| Sep 30, 2009 @ 5:34 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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There is a reason why we step on spiders, swat wasps, and kill venomous snakes and that reason is not always that they have hurt us; the real reason why we kill spiders, wasps, and snakes upon contact is that each of them has the capacity and the ability to hurt us.
So, we eliminate the hazard in a preemptive manner so that we will remain safe by terminating them.
Its the same with groups such as terrorist Muslims. They have the capacity to hurt us, have declared war on us, and are ready, willing, and able to torture our people and commit any number of atrocities in the name of Allah against all infidels who by definition are not Muslims.
There is a remedy. With regard to any terrorist organization who declares that they are at war with us, we simply step on them, swat them and kill them on contact until we are the survivors.
Nothing else is sane or will insure our survival.
Sanity is self-preservation and self-defense, both of which are sufficient reasons to use lethal force.
Better they should die for their God than we should die for their religion.
End of story.
Except by definition, the domestic enemies of the United States are opposed to the use of violence in order to survive. They hate America. They think America is evil. They want us to lose. That is why they debate and obfuscate but the fact is that Indiana Jones had it right when the Assassin wielding a beheading scimitar was brandishing his sword ominously while facing Indiana Jones; "Indy" unsnapped the flap of his holster, took out his revolver, and shot the man dead.
He did the right thing.
The only thing I would do differently is to yank off the offender's shoe and sock, and while he is gasping for breath and drowning in his own blood, simply apply a Justifiable Homicide Toe Tag to make a record of the incident.
After all, we are civilized and not a lawless people.
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| Sep 30, 2009 @ 7:17 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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There is a reason why we step on spiders, swat wasps, and kill venomous snakes and that reason is not always that they have hurt us;
Ya right, there is a reason, but this,
the real reason why we kill spiders, wasps, and snakes upon contact is that each of them has the capacity and the ability to hurt us. ain't really it.
It is fear born from ignorance.
Educate yourself on these creatures, and you will be less inclined to swat stomp and kill.
Fear born of ignorance. Sound like a political party mantra to anyone else?
You can only be truly civilized through the education of self.
Free you mind and your chunky ass will follow.
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| Oct 1, 2009 @ 1:53 AM |
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iglooo101
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eastham,They were here to bother people attending synagogue on the highest of the Jewish high holy days. 
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| Oct 2, 2009 @ 12:24 AM |
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newlife2006
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It's obvious that those who threaten other countries and attack peaceful civilians
( and that's exactly what terror business is all about ) - those give their "marks" moral right and , moreover , moral obligation to terminate them as a danger to the humanity. "Understanding" terrorists only can lead to loss of more innocent lives. As for trying to pacify murderers by offering them human or territorial sacrifices - as history teaches , it would be as "effective" as trying to stop blackmailer by ...paying him. Why would they stop profitable activity?... 
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| Oct 2, 2009 @ 11:26 AM |
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RareQuestor
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One of the myths of our time is that hatred and bigotry require a demonic leader--an Adolf Hitler, a David Duke, a Father Coughlin, a Fred Phelps--to flourish. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that such leaders flourish only in an environment where bigotry and hate are ingrained. Hitler exploited the anti-Semitism that had flourished in Germany for centuries; David Duke exploited the racial mistrust and bigotry that still lingers in Louisiana; Father Coughlin appealed to the millions of bigots who were seeking a scapegoat for the troubles caused by the Great Depression; and Fred Phelps tries to tap into the latent homophobia that still afflicts much of America.
I used the phrases "harvest of hate" and "seeds of hate" deliberately. Hatred and intolerance always begins small. It starts when we laugh at a joke that compares President Obama to a monkey. It begins when we mock someone as a queer or a fag. It begins when we blame others for our problems, when we forget that those with whom we disagree are as human as we are. Hate grows when you allow that prejudice and bigotry to influence your actions. And hate has conquered you when it guides your every thought and action.
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| Oct 2, 2009 @ 11:37 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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There is a reason why we step on spiders, swat wasps, and kill venomous snakes and that reason is not always that they have hurt us;
Actually, if you step on spiders you're increasing your biting insect population, not curbing it. But as Burns pointed out, that requires thought instead of looking at something and saying oh scary thing, stomp!...kind of like why people shun folks like the Elephant Man and miss knowing some awesome people.
I'm with RQ (as usual) - it's part of why I hate stereotyping (like 'men are all ... ' or 'those people', be they black, white, red, yellow; Jewish, Muslim, Christian or even atheist). I have no problem going after someone who has a scimitar and is coming after me but that doesn't mean I'm going to assume that anyone I see wearing a turban is necessarily out to murder me. If you look at some of the most murderous and vicious people in this country's history, you'll see most were fair-skinned, purported Christians and generally exceptionally attractive and charismatic.
