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lacyvsq
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A post about the cancer treatment.
Another link about cancer treatment by fever.
Another
Did you know that high fever makes cancer disappear? Three medical scientists examined 450 cases of "spontaneous" cancer remission and guess what they discovered? A third of these patients had experienced high fevers! Now there's a safe, high-tech way to raise your body temperature for an hour or so until the cancer cells are destroyed. The remission rate using this method is 80 percent which is of the highest known cancer treatment. source
and one that says German doctors used ozone to treat President Reagan.
The first link is selling a book -- but if I had a friend or family member with cancer, I'd spend the $20.
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| Jul 4 @ 1:48 AM |
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bardnsage
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HIGH BODY TEMP,,,can cause remission.....I did not know that.
But taking that new bit of knowledge,,,,, is there a corralation between the increased rates of cancer over the last 100 years,,,,, and the proliferation of freon based air conditioning.....
Now, before you go and think I'm just hounding,,,, remember,,,, way back,,,,, when we didn't have air,,,,, and your body became acclamated to the heat over the summer. We also played and worked outside, all day,,,, not just in the cool parts or in hour strecthes,,,, all freaking day.
What was the % population by age with cancer, and what has been it's rate of increase, (I'm assumning it has),,,,, and what is the rate of increase of air conditioning.
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| Jul 5 @ 12:07 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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bardnsage.......You can play all you want....I really don't care what you play! Just don't play with my rights! Since you refuse to support your position with links and back-up for your position....don't expect me to help you out with my ability to put you in your proper position! 
If you don't like this country then get the hell out! Until you get your ticket and Passport ready have a good day! 
edited; I also see you do not like "some" people...and they seem to be "brown-skinned"! I bet you also belong to some organized religion and maybe another group that is....well nuf said!
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| Jul 5 @ 2:28 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I am very much in favor of the free administration of the pharmaceutical "cocktail" administered interveinously to terminal volunteers at governmental expense when a lethal injection is the subject matter of the desired Health Care program.
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| Jul 5 @ 2:57 AM |
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Nightowl001
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But taking that new bit of knowledge,,,,, is there a corralation between the increased rates of cancer over the last 100 years,,,,, and the proliferation of freon based air conditioning..... What you think of as "Freon" isn't used in air conditioning anymore. It's a chlorofluorocarbon and it's use is now restricted. Some hydrochlorofluorocarbons are still in use, but their use is highly regulated. (The name "Freon" actually covers a pretty wide range of chemical compounds, many of which were not commercially viable for refrigeration except in very specialized applications.)
Actually, the increase in the percentage of the population that has experienced cancer is almost directly proportional to.... ready.. the single greatest risk factor for cancer.... age. If you live long enough, and avoid dying of something else, you will are highly likely to eventually get SOME kind of cancer.
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| Jul 6 @ 1:09 PM |
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Bj864
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Yes, I really want National Health Care. I am on Medicare and would like to see it expanded to cover all Americans.
However, I do think that the American people need to DEMAND that you be a legal citizen before being covered. I think they should also DEMAND that the drug comanies not be handed a price fixing tool like they have now. If we do not do both those things, it would soon be bankrupt, just as it is going to be in the next few years for the seniors, if left with those two things in place..
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| Jul 6 @ 10:32 PM |
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bardnsage
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OH my,,,, I must have offended that person,,,, sorry dude....
You want a source.... OK,,,,
That's ------------ DR. bardnsage , PhD, Risk Management, Class of 1990, PhD Education, 1989. ------- 20 Years insurance experience, Federal Expert Witness List, NC Expert Witness List, Risk Management and Counsulting Company, Environmental and Safety Consulting Company,
I've burried more claims in corporate soup, slid claims from my client to someone else, cleaned up environmental and legal messes, and figured out how to screw people and other companies more than you could imagine.
I don't take hard stands on any issue, and rarely make any comment more than a joke, however,,,,
on this topic,,,, I AM THE f***ING SOURCE. I am the SOB that helps insurance companies figure out how to not pay claims, how to transfer their risk, how much risk to transfer, and if the cost of defense is worth fighting the claims. I am the SOB that cleans up metyl ethyl bad shit on the gound - cause if it's done through me - it's covered under attorney client privalege and the evidence of the bad deed is burried in piles of paper and legal action. I am the SOB, that negotiates with widows to accept tiny little checks for their dead husbands - because the worker's comp laws say I can. I am the SOB that secures land, factories, and shipping in Asia - and figures out how to take out the risk - so US companies can move their manufacturing operations overseas. I am the SOB that tells hospitals and doctors how to construct written procedures and protocols so that when they f*** up, they don't have to pay.
