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lacyvsq
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The time t required for an object to fall from a height h (in a vacuum) is given by the formula t = sqrt(2h/g), where g is the acceleration due to gravity. Thus an object falling from the top of one of the towers (taking h = 1306 feet and g = 32.174 ft/sec2) would take 9.01 seconds to hit the ground if we ignore the resistance of the air and a few seconds longer if we take air resistance into account. The Twin Towers each collapsed in less than fifteen seconds, close to free fall (see this video clip, originally from http://thewebfairy.com/911/). Following the start of the collapse the upper floors would have had to shatter the steel joints in all 85 or so floors at the lower levels. If this required only one second per floor then the collapse would have required more than a minute. But the material from the upper floors ploughed through the lower floors at a speed of at least six floors per second. This is possible only if all structural support in the lower 85 or so floors had been completely eliminated prior to the initiation of the collapse. Since the lower floors were undamaged by the plane impacts and the fires, the removal of all structural support in these floors must have been due to some other cause — and the most obvious possibility is explosives. Thus the speed of the collapse (not much more than the time of free fall) is conclusive evidence that the Twin Towers were brought down in a controlled demolition involving the use of explosives (or some other destructive technology) at all levels. http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm |
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| Jul 28 @ 7:36 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I see in another thread that at least one expert has backed up and admitted the fuel probably only burned for about 10 minutes. It was all the other stuff in the offices that burned that softened the steel. Which makes the WTC towers the first Steel and Concrete buildings to be collapsed by fire of contents. Ever.
Yeah! and all those contents ignited so rapidly! And not a shred of them was left! No chunks of concrete from those pancaked floors either! Everything pulverized! Except of course one two of the hijackers' passports... 
[Edited on 7/28/2008 7:40 PM]
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| Jul 28 @ 7:37 PM |
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rovingnet
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Listen up folks... The World Trade Towers is like the Battles in war... more important are the objectives of those behind the war... It is imperative to understand that the motives of the radical Zionists to involve America militarily in the Middle East is being manipulated by powers who have a much broader agenda. The sooner we quit worrying over what has been done and start looking for the reasons WHY and what is behind the obvious the sooner we can identify the real enemy and their cohorts and stooges.
All the clamor about the Towers being and inside job and yet no one points to the most obvious benefactors of the attack because there is no way the media or press is going to point to the radical Zionists... and all the Hollywood types who screech about it have yet to point out that the radical Zionists and their agents inside our government... and their supporters in our government... and that the Mossad is the most capable agent to have carried it off... But NO way is anyone going to say so publically... it would be political suicide... or literal... got Kennedy killed... Got Larry McDonald and all the passengers on that plane killed... THINK!
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| Jul 28 @ 7:39 PM |
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vinnytmd
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fookin Joos! 
Listening! 
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| Jul 28 @ 7:52 PM |
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rovingnet
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When I was a kid we were experimenting with jet fuel for dragsters...this was back when... anyway, we would fill a tank or barrel go a long ways away and ignite it.. whoosh! and the tank or barrel would just be blistered... So imagine how quick that fuel disipated and the unlikelyhood that it was responsible for the collapse of those towers...
Now think! Building # 7 did not collapse until hours later... controlled demo... so that all said and obvious to anyone with half a brain... Putting the blame on this administration is not relevant, because THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME GAME FOLKS... impeach one and you still have their clone to deal with... Until you purge them all you haven't made a dent and you are just playing into the hands of the real villians behind the scenes... the International Bankers and their stooges... They used the radical Zionist Mossad to pull this off... with their agents in our CIA and other ranks in government and those who support the zionist movement... But the Bildeberg could care less about the Zionists, they set it up years ago to manipulate to their agenda. And that is the story behind the twin towers..
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| Jul 28 @ 7:54 PM |
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vinnytmd
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roving - what say we make bagels and lox illegal here. Will that get those Zionist bastids to leave the USofA and go home?
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| Jul 28 @ 8:24 PM |
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rovingnet
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joke if you must, but it is not Jews that are the problem. It is the few radicals just like in every sort of ethnic or religious group. As it happens the origins of the Bildeberg have used those radicals to their own design... Should you be interested look up the origins of the ADL of B'nai B'rith, the B'nai B'rith from "Sons of the Covenant", also The Knights of the Golden Circle, evolution from the 222 that formed the "Kehillah" in 1908 in NYC the unofficial government for all the Jewish Community to which all the Jewish community were obligated to obey and evolved into the ADL which to this day is the most powerful lobby in Washington, but is not required to be registered as a lobby, which is the usual legal requirement.
