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cowboymoses
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I come to these boards and can see that many here hate Jews and Israel. I read things here from this UAB like - "How many Jews can you fit in an ash tray" and other stuff from bamagary and lefthand duckie and shake my head in disbelief.
Looks like our Israeli friends masterminded this daring rescue of the Columbian hostage - Israel is a tiny Country that helps Countries worldwide fight terrorists - Thanks Israel!
See this link I found - http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3563850,00.html
I read this too -
Perhaps she did not know it, but Israel indeed contributed to the elaborately-planned, daring rescue mission.
…Since word of the dramatic rescue spread, speculation in the world media has attributed the success to people trained by Israeli intelligence. But an Israeli figure familiar with the military aid to Colombia said there was “no need to exaggerate” Israel’s involvement in the operation.
The Israelis involved in the operation feel it is important to accord the credit to Colombia. The Israeli activity, involving dozens of Israeli security experts, was coordinated by Global CST, owned by former General Staff operations chief, Brigadier General (res.) Israel Ziv, and Brigadier (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser.
“It’s a Colombian Entebbe operation,” Ziv said Thursday when he returned from Bogota. “Both regarding its national and international importance. Betancourt has become a symbol of the struggle against international terror. This is an amazing operation that wouldn’t shame any army or special forces anywhere in the world.”
Asked about the Israeli involvement in it Ziv said there is “no need to exaggerate.”
“We don’t want to take credit for something we didn’t do,” a company source said. “We helped them prepare themselves to fight terror. We helped them to plan operations and strategies and develop intelligence sources. That’s quite a bit, but shouldn’t be taken too far.”
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| Jul 5 @ 12:47 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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All Precision Thinkers should support Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli Likud Party with true warmth and zeal, with regard to Israeli electoral politics.
Land for peace has never worked and must now be abandoned forever. Israel has given away land too many times and still never has any peace; the Muslims make promises and then are demonstrated liars. Repeatedly.
Your Pinnacle Precision Thinker
The Utopia-American viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Jul 5 @ 1:31 PM |
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uab_5
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Cowboy...read my profile and you'll see why I'm decidely anti-Isreali.
And read my whole posts in their entire context.
For the record, my boss is a liberal Jew. 
Para...do you spit or swallow?
How nice that the Isrealis helped los colombos against the FARC. Fifteen years sooner would've been better. 
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| Jul 5 @ 2:45 PM |
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eastham
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There are two stories making the rounds -- that the Mossad and an illusive operative named Israel Ziv masterminded the plot and that a large ransom was paid for the release of the American prisoners. The Columbian government has denied both allegations. The French newspapers have also speculated on the ransom as Ingrid Betancourt appeared far healthier today than she did a year ago when the last set of pictures was released. In those she looked very gaunt and ill.
The rumor mill about the Israelis may also be getting some traction, because Betancourt herself said it was all very exciting just like the raid on Entebbe. Some have picked this up to say that the Israelis were involved, but so far Columbia says not.
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| Jul 5 @ 2:52 PM |
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cowboymoses
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UAB - with all respect there partner - WHen I read comments like yours and threads llike bamagary that wishes more Israeli's are murdered at the Olympics - I have to assume you all are skinheads.
I am a Christian Sir. There are plenty of skinheads like you out in the country where I live. I know em when I see em. I ain't interested in excuses for your remarks. I could care less who you work for. Plenty of Nazi's worked for Jews before the Holocaust.
This Cowboy is a Marine and Marines know who our friends are in the world.
Many Countries throughout the world - including Muslim countries get intelligence help and other aid from this tiny Country Israel.
I am sure Israel would have helped 15 years ago if asked. Her soldiers have more courage than most countries in the world.
Good Day
Miss Eastham - If you read what I posted you would see that Ziv and the other have a private security firm. The Columbians musta hired them. There are many private Israeli security firms employed throughout the USA and world. I am sure you can understand why.
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| Jul 5 @ 2:58 PM |
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Angel54214
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Israel now turns to their quick right...for rocks are being thrown with the Palestinians. 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080705/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_barrier_dc_2
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| Jul 5 @ 3:12 PM |
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eastham
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Cowboy,
Your original post, indeed the title of this thread, aludes to the Israelis and the Mossad, not some shadowy private contractor, as the mastermind behind the hostage rescue.