Could you not guess that I might KNOW what I'm talking about, because I was not just spewing that the doctors are crooks, or the insurance compaines are crooks, etc. etc. etc. I TOLD YOU THE FACTS. They were detailed facts. I also answered questions, detailed questions, that should have alerted you that I had more than just a laymans understanding of the facts,,,,but you were too busy calling me a racist to figure that out.
LET"S SEE,,, left hand rule book,,,,,
I don't understand or agree,,,, so I,,,
a. change the topic,
b. attack the messenger's intelligence,
c. call him a racist
d. call him a homophobe,
e. call him some other name,
f. TYPE IN BIG LETTERS,,,,, BUSH SUCKS,
g. oh yeah,,, call him a racist again,,,,
etc. etc. etc......
You may understand some things well, and even be an expert on others,,,, but don't come into this topic and show your ignorance by calling someone a racist.
Medical care and the cost of said care is paramount to families and people living in this country. They suffer to try and figure out how to fix it,,,, and let themselves be led by some politician who is telling them it's the insurance companies fault, or the governments fault,,,,,,,, and you dumb down the whole process by inferring that I"m a raciest. I think this brings into doubt any "serious" comment you have ever posted, or will ever post.
You pander right to the ultra-conservative neo-cons, when you resort to sterotypical name calling tactics, and undermine all of the people who truely want this country to listen to them, and not to big money. Congratulations,,,,, job well done.
And by the way,,,, BUSH SUCKS. (there, saved you some time, so you can go straight to calling me a racist again.)
Let me help you,,,,
Mexicans Suck
Blacks Suck
Rednecks Suck
Fat People Suck
Asian People Suck,,,,
there, now, did that change one point in the argument that one of the leading costs in health care is the legal system, and the costs paid by medical providers to insurance compaines to cover that cost,,,,which is passed on to US.
Nope.... didn't change a damn thing. And neither will you.
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| Jul 6 @ 10:44 PM |
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daisy315
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right now.. I'd settle for ANY kind of affordable health care..when ya have NONE, you can't be too damn picky..
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| Jul 6 @ 10:51 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Katt I want to answer your questions about waiting lists -
Yes there are waiting lists but only for surgeries that are not deemed as "emergency surgeries". It is the same way with non-emergency surgery in countries with national health care as organ transplant waiting lists are here. It is not an ideal situation and many people are not happy with it, but for the most part they are grateful that their health care is paid for by the government. The biggest problem that I have heard of from people that I've talked to who live in countries with nationalized health care, my boyfriend being one of them, is that the salaries for doctors and nurses are so low that many of them choose to leave the nationalized system and practise privately. I know in Finland they have decided to raise the salaries to encourage more doctors and nurses to stay within the system.
My feeling about a nationalized system is that it is better for a smaller country than a bigger one like ours with as many people as we have...and though we do need changes to the system, knowing what I know about national health care, I'm not sure if it would work here. Besides, the taxes would increase exponentially and Americans do not have the same attitude about high taxes that people from other countries with national health care and other nationalized services tend to have.
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| Jul 6 @ 10:59 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Stop by a VA hospital sometime...spend a little time there...and then imagine that same govt trying to run a nationalized health care system...
Drive around a ghetto some time and see what welfare...another govt program...has accomplished...
Yeah, there are some things that need fixing, but how can anyone really seriously think the government is the solution for anything, let alone something as complex and huge as national health care would be...
I'll fend for myself if you don't mind...
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| Jul 6 @ 11:02 PM |
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lacyvsq
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...they are grateful that their health care is paid for by the government.
There is nothing paid by the government. The government merely robs from the healthy to provide for the unhealthy -- and the dollar robbed does not go for a dollar's worth of medical services. Most of it gets distributed to the robbers and to the 'system' that has to be put in place to redistribute property.
The American people are a nation of infants looking for daddy/mummy government to take care of them rather than taking care of their own health.
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| Aug 1 @ 8:32 PM |
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Bj864
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The American people are a nation of infants looking for daddy/mummy government to take care of them rather than taking care of their own health
I have paid plenty of money into my government. I don't think expecting something back for my dollars is being an "infant".
The government takes care of NO ONE. It is the people that pay into the system that provides their own care. The government just distributes our money after taking the lions share for itself.
