| Sep 6 @ 11:59 PM |
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painter007
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I am a political forum watcher and can see there are very good points presented by some of the people who post on here and I seem to go back and forth on who I like in the running this year....Could those who wish please say who they prefer and why without all the put downs and spitwad throwing? Thank you...
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| Sep 7 @ 12:04 AM |
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Skydognc
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I am voting for Skydog!
why, one may ask.......
simple.....
cause anything is better than who is running!
all these peeps in this country........
and this is the best of the best!
my God!
we are doomed!
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| Sep 7 @ 12:08 AM |
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painter007
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Well besides you having my vote.....can we proceed on with the info 
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| Sep 7 @ 12:53 AM |
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Novalite
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I don't, as you know vote iin your elections but, am able to voice my viewpoint which, may or may not sway others or, at the very least, provide some strenthening of truth or logic to what exists. I try to fight sniping and red herrings to keep things on track such as the ridiculous accusatin the Obama is not a natural born American or that McCain's divorce has any relevance to the elcetion or either's qualifications.
No, I am not a shoe in for either candidate however, at this point in time lean towards McCAin while ultimitely hoping that Obama can show that he is qualified to be president.
Why the paradox? Easy, McCain represents the same. Safe, tired, whatever in a time when strange enemies and new economic challenges face this world and western civilization. In short, there's a lot more unknown moving parts happening now than there was eight years ago. At least with mcCain, you can be sure that one part will be a known.
On the other hand, Obama provides an opportunity to be able to change relationships with international entities without having to go through years of negotiations. All he has to do is take power and say 'things are different' then change things. The problem is, what will he change them to? In short, McCain will move slower and, in a direction we know will be safe, Obama will move faster yet possibly slip on his butt.
The issue of Obama's qualifications is meaningless as nobody becomes presidential material until they actually become presdent. Same with mcCain. Given the staff that either may or may not appoint as well as the thousands of people they can call oon at a moment's notice for expertise the difference between them is little more than how they think and what they prove to the world they believe. McCain = left of center conservative. Obama = far left liberal.
Inorder to get votes, both have had to rreach out to their base (McCain the right and Obama the far left) which provides the means and momentum to get elected. Both know that the undecideds (whom I would fall into) need them to move their positions to something mainstream in order to be viable. So, the questin is, which one of these guys are you going to trust?
McCain has a track record of keeping the world relatively safe and, has voiced his opposition to Bush and his policies various times however, has supported him more often than not. Obama has one of opposing much of what the Republican administration has done while offering opinions that are totally against what 'speak softely and carry a big stick' ential.
On the flip side, obfustications occur regularily in the form of what each did years back and such. Obama and his preacher, McCain and his swearing etc. All are meaningless once in power as their concern then will be to protect what they have been put in charge of - your country.
The VP picks were interesting in that McCain solidified his base while Obama garnered experience in order to ward off complaints about his lack of. Nobody except Palin has experience and McCain sure did not pick her for that as his in the Senate was never an issue. Palin brings sucess while Biden brings back up to a candidate who needs sombody established to provide a quasi legitimacy.
Biden's qualificatins seem to be impeccable as every candidate has been raked over the coals except he yet, he brought little to help Obama except proping up an already strong contender. Hillary would have been a far better and wiser choice.
Palin on the other hand brings experience yet, there is a flaw that I noticed that is not observed by anyone so far. She is strong and willful. She is right wing and, able to make things happen. A trait that is ignored by the left as they bash her for being anti abortion and has a downs kid and all.
The point is they never understaind in their mud slinging is that, she could, probably better than all the candidates take power as president and make it work better. The problem is, she is too good, too willing to not compromise and would push her powers to the limit. In this she is, if controled a blessing and, if not, well ...........
I just hope that Obama can get his act together. As he stands right now, he flips and flops however, not like Kerry did. Kerry's mistake was solidifying his positions however, too late for people to know who he was.
If he can't do that then better just let McCain win so it will be jsut like normal. Safe.
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| Sep 7 @ 1:05 AM |
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painter007
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Thank you for your input.......I appreciate what you have to say.