Even the Israeli news sources are playing down the story using words like "may have participated."
The fact is that FARC has suffered several humiliating blows over the past few years, including the assassination of several top leaders and others defecting to the other side.
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| Jul 5 @ 3:27 PM |
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cowboymoses
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Miss Eastham - Slow down now woman. Try to read slowly and then make your assumptions. I did not mention Mossad and knowing how that unit operates no one in their right mind would think that Moussad would be doing duty in Columbia like that. It is not their mission Maam. It has also been disclosed that the USA had an intel surveillence plane in flight during the mission. Salute soldiers!
Here it is again for you to see - Now try and read real slow.
The Israelis involved in the operation feel it is important to accord the credit to Colombia. The Israeli activity, involving dozens of Israeli security experts, was coordinated by Global CST, owned by former General Staff operations chief, Brigadier General (res.) Israel Ziv, and Brigadier (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser.
See there Maam - Global CST - Prvate company that they own. During my active duty we worked closely with many Israeli Security Firms. I have to tell you that they give more to the USA than we give to them. Some very sharp Men. And Maam if you know how to copy and paste the link I posted you will see that Miss Betancourt directly thanked the Israelis. I will assume that she was briefed and then debriefed before her statement.
If you don't want to do the reading wait for the movie! LOL!
You all have a good day now!
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| Jul 5 @ 3:42 PM |
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uab_5
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Uh...bud...I am as anti-skinhead as possible. Come to think of it, they hate me as much as I hate them.
If you read my profile, which it's obvious you did not, you'll notice that I'm one half Iranian.
My entire life I've been taught the pro-Arab, pro-Palestian on the Arab-Isreali dispute.
Hence the reason I do not believe Isreal has the right to exist.
Furthermore:
UAB_5 said:
black September 1972
uab_5
Posts: 1,961 Beggin' y'alls pardon....
I'm the most outspoken foe Isreal has on this board.
With that being said:
This is the most vile thread I've ever read in my entire time on MD!
The Olympics are suppose to united the world and bring harmony for at least the duration of the Games.
What the Arabs did was so wrong during the Games, that even Allah wants to vomit them into Hell!
Notice that I said thread and vile in the same sentence. What those assholes did to those athletes thirty-six years ago was completely uncalled for.
I'm truly sorry that Pennsylvania didn't teach you to read.
Just because one is anti-Isreali, doesn't make them a skinhead.
Get over yourself before you type, please.
God bless.
BTW the "my boss is a liberal Jew" comment was a direct inference that I'm a very solid Christian. Again, if you had read my profile, you would found that out.
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| Jul 5 @ 3:43 PM |
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eastham
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The cowboy schtick was a little old the first time you used it.
Here is a link from the same Israeli news site you used in your OP in which the Columbians denied the participation of Israeli Ziv and others in the release of Ingrid Betancourt and the other hostages.
CLICK HERE.
From your last post:
[QUOTE]The Israelis involved in the operation feel it is important to accord the credit to Colombia. The Israeli activity, involving dozens of Israeli security experts, was coordinated by Global CST, owned by former General Staff operations chief, Brigadier General (res.) Israel Ziv, and Brigadier (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser.
Plaguerism is a no-no. You lifted this entire paragraph from a news story on Haaretz as your own. Here is a link to the entire story on Haaretz for anyone who wishes to do some additional reading.
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| Jul 5 @ 3:56 PM |
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cowboymoses
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NOW NOW Miss Eashtham - I clearly wrote that - "I read this too."
So now you can see that I was right and you were wrong. It was a private security comapny and no where was Moussad mentioned. Course they denied it. Duhhhhhhh? You have any sense at all there?
I also told you before - you need to slow down and breathe there before you read and type!
UAB - Your upbringing ain't no reason to be a skinhead. I was raised in an area where Blacks did not exist. We were told all kinds on non sense about them. When I enlisted I learned better. Poor excuse.
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| Jul 5 @ 3:58 PM |
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Angel54214
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Plaguerism is a no-no. You lifted this entire paragraph from a news story on Haaretz as your own.
