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Gallows_Humor
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No government health care or social security plan should be an entitlement that ignores one's personal wealth and ability to pay for pension and health care purposes.
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thinking that Para is finally getting it...
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| Aug 9 @ 12:22 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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thinking that Para is finally getting it...
You mean someone actually accepted his flirtations?
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| Aug 9 @ 12:52 PM |
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lacyvsq
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The government should not pay for every cradle to grave want and need of its citizens, excepting needs based welfare recipients.
The government does not pay for a blessed thing! It is the governed that pay. And along the way, bureaucrats and administrators and lobbyists and bankers all get their sizable cuts.
Meanwhile, as a nation, our health is going down the toilet along with our economy. BTW, our toilets could be responsible or contributory to a number of our medical problems.
No! No national medicine! In fact, let's get the national government totally out of the business of supporting the drug, chemical and medical industries.
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| Aug 9 @ 1:07 PM |
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vinnytmd
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BTW, our toilets could be responsible or contributory to a number of our medical problems.
 Don't blame the toilets!
Probably every physician practicing emergency medicine has encountered tragic cases of sudden death in the lavatory. Patients with acute coronary events are especially vulnerable to excessive straining which accompanies defecation. Therefore, it is a routine practice in coronary care units to administer laxatives or stool softeners, hopefully to reduce straining ..
Only if you have constipation problems. Stop eating all of that red meat. If you were a vegetarian like me you wouldn't have to worry about having a heart attack in the Lavatory!
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| Aug 9 @ 1:36 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Let me hit you below the belt...
Mr. Wallace Bowles is an Australian researcher who learned about the benefits of squatting in 1984, at the age of 52. A former Royal Australian Air Force fighter pilot and later a senior commercial pilot, Mr. Bowles in 1984 was working for the Australian Aviation Authority as an investigator of aircraft accidents. Although he had no formal medical training, his intense curiosity led him to immerse himself in the study of human anatomy, in order to understand why squatting for bodily functions was so much more effective. He also suspected that the habitual use of sitting toilets might be responsible for some common ailments found only in westernized countries. As a man in his fifties, Mr. Bowles was naturally curious about a possible connection to prostate problems. He was intrigued by evidence such as the following: from USA Today, January 5, 2000: African Americans have the highest prostate cancer risk in the world .... And despite high rates among African Americans, prostate cancer is very low in Africa. from Cancer.gov
....incidence rates for clinical prostate cancer in western men are 30 to 50 times higher than those for Asian men. from emedicine.com: A 200-fold difference in incidence exists between African American men, who represent the group with the highest incidence of the disease, and Chinese men living in Asia, in whom the incidence of prostate cancer is among the lowest in the world. Migration studies reveal that movement of people from areas of low risk to areas of high risk is associated with an increase in the incidence of prostate cancer among the migrants. In one study, within one generation, the increase in incidence in Japanese immigrants was 4- to 9-fold compared to the incidence of prostate cancer in Japan. In his review of the medical literature, Mr. Bowles encountered the usual explanation for the low incidence of prostate cancer in the developing world: a diet low in fat and high in fiber. He was skeptical of this theory, and a recent major study has confirmed his doubts: (American Society of Clinical Oncology - August 30, 2002) – A low-fat, high-fiber diet heavy in fruits and vegetables has no impact on PSA levels in men over a four-year period, and does not affect the incidence of prostate cancer, according to a study by researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, the National Cancer Institute, and seven other centers. http://www.prostatecancer.on.ca/WNew/nov2002_03.html Mr. Bowles took an entirely different approach to the problem. He suspected that the prostate's strange behavior was caused by a breakdown in the body's system of communication and control. The prostate and bladder are controlled by the pudendal nerve, which emerges from the sacrum, near the base of the spine, and runs along the perineum. Damage to this nerve can weaken the brain signals to and from the prostate and render the gland dysfunctional. |
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| Aug 9 @ 1:44 PM |
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vinnytmd
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lacy, what are you going on about now?
Your toilet accusation was regarding "heart attacks" when one is forcing to have a bowel movement.
I simply suggested that rather than take the advice of this Dr and take metamucil you should stop eating all of that red meat.
Now you have spun some theory about prostate cancer?
What does prostate cancer have to do with heart attacks whilst $hitting?
Time to let you go on by yourself. I get dizzy at the heights of your posts!
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| Aug 9 @ 1:49 PM |
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lacyvsq
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You should take something for that ADD. The heart attacks were only a part of the article about the health problems caused by 'thrones'.
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| Aug 9 @ 1:54 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Your link goes to this page lacy- click it and see for yourself. Do you expect me to read the entire web site?
Knowing your hatred for Israel I am also surprised that you pay any attention to it. Of course Palestinians have a cure for constipation. They shove a bomb up their ass.
Bathroom Heart Attacks
Dr. Berko Sikirov is an Israeli physician who has spent over 20 years studying the effects of excessive straining caused by the use of sitting toilets. His research on hemorrhoids and diverticulosis is discussed elsewhere on this webpage.