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| Oct 2, 2009 @ 11:56 AM |
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eastham
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RQ,
The Internet has added a whole new dimension to the issue of hate. While the world has evolved for the most part from the vicious anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany, there are pockets of neo-Nazis where those feelings are as virolent today as they were 70 years ago. The internet allowed these groups to believe they are not a tiny minority of public opinion, but part of a much larger movement. It also has allowed them to cyberstalk, etc.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 5:00 AM |
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SensualGemini
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East: The Internet has added a whole new dimension to the issue of hate. While the world has evolved for the most part from the vicious anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany, there are pockets of neo-Nazis where those feelings are as virolent today as they were 70 years ago. The internet allowed these groups to believe they are not a tiny minority of public opinion, but part of a much larger movement. It also has allowed them to cyberstalk, etc.
...Wonder why everyone wants to use Hitler as an example? Sure, he was a SOB, but 55 Million people died in WW II. Even the Jews did their genocides with a few million Latvians, but the Zionist don't publicize that.
...And what about the recent and ongoing genocides in Africa of millions? Or what about the recent atrocities by Russia, China, Japan, etc., where millions upon millions died?
...Or ancient history with the Crusades, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, etc.
...We did not need the Internet to create hatred, as it was already there and neo-Nazis are a very small minority of that hatred.
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Heaven: I'm with RQ (as usual) - it's part of why I hate stereotyping (like 'men are all ... ' or 'those people', be they black, white, red, yellow; Jewish, Muslim, Christian or even atheist).
...You mean like how RQ jumped in with Mo with the derogatory attacks against MF and Lacy because they are "different?"
...Yes, I can see what you mean, but at least I know where the MF's and Lacy's stand, while I am not certain about the world's self righteous hypocrites that start threads on prejudices and intolerances... that are self serving at best.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 6:00 AM |
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kjac
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Recent local events have made me realize just how violent religious hatred can be. It's a sad state of affairs when a man can torture a child, then sue over being fired for it.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 6:12 AM |
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arieann
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Kjak, I read what you are talking about. But the teacher is crazy. A crazy person does not know they are crazy. He believes his rights have been violated, when in reality, he violated the rights of the children.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 10:39 AM |
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RareQuestor
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...We did not need the Internet to create hatred, as it was already there and neo-Nazis are a very small minority of that hatred.
I cannot speak for Eastham, but I believe that her point was that the Internet makes it easier for people to sustain hatred. Apart from the possibility of recruiting, it is also easy for a bigot to confirm all of his or her prejudices and fears. Before the Internet was invented, people were limited to their immediate social circle or to what they could find in books and newspapers. Now there are literally millions of websites which cater to paranoia, xenophobia, misogyny, misandry and racial and religious bigotry. As Eastham observed, this enables bigots to believe that their prejudices are more common or popular than is actually the case and that they have more influence than is the case. This in turn reinforces their prejudices which results in a vicious cycle.
Conversely, the Internet also makes it easier to keep track of such people as well as enable others to obtain information to expose bigotry and hatred. As with any tool, the Internet reflects the mind of the person who is using it. It is just that the Internet is easier to abuse than most other communication mediums.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 10:55 AM |
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eastham
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Thank, RQ, very well put.
I would add, that the Internet provides something else...attention. If you live down the street from a nutcase, you can for the most part ignore that person. You can choose not to listen to his diatribes about Jews or gays. You wave him off. But on the internet, these people find not only comrades, but attention.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 2:40 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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So far NO ONE has posted a reasonable alternative to the ultimate resolution of the elimination of the militant Islamic Jihadist terrorists who have declared war on the United States of America and also terminate with extreme prejudice all of their fellow travelers, be they accessories, those who give them aid and comfort, those who are their propaganda puppits, and those who provide them with any form of financial aid.
It is sane to do whatever it takes to survive and it is ethical to use lethal force to insure that we survive them.
Anyone who offers any sophistry or leftist propaganda to the contrary is merely a 21st Century Quisling and a bona fide domestic enemy.
Anyone want to draw a line in the sand and stand with me against them, or would you prefer to wring your hands and then proffer some idiotic notions about the merits of "studying" them or offering humanitarian aid to win their hearts and minds, or even go to the absurd lengths of offering to negotiate with terrorists, much like Corporal Liberal at the Battle of the Little Big Horn advised Colonel Custer that all we need do is stroll down Last Stand Ridge and find a reaqsonable Cheyenne or Sioux Warrior to negotiate a cease fire with, give a few presents to, and enter into a battlefield "detente" agreement with?
So, here is the ultimate choice, stand with me and survive or go into league with Corporal Liberal and get killed in a barbarous manner, either before or after being scalped, mutilated, disfigured, and "terminated with extreme prejudice."