Actually the paragraph is from about 6 other news sites, which news thus gets repeated by other news broadcasters. Using plaguerism from one news site that they also use plaguerism from other news sites isn't really plaguerism.
Cowboy said a few short paragraphs before:
I read this too -
Cowboy hasn't learned how to use the MD "quotes" feature as yet by observation in his OP.
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| Jul 5 @ 4:02 PM |
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eastham
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Cowboy,
Nothing changes the fact that you stole a paragraph written by a staff writer for Haaretz and pretended the words were your own. That type of behavior undercuts your argument.
Furthermore, aside from Haaretz and the ynetnews, I cannot find any credible news source that backs up your claim that the Israelis masterminded the rescue of Ingrid Betancourt and the others.
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| Jul 5 @ 4:28 PM |
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cowboymoses
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Now there Miss Eastham - take a minute and let the dust clear and stop acting like a runaway Horse.
I did not steal nothing. I wrote that "I read this too." I do not rightly care if you found other articles on this. I mean - Who are you exactly? Are you one of them MODS?
Why do you have such a hard time believing this? As a Marine I know that this is how things happen in countries like Columbia. After all the three USA Citizens that were freed were not Military. Their plane crached while they were trying to clear drug crops. They too were private contractors.
I have to say you are very naive there Maam.
Now rather than get your drawers all pulled up just say it - You was wrong and I was right!
That wasnt too bad now?
Enjoy the rest of the day. We got Cows to milk here.
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| Jul 5 @ 4:42 PM |
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Angel54214
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Happy 4th of July east!
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Israeli Role in Colombian Rescue
CBNNews.com
July 4, 2008
CBNNews.com - JERUSALEM, Israel - Former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt walks freely today, thanks in part to Israel.
Betancourt was released Wednesday along with 14 other hostages, after six years of captivity in the Colombian jungle.
"I am unaware of a precedent to such a perfect mission," Betancourt said after her rescue.
"Maybe only the Israelis...their wonderful commandos may be reminiscent of the mission that took place here," she said.
Israel's involvement in the operation began a year and a half ago when Colombia asked Israel for help against FARC, the Marxist rebels who kidnapped Betancourt in 2002.
Israel responded by dispatching a group of military advisors to assist the army in matters of intelligence, special operations and integration of security forces for the operation, though they did not participate in the actual rescue.
Global CST, an Israeli security firm owned by Major General (res.) Israel Ziv and Brigadier General (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser, both reservists in the IDF (Israel Defense Forces), coordinated Israel's participation.
"It's a Colombian Entebbe operation," Ziv said Thursday, in reference to Israel's dramatic 1976 hostage rescue that freed 102 Israelis and Jews held captive in Entebbe, Uganda.
But despite their role, both Ziv and Kuperwasser give all the credit to Colombia.
"We don't want to take credit for something we didn't do," a company official said.
"We helped them prepare themselves to fight terror. We helped them to plan operations and strategies and develop intelligence sources. That's quite a bit, but shouldn't be taken too far."
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/403897.aspx
East...I believe you own Cowboy a "big" apology 
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| Jul 5 @ 5:05 PM |
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SunBabe
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Here's the original version of the truncated piece that CBNnews posted:
It's from the Israeli Haartz newspaper's online website http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/998838.html
Last update - 08:48 04/07/2008
Colombia hostage rescue: the Israeli angle
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent and Agencies
Tags: Bentacourt, FARC, Colombia
Former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, who was released after six years in captivity on Wednesday, compared her "impeccable" rescue operation to Israeli commando operations.
Perhaps she did not know it, but Israel indeed contributed to the elaborately-planned, daring rescue mission.
Betancourt, who was kidnapped in 2002 by Marxist rebels in Colombia (FARC), was rescued without a shot being fired. Colombian military agents, who had penetrated FARC's leadership, instructed her guards to transfer her to another rebel group.
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Her captors put her on a helicopter that arrived as scheduled, little knowing that their comrades-in-arms were undercover Colombian soldiers. Betancourt and 14 other hostages who had been held in the jungle, including three Americans, were freed.
