| Sep 16 @ 6:35 PM |
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nah12
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YES this a freaking joke but they say this Energy Bill is what we as Americans have asked for .....
the a few things this new Energy Bill proposes:
NO new oil refineries for all this so called oil they say we will be able to drill with this bill. Do your research where and how will they refine it if no new refineries
NO lawsuit stipulation provisions since the pass oil leases are sued and drilling stopped with every new or renewable lease by so called environmentalist 100% of the time. So when was the last new oil drilling lease actually start drilling and how much did it cost after all the useless law suits were filed and fought
NO nuclear power provisions but right now Dubai is in the process of beginning to build 17 new nuclear energy power plants while they sell us their oil and they are not the only countries even India is turning to more nuclear power resources
NO funding for wind or solar only so called incentives even T Bone Pickens gets that part of energy dependence need
NO new clean coal resource provisions are included in this bill
NO new drilling within in the outer continental banks but we can drill in the area of the ocean that we presently do not have the actual knowledge or resource to drill in ....
No new Alaska drilling provision is included
YES there is funding for $1.2 million for NY subway included as earmarks
YES there is funding for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae included as earmarks that we are now bailing out already at the price tag of what was it tens of billions of dollars
BUT this is the Energy Bill that we as the American people have ask for and deserve and like Senator Dingell of Michigan so eloquently stated, we will always have next year remember if this one is lacking we will be in Washington next year . But we have only waited for 21 months on this wonderful Energy Bill that they have so thoughtfully considered the American tax paying citizens need and ask for. YEP this is exactly what will lower our gas, heating and cooling prices ......
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Sep 16 @ 6:37 PM |
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Gman762
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Typical Democrats...
Lots of flash...nothing of substance...
Did Obama author this nonsense??
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| Sep 16 @ 7:30 PM |
And they Call it an Energy Bill
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nah12
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I truly don't care what side of the political party ones are on when it comes to this Energy Bill that we as Americans so disparately need. But what i do care about is having a real Energy Bill that will address the real issues that we as American citizens are facing and will benefit from now and in the future not just more BS party rhetoric ...
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| Sep 16 @ 10:05 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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nah12....Is this energy bill in Pakistan, Iraq or Mexico? I am trying to figure out where it could be....as no links were provided to support your post! 
Would you like to let the rest of us in on this as it seems you and another poster are carrying on a conversation between yourselves!
I do understand that some things just go over your head....is this one of those things....that is plum over your head? 
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| Sep 16 @ 10:36 PM |
And they Call it an Energy Bill
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cre8ive1970
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nah12....Is this energy bill in Pakistan, Iraq or Mexico? I am trying to figure out where it could be....as no links were provided to support your post!
Would you like to let the rest of us in on this as it seems you and another poster are carrying on a conversation between yourselves!
I do understand that some things just go over your head....is this one of those things....that is plum over your head?
Typical Democrat supporter. Needs to be told where to look. Needs everything handed to him on a silver platter. Totally incapable of looking for the information himself. And, of course, entirely delusional, believing that he is more informed that anybody else even though he never knows WTF he is talking about. Smug and stupid is not a good combination. You never fail to display just how foolish you actually are, or how ignorant. Moron.
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| Sep 16 @ 11:30 PM |
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nah12
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For all DA's that haven't a clue it's called pay attention to what is going on with your elected officials in Washington daily ......
Source was/is C-Span, ever heard of it? Nay didn't figure you would have
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| Sep 16 @ 11:41 PM |
And they Call it an Energy Bill
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Jankia
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not just more BS party rhetoric We need a rebellion nah.Our two party system is great for a democracy but the wrong democray in my opinion.
A representative democracy doesnt do what Lincoln proclaimed..."of the people, by the people, and for the people." The "people" arent the oil conglomerates.
A direct democracy is what we should rebel for.
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| Sep 16 @ 11:44 PM |
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Nightowl001
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NO new oil refineries for all this so called oil they say we will be able to drill with this bill. Do your research where and how will they refine it if no new refineries ??? I'm a little unclear on this. Do you want the government to earmark money to build government refineries?
NO lawsuit stipulation provisions since the pass oil leases are sued and drilling stopped with every new or renewable lease by so called environmentalist 100% of the time. So when was the last new oil drilling lease actually start drilling and how much did it cost after all the useless law suits were filed and fought. No stipulations the oil companies can sidestep environmental, zoning and other laws without being made to account for it. Got it.
NO nuclear power provisions but right now Dubai is in the process of beginning to build 17 new nuclear energy power plants while they sell us their oil and they are not the only countries even India is turning to more nuclear power resources Again, no new money earmarked by the government to build nuclear power plants.
NO funding for wind or solar only so called incentives even T Bone Pickens gets that part of energy dependence need No money earmarked for alternative energy funding. Got it.