By the way, the Indian sign language symbol for the Sioux Nation was to draw a finger accrose your neck in the "cut throat" sign. Reminds me of the way David Pearlman died by live decapitation.
Whose side are you on? Ours or theirs?
And thats the way it is; the Primier Precision Thinker's viewpoint.
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 2:52 PM |
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ForumMod
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just a reminder:
we do not allow our site to be used to promote violence or physical harm toward anyone. 
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| Oct 3, 2009 @ 2:57 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Matthew 5:43-48 (King James Version)
43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Works for me! 
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| Oct 4, 2009 @ 3:30 AM |
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SensualGemini
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RQ: It is just that the Internet is easier to abuse than most other communication mediums.
... So?
...Airplanes made it much faster and easier than automobiles, while automobiles made it much faster and easier than horses and horses made it much faster and easier than walking.
...And if the intent of 'made it' was to "abuse," then anything easier and faster than walking has added a lot of abuse in this world.
...It is not airplanes, automobiles, horses, or trains, motorcycles, etc., that are doing the abuse, nor is it guns, bow and arrows, or knives, but rather people that cause the abuse.
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East: I would add, that the Internet provides something else...attention. If you live down the street from a nutcase, you can for the most part ignore that person. You can choose not to listen to his diatribes about Jews or gays. You wave him off. But on the internet, these people find not only comrades, but attention.
...Like ignoring the guy down the street, you cannot stop yourself from searching for and then going to a website? It sounds like you are your own 'created victim.'
...And you don't think homosexuals or Zionists use the Internet to advance their agenda? No matter how you attempt to twist it, lack of acceptance is not hatred, but simply refusal to condone.
...Personally, I don't accept the lifestyle of fags, as that would be condoning same, but I don't hate them. Neither do I accept the manipulation of the Zionists, but I don't hate them either.
...Truly, you need to get out more, as the world trades one real hate for another. If you doubt this, take a walk through Iran in your NYC street clothes.
...For some reason, you have a real issue with neo-Nazi and I got to tell you, they are the least of your concerns as far as hate groups go. We have whole cultures that hate, whole countries that hate, which are all immensely larger.
...Meantime, I see that you dismissed the atrocities of the Zionists, or that they were the terrorists against the British.
...Personally, I don't care about your bigotry, but living in a bubble and pointing your finger at ghosts is not conducive to understanding.
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| Oct 4, 2009 @ 8:40 AM |
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RareQuestor
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SensualGemini wrote:
...For some reason, you have a real issue with neo-Nazi and I got to tell you, they are the least of your concerns as far as hate groups go. We have whole cultures that hate, whole countries that hate, which are all immensely larger..
I am not especially worried about neo-Nazis (who are usually too dumb to be a serious threat to society.) My concern, Dave is you. You and many others here are constantly attacking liberals, homosexuals and anyone else who does not agree with you. Some merely snarl and grumble while others openly advocate violent action. The cumulative effect is to create an atmosphere of hatred and intolerance which encourages violence and destruction. I remind you that earlier in this thread I mentioned the example of Jim David Adkisson who entered the Knoxville Unitarian Church in Tennessee last year and gunned down two people because he hated Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting
The following books were found in Adkisson's home during a police search:[8]
Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by radio talk show host Michael Savage
Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism by talk show host Sean Hannity
The O'Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad, and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly
In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate,[10] and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America [10] of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.
What puzzles me is the fact that you already have lived through this, Dave. You can remember the riots and other racial violence of the 1960's. I am sure that you can easily list the casualties of that hatred: John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, Medgar Evers, et cetera. Why would you want to live through that again?
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| Oct 4, 2009 @ 8:44 AM |
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RareQuestor
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The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between political parties either - but right through every human heart.
~Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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| Oct 4, 2009 @ 9:54 AM |
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lacyvsq
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What puzzles me is the fact that you already have lived through this, Dave. You can remember the riots and other racial violence of the 1960's
I don't know about Dave, who is just a little younger than I, but nothing of the riots and racial violence was anything more to me than news on the radio. There was nothing of it in my region of the country and at 10-ish, I had little interest in the politics of the nation, other than liking perhaps to wear political party buttons and pins (and it did not matter to me which party was named).
I am sure that you can easily list the casualties of that hatred: John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy, Medgar Evers, et cetera.
Political murders are not from hatred but from desire for power and fear of losing power...
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| Oct 4, 2009 @ 4:34 PM |
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arieann
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Ok, Jim David Adkisson was a madman out to kill liberals and hoping the police would kill him in the process. I have no sympathy for him going to prison. But, if conservatives are more violent, why do liberal cities have the most violence?
Just wanted to add that I dont think any one hates a group as much as that caveman hates Geico.
[Edited on 10/4/2009 5:36 PM]
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