Since word of the dramatic rescue spread, speculation in the world media has attributed the success to people trained by Israeli intelligence. But an Israeli figure familiar with the military aid to Colombia said there was "no need to exaggerate" Israel's involvement in the operation.
The Israelis involved in the operation feel it is important to accord the credit to Colombia. The Israeli activity, involving dozens of Israeli security experts, was coordinated by Global CST, owned by former General Staff operations chief, Brigadier General (res.) Israel Ziv, and Brigadier (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser.
"It's a Colombian Entebbe operation," Ziv said Thursday when he returned from Bogota. "Both regarding its national and international importance. Betancourt has become a symbol of the struggle against international terror. This is an amazing operation that wouldn't shame any army or special forces anywhere in the world."
Asked about the Israeli involvement in it Ziv said there is "no need to exaggerate."
"We don't want to take credit for something we didn't do," a company source said. "We helped them prepare themselves to fight terror. We helped them to plan operations and strategies and develop intelligence sources. That's quite a bit, but shouldn't be taken too far."
Israelis may not have taken part in the rescue, but they advised and guided, sold equipment and intelligence technology.
The Israeli involvement began a year and a half ago, when Colombia asked Israel for help in its struggle against FARC, which had become a militia specializing in kidnapping civilians and military figures for ransom and drug trading.
Israel has over the years sold Colombia planes, drones, weapons and intelligence systems. At the Defense Ministry's suggestion, Global CST won the $10 million contract to work with Colombia.
Ziv and Kuperwasser did not take part in the fighting, at the Defense Ministry's instructions. They hired experts who had worked for the Mossad, Shin Bet security service and IDF in various capacities.
"Well I have to say that this operation was exclusively carried out by the Colombian Army," Colombian ambassador to Israel Juan Hurtado Cano said in an interview with Infolive TV, Jerusalem.
"Advising" or even "training" is NOT necessairily "masterminding", and even if "they" masterminded, "they" are not a country -- Global CST is NOT "Israel"...it's a paid contractor, in the same context that Blackwater is not America.
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| Jul 5 @ 5:11 PM |
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cowboymoses
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My Lord - there are more angry women here than at the National Convention of NOW!
Miss Sunbabe - You and your pal Miss Eastham need to have some beer or maybe WHINE (sic).
Here is what I DID write -
"Columbia hostage rescue masterminded by Israelis"
It does not say - The Israelis - which would imply the government. It does not say Moussad. It does not say Jews. You may know not all Israelis are Jews. I did not mispeak. You all need to learn how to read.
And yes they masterminded the raid. Read the accounts. What do you all think they were doing there then? Shining Boots?
My Lord.
Maybe when the movie comes out you all will get it and apologize to me!
Good Day
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nah12
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just because someone is taught or decides to believe something is a fact does it actually make it a fact or is it only an idea they choose to believe?
[Edited on 7/5/2008 5:23 PM]
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| Jul 5 @ 5:34 PM |
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SunBabe
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I don't apologize, Moses. I have nothing to apologize for. I posted an article and highlighted "facts" that were presented by the writer of said original article. I also put it in quotes and posted the original source so that there'd be no confusion or plagiarism.
I presented addtional "fact" that "Global CST is NOT "Israel"...which is in response to your unwarranted comment "Thanks Israel". The correct attribution should have been "Thanks Global CST". 
BTW, I would waste a good wine OR wine on fake cowboys like you. 
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| Jul 5 @ 6:01 PM |
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Angel54214
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I don't think one person here read my post, so I will repeat an excerp:
Israel's involvement in the operation began a year and a half ago when Colombia asked Israel for help against FARC, the Marxist rebels who kidnapped Betancourt in 2002.
Israel responded by dispatching a group of military advisors to assist the army in matters of intelligence, special operations and integration of security forces for the operation, though they did not participate in the actual rescue.
Global CST, an Israeli security firm owned by Major General (res.) Israel Ziv and Brigadier General (res.) Yossi Kuperwasser, both reservists in the IDF (Israel Defense Forces), coordinated Israel's participation.
It couldn't be more clear of Israeli's involvement that lead up to the rescue.
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