NO new clean coal resource provisions are included in this bill What provisions did you want to see? Was the government supposed to use our tax dollars to buy cleaner-burning coal? ?? I don't understand what you're getting at here, Nah. YES there is funding for $1.2 million for NY subway included as earmarks
YES there is funding for Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae included as earmarks that we are now bailing out already at the price tag of what was it tens of billions of dollars Let me see if I understand. If YOU like it, it's a "funding provision," but if you don't, it's an "earmark." That about right?
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| Sep 16 @ 11:55 PM |
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Gman762
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WASHINGTON — The House has voted to allow oil drilling off the nation's Atlantic and Pacific coasts if states agree — but only 50 or more miles out. Republicans called the bill a ruse, saying that's well beyond where most of the estimated 18 billion barrels of oil is located.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the bill — approved late Tuesday 236-189 — marked "a new direction in energy policy" as it also funnels billions of dollars to be collected from new taxes and royalties (that taxpayers will pay for) on large oil companies to promote alternative fuels and energy efficiency in an attempt to move the country away from polluting fossil fuels.
The bill rolls back $18 billion in oil industry tax breaks (that taxpayers will pay for)and imposes new oil and gas royalties, while giving tax incentives for wind and solar industries and for conservation. Even before the vote, the White House said President Bush would veto it if it passes Congress.
Pelosi, who not long ago characterized Republican demands to lift the ban on offshore drilling a hoax, shifted gears in recent weeks and conceded some drilling measure would have to be part of any energy package.
Expanded offshore drilling has become a mantra of Republican energy policy that has been felt in the presidential and congressional campaigns, despite wide agreement that lifting the drilling ban in place for 26 years would have little if any impact on gasoline prices or produce any oil for years.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain vowed at the recently concluded Republican convention to push for new offshore oil and gas drilling amid delegate chants of "drill, baby, drill," and his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, said he supported more drilling as part of a broader energy package.
The Democrats' bill would allow drilling in waters at least 50 miles from shore almost everywhere from New England in the Northeast to Washington state in the Northwest, so long as a state agrees to go along with energy development off its shores. Beyond 100 miles, no state approval would be required. The drilling ban would remain in the eastern Gulf of Mexico.
But Republicans lashed out at the Democratic concession and accused Pelosi of trying to deceive the public and simply provide cover from Democrats this election year with a vote on offshore drilling.
They cited Interior Department estimates that 88 percent of the 18 billion barrels of oil believed to be in waters now under drilling bans would remain off-limits because they are within 50 miles of shore. And they said few states would be likely to agree to drilling since the bill does not provide states with any of the royalties from the new energy production.
It is a bill "written in the dark of night" that won't do a thing about the supply of energy, said House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio. "It's a hoax on the American people. This is intended for one reason ... so the Democrats can say we voted on energy."
Republican anger punctuated the floor debate as Democrats refused to allow any amendments to the 290-page bill, which kept the minority party's leaders from bringing up a much broader drilling proposal that would open waters as near as 12 miles from shore if states agree.
Democrats derided what they called Republicans "drill only" response to the country's energy problems.
"America needs an oil change," said Rep. Edward Markey, a Democrat. "They keep saying on the Republican side, `Drill, baby, drill!' What we're saying is `Change, baby, change!' and they can't change."
Pelosi also won the support of oil-state Democrats.
People "can no longer insist that it's my way or the highway" when it comes to energy legislation, said Democratic Rep. Gene Green. He often has sided with the oil industry on energy measures but spoke in support of the Democratic proposals.
The Democratic bill also would:
—Roll back $18 billion in tax breaks for the five largest oil companies and require energy companies to pay billions of dollars in royalties avoided because of an Interior Department contracting error. That cost would be passed along to consumers...
— Require the release of oil from the government's Strategic Petroleum Reserve to try to push down gasoline prices. Screw that!@! IT IS A STRATEGIC RESERVE FOR EMERGENCY ONLY!!
— Make it a federal crime for oil companies holding federal leases to provide gifts to government employees, a response to a recent sex and drug scandal involving the federal office that oversees the offshore oil royalty program and energy company employees.
— Provide tax credits for wind and solar energy industries, the development of cellulose ethanol and other biofuels.
— Require utilities nationwide to generate 15 percent of their electricity from solar, wind or other alternative energy source.
EXPECT INCREASED ELECTRICITY COSTS.
— Give tax breaks for new energy efficiency programs including the use of improved building codes and for companies that promote their employees' use of bicycles for commuting.
Un-fookin-believable what these asshats are trying to ram down our throats with their politics...and it's the DEMOCRATS once again...
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| Sep 17 @ 12:16 AM |
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Say_Yes
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I would guess that this is the source of the OP.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The House of Representatives on Tuesday approved an energy bill that could clear the way for more drilling in the United States, as the Democrats who control Congress yielded to pressure from Republicans on the issue.