The ordinary working person cannot afford to take care of their health care needs. How can they when our own government helped the drug industry with price fixing to rip off the American people.
Where do you want our tax dollars to go? To give more subsidies to the oil industry?
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| Aug 1 @ 8:55 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The ordinary working person cannot afford to take care of their health care needs.
Let them join the military and do one tour with an honorable discharge and qualify for lifetime VA Hospital care then.
The idler shall not eat the worker's bread.
NO national health care except for veterans!
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| Aug 1 @ 9:00 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Let them join the military and do one tour with an honorable discharge and qualify for lifetime VA Hospital care then
...what if one is too old to join up...do you recommend that they rob a bank instead? 
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| Aug 1 @ 11:58 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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...what if one is too old to join up..
Medical IRA's and private insurance fit the bill just fine for those who refused to serve.
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| Aug 2 @ 10:11 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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bardnsage......Glad I got under your skin.....I loved it! 
You remind me of "Adnoid Hinkel"!
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| Aug 6 @ 3:37 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Yes, I really want National Health Care. I am on Medicare and would like to see it expanded to cover all Americans. I am on disability because of my asthma and copd. I used to work in the insurance industry
It appears that you possess sufficient insurance knowledge to have given yourself extraordinary coverages. The government should not pay for every cradle to grave want and need of its citizens, excepting needs based welfare recipients.
No government health care or social security plan should be an entitlement that ignores one's personal wealth and ability to pay for pension and health care purposes.
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| Aug 8 @ 5:18 PM |
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lacyvsq
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American medical care is the most expensive in the world, and it is definitely not worth every penny. A recent study by the Commonwealth Fund highlights the stark contrast between what the United States spends on its health system and the quality of care it delivers. The report shows that the United States spends more than twice as much on each person for health care as most other industrialized countries. But it has fallen to last place among those countries in preventing avoidable deaths through use of timely and effective medical care. The latest American Human Development Index by the Social Science Research Board also reveals shocking results: the U.S. ranks 42nd in global life expectancy, and 34th in survival of infants. Additionally, a 30- year gap now exists in the average life expectancy between Mississippi, in the Deep South, and Connecticut, in prosperous New England. Huge disparities have also opened up in income, health and education depending on where people live in the US, according to the report. These findings are likely to provide supporting evidence for the notion that the nation’s health care system needs to be fixed. *************************
High Time to Identify the Driving Force Behind U.S. Abysmal Health StatisticsPlease understand that the drug companies and food industries are THE primary forces behind most of the terrible health statistics of the U.S. This is not an accident at all, or some terrible oversight. This is by design. The drug industry has been able to manipulate and control the U.S. Congress to pass just about any and every law they need to increase their profits.. Once you understand how they control the government, you realize how they are diverting hundreds of billions of dollars for their hyperinflated drug prices. This goes into their own coffers; for their own good -- NOT for the good of the public. It is this diversion of funding that is the primary reason why American health is so poor. If these funds were spent wisely and not stolen for products that don’t work and that aren’t safe, there is no doubt in my mind the United States would lead the world in health stats. This year the U.S. will spend $2.5 trillion dollars on health care, but by 2017, health care spending is projected to exceed $4 TRILLION. This is largely due to the costs of drugs and surgery and a reliance on a medical system that treats only symptoms and never the cause of disease. Now, I would not mind one bit if spending two and half trillion dollars provided major benefits, but as this study shows, by nearly every available index, this large multitrillion dollar investment is a miserable failure. Maybe Americans just need to learn to appreciate thrift, and realize that some of the best ways to improve your health are very inexpensive. Some are even free. more |
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| Aug 8 @ 5:28 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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a 30- year gap now exists in the average life expectancy between Mississippi, in the Deep South, and Connecticut, in prosperous New England.
This is a state problem, not a federal problem. After all, anyone in Mississippi can simply catch a bus to Connecticut and thus apparently award themselves an additional 30 year life expectancy, which would also increase the number of congressmen that CT is entitled to when enough people from MS desert to CT and the 10 year census distributes the MS congressional delegation to other states that increase in population when MS decreases by exporting its people to other states.
Accordingly, this problem is a Mississippi problem.
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| Aug 9 @ 4:19 AM |
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lacyvsq
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This however is a national problem.
This year the U.S. will spend $2.5 trillion dollars on health care, but by 2017, health care spending is projected to exceed $4 TRILLION. This is largely due to the costs of drugs and surgery and a reliance on a medical system that treats only symptoms and never the cause of disease.
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