In fact as the ADL evolved one of the Bronfman sons became the head, and if you don't know who the Bronfmans are then you haven't got enough info to imput... go do some research... It's a lot easier now than when I had to order manuscripts from the Congressional Records and archives of newspapers and dig through used bookstore basements...
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| Jul 28 @ 8:25 PM |
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vinnytmd
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joke?
No need to go to the Congressional record - just google "fookin joos"
You will get all the info you need!
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| Jul 28 @ 8:36 PM |
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lacyvsq
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No, no Vinny, if you do that google, you only get one silly myspace page as a result.
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| Jul 28 @ 8:39 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Lacy, are you SURE?
Only one FOOKIN JOOS
hey Roving, do you think that Kinky Freedman is in on this? 
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| Jul 29 @ 2:02 AM |
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Novalite
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Now think! Building # 7 did not collapse until hours later... controlled demo.
Why wait so long and risk the explosives being discovered? Why not same time?
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| Jul 29 @ 2:23 AM |
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lacyvsq
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 Hi Nova! Where have you been?
They had to pull the plug fast on WTC 1 and 2 because the fires were dying and the sham of those airplanes might have been discovered. There was no need to hurry on WTC 7 because there was no airplane.
Now why would they be worried about someone discovering explosives? With all the chaos from WTC 1 and 2, no one was going to go through any other building looking for treachery. Everyone was concerned with rescue efforts and survival.
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| Jul 29 @ 2:35 AM |
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Novalite
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Hi Lacy, been busy. real busy.
Anyhow, first part makes sense however, second does not;
Now why would they be worried about someone discovering explosives? With all the chaos from WTC 1 and 2, no one was going to go through any other building looking for treachery. Everyone was concerned with rescue efforts and survival.
now for somebody that has orchestrated a fairly complicated plan that involved a lot of security being compromised in airlines, national guard, building security, planting witnesses and keeping all silent, to have the plan rely on pure luck that nobody would stumble on a det cord or an explosive device that would risk all is ludicrous. In order to get around that, it would simply make far more sense to destroy the building immediately and blame it on a shock wave or seismic effect.
So, are your conspirators amateurs or pros? Or some of them are pros and others, like the ones calling the shots amateurs?
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| Jul 29 @ 3:21 AM |
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Nightowl001
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now for somebody that has orchestrated a fairly complicated plan that involved a lot of security being compromised in airlines, national guard, building security, planting witnesses and keeping all silent, to have the plan rely on pure luck that nobody would stumble on a det cord or an explosive device that would risk all is ludicrous. In order to get around that, it would simply make far more sense to destroy the building immediately and blame it on a shock wave or seismic effect.
So, are your conspirators amateurs or pros? Or some of them are pros and others, like the ones calling the shots amateurs? Maybe if there had been a real investigation into finding the people who actually did it, they could have told us how they disguised or hid any of this stuff. I, for one, wouldn't know the difference between my router cable and det cord (and I've actually seen det cord). Do you think most people would? How many offices can you walk into with poorly hidden bundles of cables running along a wall and behind a file cabinet? You glance at it and just think, "Wow, lot of computer stuff here. The guy who could actually design an inobtrusive way to hide all that crap and keep it organized could make a million bucks!" and keep going. What do "explosives" look like? They all come in bright colored packages marked "C-4" in those crappy yellow army stencils or "TNT" in black letters? That copier that hasn't worked in who knows how long sitting against the column at the corner with the plug laying on top and the hand-lettered out-of-order sign, the one with those cables running behind it, nahhhhh.. s'nothing more than a nonfunctioning copier the vendor hasn't picked up yet. Someone installed a bunch of new "telephone cord" conduit last week? Must be for a big bunch of phone cords. (But they're perfect for hiding a shaped cutting charge and nobody thinks twice about them splitting at the bottom and running around the column in both directions to run off along the wall.) Who would have "stumbled" on anything running above the acoustic ceiling panels? Who would have blinked at a guy in coveralls walking in carrying a ladder saying "I need to find a bad spot in a cable that runs to the floor up above. They're above your ceiling here. I'll be out of your way in just a bit." There are probably more ways to hide stuff like that in plain site that I can begin to dream up (and I can dream up a lot).
No one would have been LOOKING for the stuff. No one had any reason to. Like Lucy said, buildings 1 and 2 were on fire, with these horrendous plane crashes into them. Who is running around looking for stuff IN your building? You're looking to see if stuff is falling ON your building or getting ready to fly into it. However it was concealed during the time it took to set it up was good enough for the last few hours. In fact, they had to give it some time because there was no good explanation for yet a third concrete and steel structure coming down soley from the contents being burned when that had never happened before. WIthout the "jet fuel" to fuel the fires there, they had to give it a reasonable time to get "hot enough to soften the steel" of that building.
