| Aug 20 @ 10:21 AM |
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Jalon
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Considering the safety of some schools these days, should teachers be able to carry handguns? One Texas school district is allowing it! Read article here:
Texas Teachers Packing Heat!
Would you want your child's teachers to have guns? Would you feel they are safer? Is this idea just an over reaction to a few isolated events and media exploitation? 
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| Aug 20 @ 10:45 AM |
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Gman762
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I don't think it to be an overreaction, I think it is about time.
Right now, society's whackjobs (aka chickenshitz) will commit mayhem in places that THEY feel safe, where they can make the most noise on their way out and where they can prey upon the most innocent of our society. It's why they pick schools, churches and any places where the chances of them encountering equal or greater force are small. They want to go out in style and on their own terms...it's a chickenshit power trip for them.
Arming qualified citizens takes that option away.
We have started arming US Air Marshalls and pilots on flights (not all, but some). You don't hear about too many hijacking attempts anymore. Reason?? The bad guys don't know which flights will meet them with equal or greater force. They could very well die before they achieve their disturbed goals.
That is exactly what will happen when qualified citizens/teachers are armed. The bad guys won't know which schools they can muck with under the threat of equal or greater force.
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| Aug 20 @ 12:16 PM |
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cre8ive1970
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I'm all for it as long as the teachers are certified as not having emotional or mental issues. Would you give Mr/Ms Garrison a gun?
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| Aug 20 @ 12:50 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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Yes, it's an overreaction. It's also a TEXAS thing! School shootings are rare events. Like nutcase suicide bombers, there's not much we can do to prevent the event. Also, since most of these idiots end up killing themselves, the thought of a teacher/employee shooting back may not matter. Plus, they are not thinking rationally anyway. And, I can't help but thinking, what will the police do when they arrive and find a shootout going on or a half dozen people standing around with guns. If they come in with guns ablazen, how will they know who to shot at? More innocent people may die because everyone is packin'! Now, you will have to worry about a student, or group of students attempting to obtain the teachers' gun!
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| Aug 20 @ 1:02 PM |
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cre8ive1970
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I can't help but thinking, what will the police do when they arrive and find a shootout going on or a half dozen people standing around with guns. If they come in with guns ablazen, how will they know who to shot at?
There have already been instances of the kind of scenario that you are suggesting might happen. By the time the cops got there, the bad guy's were dead and far fewer, if any, innocents were killed. Besides which, the police do not come in with "guns ablazen". They don't shoot first and ask questions later. When they come upon an armed 'suspect'. They are trained to give 'suspects' an opportunity to surrender. 'Suspects' who are not the perpetrators will not turn their weapons on police and will not, therefore, be shot.
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| Aug 20 @ 1:08 PM |
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Gman762
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there's not much we can do to prevent the event.
Wrong...
Why don't these same idjits waltz into a police station, a gun shop or a national guard armory to start their mass murders?
The answer is simple: These venues have equal or greater force and people with the means and will to defend their life.
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| Aug 20 @ 1:31 PM |
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alivenwell351
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School shootings are rare events
So are car wrecks, house fires, floods and the like...
But ya still have insurance just in case, right???
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| Aug 20 @ 1:38 PM |
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Loreli
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floods and the like...
But ya still have insurance just in case
Flood insurance is expensive for many people here now, since our June 13 flood.
I would rather see high risk schools have metal detectors and an armed guard.
That will up the employment rate too.
My concern with this is, you have a "whacko" in class that does not have a gun, but they can overpower the teacher and take their gun.
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| Aug 20 @ 2:24 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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In a situation where a gunman is shooting at people, and some may be shooting back, I would doubt there would be much time for policemen to demand the suspect drop his weapon! Much less have them hear the demand. Split second decisions must be made. Some might be wrong.
Nuts don't "attack" police stations, or gun shops, or armories for the reason you implied. But, an attack on those sites would also not accomplish what the nuts want. They wouldn't draw the attention like a school, or mall shooting would. Yes, the "body count" would probably be smaller in the above mentioned places. The object is to take as many people with you as you can. My guess would be that's why you don't see many attacks on police stations, and the like.
I think we have more car crashes, floods, and house fires than school shootings.
A wacko isn't going to think about a teacher having a gun. If they are rational enough to think that out, they should be rational enough to not shoot up a school. If you're crazy enough to shoot innocent kids/people for attention, you don't give a damn about an armed teacher. Anyway, if they fear the teacher, take them out first!