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| Sep 7 @ 1:56 AM |
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Say_Yes
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I have admit that I am not that fond of either Obama or McCain. I'll start with Obama & move on to McCain.
On the positive side Obama is charismatic. He has the ability to inspire, something McCain lacks. He does very well with prepared text. He is young, healthy & vigorous, which should make him physically well suited to the stresses of the office.
I have several problems with Obama. It starts with his propensity to duck issues and refuse to take a stand. While in the state house, he voted "present" over 100 times. When asked, "When does a baby get human rights?" Obama responded
Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or, a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is, is, above my pay grade.
As president of the USA, nothing political is above your pay grade. The president is the person who will nominate justices to the US Supreme Court. The president can not afford to have the luxury of making non answers on important issues like this.
I also believe Obama to show very poor judgement in the selection of people with whom he chooses to associate. For months he spoke of his spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright as being like family. Then suddenly, he had no idea of the racist hatred that the man spewed in his pulpit. Now, the man who was like family to him, is a pariah, and Obama has chosen to abandon the relationship. Men of character and sound judgement do not have to make such choices about people that they have known for decades. One the keys to being a good president is getting good advice. Given Obama's history of making poor choices on the people with whom he chooses to surround himself, I am very leary of the choices that he would make for his cabinet and inner circle of advisors.
McCain is more of known quantity. His life is more of an open book. His military record is outstanding. As a senator, he was the republican leader of the "Gang of 14" (which included 7 dems & 7 repubs) who worked together to go beyond partisan politics to get things done. He has co-sponsored several bills with members of the opposition, (McCain - Kennedy, McCain - Feingold for example) to get things done. While the dems want to paint him as being a Bush clone, his record does not support such a claim. McCain is more of centrist, which is why the right wing of the party opposed his nomination.
On the downside, McCain is 72. While he appears to be in good health, the stress of the presidency is very hard on the human body. Should he not be able to complete his term of office, then it would fall to his VP, who has very little in the way of experience on matters of foreign policy. Then again, no governor has foreign policy experience, including recent presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan & Carter, so I am not so sure just how much that matters. McCain has been known to have more than a little temper. He also has the charisma of a turnip.
In my view, Obama has great form, and questionable substance. McCain has substance, but is lacking in form. McCain is more of a centrist, while Obama is a left wing liberal. If your politics, lean to the left, then Obama would likely be the person you would want to support. If your politics are more to the center or right, then you would be more likely to prefer McCain.
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| Sep 7 @ 2:01 AM |
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Novalite
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Yes, over all you lean towards McCain, what think you of Palin and Biden?
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| Sep 7 @ 2:03 AM |
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painter007
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Thank you for sharing your views.... 
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| Sep 7 @ 2:15 AM |
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KatiefromStafford
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My thanks, too. I will read over these when my mind is a bit less blurry.
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| Sep 7 @ 3:54 AM |
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bardnsage
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Mr. Obama claims he is going to cut the taxes for 95% of Americans.
I don't see how this is true. They want to rescind the tax cuts put in by President Bush, and Obama stated that he would. This will cause a tax increase to ALL American taxpayers.
Then he wants to increase the taxes on the rich.
He wants to raise the business tax by at least 25%, this will hurt not only the business but the shareholders, their customers (who are usually middle class),
He wants to increase the Capital Gains tax, which will hurt many retired people living on their gains, all the holders of mutual funds, and will a rise in prices (which hurt the middle class and the poor).
The Liberals hate the rich, since the rich don't need them, only the poor and the middle class think they need the Liberals.
Mr. Obama supports and is pushing legislation to make payments to African American farmers who may have been the subject of discrimination during the 1930's through the 1990's. No mention of support for any other farmers who lost their farms from buy-outs, force outs, or loss of market. No distinction between African Amercian Farmer who lost his farm from force outs, or market loss, and discrimination. Hence, the African Amercian farmer down the road, who lost his farm becuase the market collasped, will get a discrimination check, while my family will not. link here, to OBAMA's OWN WEBSITE
Mr. Obama wants to improve schools. He sponsered a bill for over 100 million dollars to go to middle schools, because only 30% of the nations 8th graders could read or perfrom math at a basic levels. 30%,,, does this seem right. The schools would be required to match the funds at a 25% level, and part of the funding is used to provide bonuses to teachers and schools. The judging would be done by nonproffit community groups.....of course working with the schools. Nuff said about that.