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| Jul 29 @ 7:01 AM |
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vinnytmd
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NO, where are your scientific sources? Are you a structural engineer?
Do all of you troofers SG included get a free pass on posting without sources.
Your non sense will be ignored. Remove the tinfoil hat, empty the bong, turn off the INNA GADDA DAVIDA Album and take a deep breath.
You guys have lost it. Oliver Stone couldn't spin reality more than you troofers!
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| Jul 29 @ 11:09 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Talk about spin....So Vinny...Did you do your science homework?
But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knows no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the towers at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures, originally designed to withstand many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a large passenger jet straying off course.
Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why. "Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir" "No miss, the kerosene heater blew up and vaporised everything in the street, except for my passport." "You see sir, the school bus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms." Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.
The ferocious heat generated by the ghastly kerosene was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by such heat.
This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city. That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vaporise a 70 ton aircraft.
You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane.
The plane was vaporised by the fuel tank explosion, maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.
So there you have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.
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| Jul 29 @ 12:44 PM |
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Nightowl001
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NO, where are your scientific sources? Are you a structural engineer?
Do all of you troofers SG included get a free pass on posting without sources. ????? You posted that behind some hypothetical scenarios about concealing explosives in buildings. I need scientific sources to say, "Hell, I wouldn't have noticed that. Would you?"
Am I a structural engineer? No. Are you? How do you know they're not lying to you? You don't know enough to question what they're telling you. But I have listened to other structural engineers who looked at the NIST report and said "Bullshit!" Hell, A FEMA report on the collapses says, says "We cannot explain fully the complete collapse," and specifically in reference to WTC 7 says "“The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. [ ] Further research, investigation and analyses are need to resolve this issue.” Fema also admitted (based on work by a Worcester Polytechnic Institute investigative team) “Sample 1 (From WTC 7) … evidence of severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. Sample 2 (From WTC 1 or WTC 2).. The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation… The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has ben identified. .. A detailed study into the mechanisms of this phenomenon is needed."
Basically, they're saying, "Well, we don't really know how it happened. And we know this is hard to swallow because it's so unlikely and doesn't account for a lot of stuff, but here's what we're going to say... " And as long as you can run around chanting "Marxists Baaaad.... Greedy capitalist bastards GOOOOOOD" you're fine with whatever runny sh*t they pour on your Wheaties and tell you is "chocolate sauce, but it's a blend that is an 'acquired' taste. You have to have an educated palate to appreciate it." And you're so anxious to prove that you're suave and sophisticated, you just lap it up. And then you look at the people who sniff it and say "This is sh*t!?!" and just tell them, "No, you just think so becuase you're inferior." Proof positive that the lesson of "The Emperor's New Clothes" was lost.
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| Jul 29 @ 1:52 PM |
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vinnytmd
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" We cannot explain fully the complete collapse,"
Certainly. So how do you make the leap from that to freakin janitors that quietly set up A COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THREE OFFICE TOWERS?
NO, scientists do not understand what causes a volcano to erupt. DO you think that Bush, Cheney and Halliburton cause volcanos?
Bong down.
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| Jul 29 @ 2:15 PM |
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lacyvsq
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I don't think anyone has concluded that freakin janitors quietly set up A COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THREE OFFICE TOWERS. But the conclusion that demolition experts could quietly set up A COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THREE OFFICE TOWERS makes far more sense in explaining the complete collapse at near freefall speed and the total pulverization of the concrete and vaporization of the planes and office furniture and people (with the miraculous salvage of two hijackers' passports) than the pale FEMA and NIST reports.
At any rate the questions and problems raised with the 'official' conspiracy theory should merit a second investigation with examination of any remaining debris for signs of demolition explosives and validation or invalidation of the samples tested by the Architects for 911 Truth.
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| Jul 29 @ 2:23 PM |
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vinnytmd
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But the conclusion that demolition experts could quietly set up A COMPLETE IMPLOSION OF THREE OFFICE TOWERS makes far more sense
To whom? Lacy, that is insane. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to construct an implosion for an office tower? It takes engineers months to do the calculations and experts months to set up the explosives. Furthermore they need to have access to the actual structure.
CDI is the largest implosion company in the world and are headquartered near Baltimore. They are responsible for the implosion of most large structures in the world. About a year after 9-11 they had the President on to discuss your theory. He quickly explained how ignorant it was to think that this was at all possible. He went into detail why.
The Discovery channel did shows about several of their biggest projects. You should try to look that up. You and the gang of troofers here make it sound like someone just slips a bomb in the right place and the walls come tumbling down.
Sorry. It just is not so.
BTW Lacy, I watched the planes vaporize in real time as did the rest of the world. Do you think that all of the videos of the planes crashing were fake too?
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