Hey, I don't care if every teacher is armed! I just don't think it will stop a nutjob anymore than the death penalty stops murder or rape.
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| Aug 20 @ 2:45 PM |
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Gman762
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My concern with this is, you have a "whacko" in class that does not have a gun, but they can overpower the teacher and take their gun.
Or they can die trying (far more likely).
Of course...your scenario assumes that the bad guys know who has the guns. Since it is CONCEALED CARRY, that would be assuming a lot....
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| Aug 20 @ 2:49 PM |
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Gman762
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They wouldn't draw the attention like a school, or mall shooting would.
Exactly...and all the more reason the not disarm people where they are most vulnerable.
Most people overlook the fact that mass murders happen almost exclusively in GUN FREE ZONES. That is the one thing that all of these big shootings have in common...everyone they target are sheep.
Take away the gun free zone status and allow people to fight back...you won't be reading about many more mass murders.
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| Aug 20 @ 3:07 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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Your assuming the whacko CARES who has a gun. I don't think it will make much difference. As I recall, most of these kinds of mass killings occur here. Where guns are readily available. You are also assuming that the teacher will have the guts to pull the trigger in a situation. Granted, if you carry a concealed weapon among small children, you will be willing to use it. And use it correctly, since it is unlikely the shooter is going to stand still while the teacher aims and fires. Do you think a parent will be any happier that their child was killed by his teacher, or a lunitic? Not me. She would be just as dead. And, in most of these cases, the shooter kills himself. If they have no regard for their life beyond the act they have planned to commit, they probably don't care if the die in a hail of bullets fired by someone else. Sure, this may save a life or two, and that's good. I still don't think it will prevent a crazy from shooting. It may stop a disgruntled parent. Or a one on one confrontation.
I am not anti gun. Not at all. Just don't buy into the idea that gun toting teachers will make much difference. Watch the screaming and teeth gnashing the first time a kid gets a gun away from a teacher.
[Edited on 8/20/2008 3:10 PM]
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| Aug 20 @ 3:09 PM |
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Loreli
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Some of those whackos won't care if they are playing roulette....
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| Aug 20 @ 3:15 PM |
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Gman762
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Some of those whackos won't care if they are playing roulette....
If that is true...then riddle me this: Why don't they ever do it anywhere else? Why do they ALWAYS pick places where they know they will encounter nothing but sheep...that are unarmed?
I really want to hear your answer...
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| Aug 20 @ 3:21 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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Because, killing sheep IS the object. The object is to draw attention to the incident. Killing innocent children or people who can't readily defend themselves IS the point of the massacre. Attacking an armed police station will not produce the kind of attention as attacking a mall, or church, or school will bring. The public will not remember it nearly as long. These are done, usually, by people seeking attention, or fame, or some other self gratification. It is not a random act. It is well thought out. The location may be random.
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| Aug 20 @ 3:23 PM |
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Gman762
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I don't think it will make much difference.
Well, you'd be mistaken. These events ONLY...ONLY...ONLY...take place where the govt has turned the victims into sheep. Did I say ONLY?? If I didn't, I sure as hell meant to.
No other type of venue has this problem...not one.
Why might that be??
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| Aug 20 @ 3:24 PM |
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Gman762
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Killing innocent children or people who can't readily defend themselves IS the point of the massacre.
Ok...then why deny them the right of self-protection?
Because that is exactly what you want...
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| Aug 20 @ 3:31 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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What? Ok, this has gotten ridiculous now. So, let's arm all the kids in the class room? Sorry, my idea of this country is not to strap a gun on every person's hip. If that's what you think will prevent mass murderers, more power to you.
Since you are now assuming you know all about me, which you don't, I guess we are done. I enjoyed the conversation, when you were civil. I answered your question, and you didn't like the answer. I didn't think you would.
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| Aug 20 @ 3:56 PM |
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Gman762
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Yep, you are right when you say it has gotten ridiculous. Bring up a coherent, rational, "real world" argument and you'll be taken serously. Assumptions of what you imagine I said don't count BTW.
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| Aug 20 @ 4:03 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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OK, I'm reading! Give me one. I haven't seen one from you yet. Your ideas are just as flawed. Opinions are like....Well, you know.
Gotta a business to run. Gotta make sure they all have their guns loaded and ready to fire! Never know when some gun toten' bad guy is gonna come shoot my sheep!
Bye, squirrel....
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