Under the Law is there for grievances! Our Founding Fathers kinda liked the idea of letting thieves, crooks, killers, and the list is endless.....find out all their monetary gain is at risk when you harm others in your zeal to cut corners or kill and maim others!
edited to correct my spelling....
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| Jul 4 @ 1:36 AM |
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bardnsage
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WTF.....
OK, I'll play...
To those people that want ot throw out what they don't like and keep what they like....I say move out of this country and start your own! Leave this one like it is.....I kinda like it that way! IF you don't like people like this, and have no tolerance for them,,,, where should we send your luggage.
Equal Justice Under the Law is there for grievances! Our Founding Fathers kinda liked the idea of letting thieves, crooks, killers, and the list is endless.....find out all their monetary gain is at risk when you harm others in your zeal to cut corners or kill and maim others!
Which document of our founding fathers has this. I'd like to check that out. Second, how come I, me, you, have to pay for the grievances of others. Did you not see how the costs are passed right back to.....US. I didn't leave a sponge in that lady, I didn't give the wrong meds,,,,,etc. etc. etc.,,,,, yet WE ARE PAYING FOR IT.
I was not proposing to end civil acitons,,,, only to make the awards for damages more realisitic, and to stop the frivalous claims. For example,,,, medical malpractice claim filed because the food served to a patient, gave them gas pains. (Patient admitted for ortho surgury, not GI tract). While the suit was thrown out of court, some attorney took that case, some attorney had to defend it, and the costs were passed right to the insurance carrier, and,,,,blah, blah, blah,,,, US.
We have no problem establishing the worth of Juan, the illeagel, when a load of bricks falls on him at work. Juan is dead, and even though illeagel, covered by worker's comp. Simple formula, how much Juan made, his expected time to keep earning that money, etc. etc.,,,,,BINGO (non-mathmatical term for mathmatical equation),,,, we have a figure. If Juan dies from a surgeon's knife who was trying to give him a hystericatomy,,,,Juan is suddenly worth MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
BULL SHIT. Ain't no way in hell Juan was ever going to make a million dollars, unless he hit the lotto. Yet,,,,, the surgeon does not suffer by his greivance to Juan, he passes the costs,,,,,blah, blah, blah,,,, TO US.
You didn't hurt Juan. I didn't hurt Juan. Why do we have to pay,,,,,and pay an inflated price. You wouldn't give a man $50,000 for a 1974 Vega if you total lossed it,,,,, would you?
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