Mr. Obama's plans for change, have been very shy on details. I'm not the guy who buys something based on what the saleman says. I want to see the details. No details forth coming. When you do have details, such as his written statements and laws, I don't like them. His wife, his electection, her promotion, his pushing for federal funds to build a pavilion at her hospital,,,well, it sounds like same old same old politics to me. Hey, she has had her job less than 3 years, and she gets a long term leave of absence. Does that sound right to you? We would have to quit our jobs in order to be gone that long.
The good part about voting for Obama, is that he is already pushing for increased laws and enforcement regarding safety for cranes, poultry workers, lead paint, etc. That is going to make more business for me as I work to keep plants from getting hammered by OSHA/EPA/NRC etc.
Bottom line, he is the most liberal canidate for office I have ever seen. He's overwelming message is not change, but that government can fix your problems if we just get bigger.
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| Sep 7 @ 5:07 AM |
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Angel54214
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Painter...First I want to thank you for this thread opportunity you brought foreward, especially during these crucial times of our great country.
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I have not and do not vote or lean towards a particular party, but rather weigh out the balance of what candidate(s) best hold promises of truth with honor and adoration for growth of our country and her needs.
When choosing a candidate, I realized a couple months ago, that I was choosing to suit my own needs and wants and tried to fit the candidate in my mold. As the last couple of months had passed, focused on my surroundings and the wider scope of our country's needs; our neighbors, friends, family. To the veteran rolling his wheel chair down the side walk and the lastest amber alert of a missing child. Then the corporations that move to another country and the employment line goes out the door. Social Security, Healthcare, Economy, Crime and National/International Relations. These are all things that we are involved with either directly or indirectly.
Senator Barak Obama:
I have followed Senator Obama respectfully since 2000. Listened to his speeches; where he went and what he has accomplished in his history. He has potential and stamina for some important issues, but I have ended up asking more questions than received answers. Senator Obama when you said, "Tear Down That Wall" you didn't say it to our country, but shouted it in another. You plagiarised former Reagan's inaugural speech motto and made it your own, sir you stood upon respect and shunned charactor of judgement. I have concerns for your inconsistant stabilities and lack of progress in your current political position as Senator, and I have great concerns of your communist history involvements. Your well defined speeches offered me little as an individual, for when you speak, you only address your race and not all ethnics as a whole. Malcome X would have been proud of you. Sir Obama, racism is in the minds of activists and they are of all color and ethnics. When you made the decision to step up on stage and say I want to be the next president of the United States of America, your heart was not in it for the long haul and for all that live in this country. There is no black, white or even red to be divided, but there is a neighbor, Father, Brother, Mother, Daughter and Son to be brought together in the mix. You praise for "change" and I have heard your message. I am concerned as to where my family, myself and community will fit into your change, what ever it might be. What you will bring to the Whitehouse is unclear and foreign beyond recognition for what historial America was and is known for.
I am not concerned that Senator Obama promises tax cuts, for every president candidate has promised this. It's all in balancing the budget that starts at the top and currently some of the funds have just run out. One particular eye opener for me on Senator Obama, was something morally he stated in April this year...
"I've got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby." Grant it, I am a divorced Mother and am a Grandmother of 6, a law abiding citizen and work for a living. Raised 5 girls, which 2 of them are my own and one had a her first child at age 17. I never told her she made a mistake, I told her she made an adult decision and was faced with adult responsibilities.
A child is a blessing, not a punishment no matter the circumstance. And Senator Obama you do not know what the future will hold for you and your family.