In 1990 he published an article entitled "Cardio-vascular events at defecation: are they unavoidable?" He begins by describing the problem:
Probably every physician practicing emergency medicine has encountered tragic cases of sudden death in the lavatory. Patients with acute coronary events are especially vulnerable to excessive straining which accompanies defecation. Therefore, it is a routine practice in coronary care units to administer laxatives or stool softeners, hopefully to reduce straining ...10
The article goes on to explain how straining on the toilet can be avoided by adopting the natural squatting position. In the following summary, Dr. Sikirov uses the term "Valsalva Maneuver," which means pushing down with the diaphragm while holding one's breath.
According to the American Heritage Dictionary, this maneuver "increases pressure within the thoracic cavity and thereby impedes venous return of blood to the heart." Another term used below is "syncope" which means "fainting."
Cardio-vascular events at defecation are to a considerable degree the consequence of an unnatural (for a human being) seated defecation posture on a common toilet bowl or bed pan. Excessive straining, expressed in intensively repeated Valsalva Maneuvers, is needed for emptying the bowels in the sitting position. The Valsalva Maneuver adversely affecting the cardio-vascular system is the causative factor of defecation syncope and death.
The cardio-vascular system of a healthy man withstands the intensive and repeated straining at defecation, while the compromised cardio-vascular system may fail, resulting in syncope or even death. The squatting defecation posture is associated with reduced amounts of straining and may prevent many of these tragic cases.10
Besides straining the heart, the Valsalva Maneuver also leads to pelvic organ prolapse, discussed in the Gynecological Disorders, Pregnancy, and Prostate Disorders sections.
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| Aug 9 @ 2:37 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Knowing your hatred for Israel I am also surprised that you pay any attention to it. Of course Palestinians have a cure for constipation. They shove a bomb up their ass.
Totally  Just because I think the Jews could have found a better place to live than Palestine does not mean I have a hatred for Israel or for the people who make up the nation any more than my criticism of US government means that I hate America or her people. I love America and Americans and I also love and respect Jews as people though I think their leadership is nearly as disgusting as our own. I count among my friends not only Yemeni, Palestinians, Mexicans, Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, Irish, Italians, Dutch, and even Jews... So stick to the issues instead of trying to label me!
...and I found the article about the toilets interesting and humorous. I guess your 'medical job' might be jeopardized if people actually reduced heart attacks, incontinence, hemorrhoids, prostate cancer, sexual dysfunction, impotence and more by squatting to shit instead of sitting.
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| Aug 9 @ 2:45 PM |
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vinnytmd
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lacy, who has ADD here.
I never said he was a Jew and never accused you of hating Jews. I pointed out that Dr. Berko Sikirov was Israeli and then referenced your admitted hatred of Israel. I am certain that with your worldly knowledge you know that 20% of Israel is Muslim.
and even Jews..
Even Joos? How kind of you.
I read that if you squat when typing you can access your brain more directly thus avoiding embarrassment. 
[Edited on 8/9/2008 2:53 PM]
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| Aug 9 @ 3:00 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I read that if you squat when typing you can access your brain more directly thus avoiding embarrassment.
Obviously you are not doing enough squatting...you should cut all that rolling on the floor you do and assume a more useful position.
I was addressing your accusation of my hatred for Israel and differentiating my disgust of the government from the people who make up the nation. I never said Dr. Berko Sikirov was a Jew either...nor have I ever admitted hatred of Israel.
So stick to the issues instead of trying to label me!
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| Aug 9 @ 3:09 PM |
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vinnytmd
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And what it is about the Israeli government that you so detest that you want the country destroyed?
That she defends herself from terrorists?
Maybe a toilet is the cause of the terrorist attacks in Israel?
Why not?
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| Aug 9 @ 3:14 PM |
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lacyvsq
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...you want the country destroyed?
Do some squats vinny, I have never typed anything on this forum that calls for the destruction of Israel -- though I do think an exodus would be freeing to most of the people in the state.
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| Aug 9 @ 3:18 PM |
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vinnytmd
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BS. You advocate her relocation and suggest that the land be given to the so called Palestinians.
How did that work in gaza and the west bank?
Exodus? People immigrate to Israel from all over the world.
One day there will be a perfect world for you lacy - no Israel and no toilets!
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| Aug 9 @ 3:25 PM |
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lacyvsq
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There you are all over the floor again when you should be squatting. I'm all for an Israel -- in a safer part of the world, where they do not consider all their neighbors as enemies. And I'm all for toilets -- though I am thinking that a redesign might be in order so that the toilets actually work better with our anatomy -- and are conducive to good health as opposed to harmful.
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| Aug 9 @ 3:27 PM |
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vinnytmd
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lacy. just like on these forums, there are anti Semites all over the world. Israel is fine where they are. And with my diet my toilet works just fine.
And all is well.
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| Aug 9 @ 3:43 PM |
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lacyvsq
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lacy. just like on these forums, there are anti Semites all over the world.
You really should stick to the issues instead of trying to label me or play the poor pathetic victim. You may be pathetic, but it has nothing to do with your lineage.
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| Aug 9 @ 3:48 PM |
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vinnytmd
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| Aug 9 @ 4:18 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Here... I'll shed a few for you too
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