Senator Joe Biden:
Senator Biden...sir I regretfully, but respectfully have not known you as well as I should have, but am greatful for your recent success against HIV/Aids, which kills thousands of Americans each year. Have admiration for your education proposals for our younger generations need all the education we can give them for preperation for our country's successful tomorrow. Drug trafficking is a major problem in our country and you have made a dent that has improved enforcement, which advanced the reduction of drug international quantity to our country. And you implimented advancement for drug addicted recipients. Senator Biden , you have strong leadership qualities and a coherant package bound; Not only have you addressed problems, but you aim to solve them thoroughly upon completion. I feel your unemployment ideas bring more questions to my mind, for it is not good to have those that need and want to work sit at home worrying and pacing the floors wondering if they can pay their bills and feed their families tomorrow. Sir, you would be an asset to the whitehouse, but am concerned of where your problem solving glass sits on international relations.
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| Sep 7 @ 5:40 AM |
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Angel54214
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John McCain:
I have observed Senator McCain since the Viet Nam war. I lost family and friends in this conflict. I was there at the T.V. when Senator McCain's plane crashed; I was there watching him when he returned hobbling on crutches from Hanoi. I praised in blessedness of his bills that passed law of Congress. And I visited the book store to buy his memoir books.
Senator McCain's age does not concern me; He has kept up the stamina of presidential election debate, conventions and other political support ciriculums He still maintains his current job position faithfully. He has traveled in a day from one state to another and presents his contribution efforts to each table and podium. He stand on the stage just as long as the others and his smile is endless. His mom Roberta has to tell him "don't get emotional"...lol. I admire Senator McCain for giving himself to us in this candidate opportunity; he could have retired years ago, but didn't for he is financially blessed.
He really does love our country and wants to progress forward with us all the way; every step, and every hour he can muster. He is not a god, he is just a man that wants to serve his country and do what is best for each of us and our communities as well as our future generations. Senator McCain is apologetic; he has publically apologized when he errored, and through his apologies, he learned by his past mistakes and did not make them again; he strengthened where he was weak.
Senator McCain I believed truely in you when you said, "Country First." For I have been one small citizen that has followed you since the 70's and you always put our country first while your hand rested upon your heart.
Governess Sarah Palin:
I have no concern of Senator McCain's running VP mate Sarah Palin. If elected, I believe she has the best sidekick any VP could have. She has much to learn and she has learned much. Governess Palin has my adoration and respect for all she has done in Alaska and for Alaska. She had her ups and downs and she was voted for re-election. She is a woman, Wife, Mother and now a soon to be Grandmother. She has a husband that has fully supported her career and continues to do so. Mr. Palin has been there by her side through this intense election. Sarah is not afraid of anything, she has high integredy and stands up straight with dignity to fight for justice with valuable cause. She will bring a multitude of assets to the whitehouse and she wears red with pride. Sarah maintains her current Governess position daily in Alaska and impliments status quo issues at hand to her state. Governess Sarah, it's not just your words that brought my attention to you, it was when you raised your arm and gave us your fist that we are a strong and powerful nation and we can do anything to change what we don't want and like.
Commentary:
Our country is $10 trillion in debt, and one man or woman alone can not liquidate this debt. It takes a team effort for all and it takes time in years to accomplish the elimination of zeros.
Our country is still in war zone territory, this effects our families ourselves and our bank accounts. It effects our home comfort in security and stability of independance. War takes away lives and it gives sorrow to the survived families and to the surviving maimed. War is costly and it never returns any amount of reward payment.
Our country is overly in abundance of unwelcomed crime, and poverty; they have proven to run hand in hand. These unwelcomes will never dissolve, but they can be addressed to much reduction and it's an on going progress of actions for effective results that takes every citizen to do part.
Thank you to all readers of my post and may your vote this election gives positive benefits and surity of dreams to you and your families.
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Olde Glory Keep On Waving High!
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| Sep 7 @ 5:51 AM |
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cre8ive1970
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To put things simply, if you don't want socialism, don't vote for Obama.
If you want things to stay pretty much as they are but with a view to a future improvement, vote for McCain/Palin.
If you want the war in Iraq to be a disater, vote for Obama.
If you want higher taxes/higher cost of living/higher energy prices, vote for Obama.
If you prefer a President on the scale of Jimmy Carter only worse, vote for Obama.
If you prefer a President that has no idea of the reality of how the world is governed, vote for Obama.
If you want our enemies to see our government as weak, vote for Obama.
If you think that Islamo-fascism should be prosecuted as a crime rather than fought as a war, vote for Obama.
If you want a President that thinks that it is our collective responsibility to ensure that nobody, anywhere on this planet, is poor, and you are willing to pay additional taxes to meet that responsibility, and you are willing to give up the sovereignty of the USA to the whims of the UN, vote for Obama.
If you want a President who looks upon you with disdain, vote for Obama.
If you hate yourself, vote for Obama. He hates you too, because you're an American and he thinks that you are the cause of all the problems in the world.
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| Sep 7 @ 9:17 AM |
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legacy1
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I am a political forum watcher and can see there are very good points presented by some of the people who post on here and I seem to go back and forth on who I like in the running this year....Could those who wish please say who they prefer and why without all the put downs and spitwad throwing? Thank you...
Believe me Painter I try....but when attacked...attacks will be given back swift and just.
Why am I going for Obama? I want real change not the same old politics...Mccain is not really a bad guy and he already broke one of his promises...that he wasn't going to be doing the same old political tricks to get elected....sadly factcheck has already busted him more than once...playing the same old politics. And now he has Karl Rove to "advise" him...the very man who shit on him for his election for Prez in 2000....go figure? 
Obama speech was better delieverd and really inspired me and made me want to believe in our government again. But sadly to say I can already see the roadblocks-(bipartisian fighting) ahead if elected and we will again have the same old politics either way.
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| Sep 7 @ 10:02 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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To be honest, I don't even know anymore. I like some things about both candidates, and I like Sarah Palin. I also like Joe Biden. It's getting tougher every day.
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| Sep 7 @ 1:02 PM |
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painter007
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Lip..............That is why I put this post up. I read what is in here and go back and forth and I do appreciate the views and knowledge of the people on here and want to thank them all for the insight and time to share their views....
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| Sep 7 @ 1:06 PM |
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Dukums
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The only difference between republicans and democrats is that the republicans might take two weeks longer to spend your money.
I vote for Barney!
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| Sep 7 @ 1:13 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Unfortunately I agree Dukums - nobody can get anything done in Washington without playing the game. I'll probably vote with my heart and go libertarian - it won't matter anyway since my state will go to McCain.
More war, more borrowing, more interest to be paid on the debt. 
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| Sep 7 @ 1:39 PM |
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vinnytmd
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When the Primary season began I was unclear who to support. None of the Republicans seemed to be conservative and I detest the Clintons. The only two candidates that I respected as having the qualities of a leader were Rudy and McCain. In McCains case there were too many issues where he took liberal positions.
Fact is that when Barry Obama began to catch on I was touched. I have many Black friends and grew up in a racially mixed area. I was curious how early on the Blacks were not on his side including many Black leaders. My Black friends considered him to be elitist and not "really" African American. Hillary Clinton was the heir apparent and most Blacks were happy with her and felt that Barry was NOT ready.
What happened in the primaries proved to me that he was a fake. He pulled out the race card on Hillary and then voila, the Blacks loved him. He began to abandon all of the idealistic positions that he had early on. His early position was against the War. His criticism of the surge was vile and disrespectful and once the surge proved to be working he cannot even admit he was wrong. All in all he has displayed qualities that are clearly proof that he does not have leadership qualities.
So by default I was left with McCain. Little by little he began to grow on me. Being an active Republican I knew that he would choose Palin. He had no choice. Lieberman would have turned him down and any strong leader knows that they need people that have personality traits that compliment their own. No one else could do this but Palin. Ridge, Pawlenty and Mitt Romney did not compliment McCain.
With Palin I am charged up. She was the perfect choice and I know that she will one day be President. She is a sexy version of Reagan or Thatcher. Communication skills are so important and W sadly lacks them.
I predict that McCain will announce his cabinet before the election, proving that he will reach across lines.
Palin will go on to be one of the Great Women of all times like Thatcher.
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| Sep 7 @ 1:47 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I know who I want to answer that phone at 3 am in the morning. A person you can trust. Someone with experience too.
If Sen Obama had waited 4 or 8 more years, we might have gotten to know what he really votes on and what he really does. I see nothing about him I want for a president.
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