But the bill, which passed 236-189, contains provisions Republicans do not like, including a repeal of tax cuts for the oil industry and a lack of incentive for states to allow drilling on their land.
"It's time for an oil change in America," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters Tuesday. She contrasted her party's plan with "the status quo, which is preferred by Big Oil" and the Bush administration, "or change for the future to take our country in a new direction."
She insisted that Republicans "must set aside their drill-only mentality."
Rep. Mike Pence, an Indiana Republican, called the Democratic bill "a charade," denying it would do what its backers claim. "This is not 'yes' to drilling. This is 'yes, but,'" he argued. "This is 'yes, but no drilling in Alaska, no drilling in the Eastern Gulf, no drilling inside 50 miles.' This is 'yes, but no litigation reform that will prevent radical environmental attorneys from tying up leases even before a single shovel of dirt is turned.'"
The Democratic bill would allow drilling between 50 and 100 miles offshore, as opposed to the three-mile line favored by Republicans. It would require states to give their permission for drilling on their land. It would also include incentives for renewables, require the government to release oil from its emergency reserve, and force oil companies to drill on federal lands they already lease from the government.
Democrats and Republicans traded harsh words on the House floor Tuesday in the debate over the bill. Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., said President Bush's "idea of an energy policy is holding hands with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, embracing him with a big smooch."
When the Republicans "controlled Congress, [they] passed their own energy bill, signed into law by the president. We got into this mess," the New York Democrat said. But Rep. Jeb Hensarling, a Texas Republican, shot back that the Democrats' bill is a "sham" and a "fraud." "This is a bill designed to ensure Democrats' re-election, not designed to ensure affordable energy in America," he said. He also complained about how the bill was brought to the floor: "No amendments, no substitutes, no committee hearings. Is this democracy? No."
The Senate could vote on various energy proposals, including more offshore drilling, as early as this week.
Source - CNN
Basicly, it is what I would expect to see from an environmental nut job, like Pelosi. She wants the price of oil to stay high, to encourage conservation and to promote alternative fuels. This way, she can get what she wants and then blame Bush for the outcome. If he vetoes it, then that is even better from her perspective.
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| Sep 17 @ 12:22 AM |
And they Call it an Energy Bill
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nah12
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True Jankia
As for you NO you are not worth the time to explain it to you because you still will not get it ... so my only advise to you is go do real research on your own and get a brain transplant while you are at it and come back then for an intelligent discussion on the topic .....
Edited to add one more time ... 
AS for the OP source it's C-SPAN ... listen to it about every day and most of last night and today .... yep info right from all the jackasses mouths Live and in color too...... 
[Edited on 9/17/2008 12:29 AM]
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| Sep 17 @ 2:23 AM |
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kattsmeow
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"It's time for an oil change in America," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, told reporters Tuesday. She contrasted her party's plan with "the status quo, which is preferred by Big Oil" and the Bush administration, "or change for the future to take our country in a new direction."
I can't believe that the Dem's here in California put her where she is at!!!!
Of course, she does love to fly in those big nice planes though huh?
Grrr,, Can't wait till she is gone. 
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| Sep 17 @ 3:11 AM |
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vinnytmd
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??? I'm a little unclear on this. Do you want the government to earmark money to build government refineries?
Hey genius, they just need to allow it. Just like your whack job party in control will not allow more Nuke Power Plants.
For an intelligent guy you are as dumb as a board.
[Edited on 9/17/2008 3:26 AM]
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| Sep 17 @ 3:21 AM |
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nah12
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Very True Vinny ....
but hey it's still a waste of your time trying to explain to NO and Duckie what even a 5th grader could understand ....
 remember that show
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| Sep 17 @ 6:15 AM |
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Gman762
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This energy bill won't see the light of day. George (by God) Bush (the leader with balls), will most certainly wipe his ass with this bill and then file it where it belongs 
Obama would vote for this nonsense, feel-good, tax-Americans-to-death, feel-good-accomplish-nothing bill...
McCain would tell the Dems to pound sand...
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| Sep 17 @ 8:55 PM |
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Gman762
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Dems bending us over again in Iraq...
by Frederick W. Kagan - (Weekly Standard)
This morning, I had the honor of testifying before the House Budget Committee on the situation in Iraq. The discussion was polite and civilized, and was a reminder that even now it is possible for people who disagree about what to do in Iraq to argue without raised voices and disagreeable language (apart from the Code Pink women, yelling for those who think that shouting opponents down is preferable to arguing with them). Congressman Brian Baird once again demonstrated that it is possible even for those who bitterly opposed the war to recognize the importance of doing the right thing now–as well as the possibility of crossing the Republican-Democrat sectarian divide on this issue. One question came up repeatedly in the hearing that deserves more of an answer than it got, however: Why, after all the assistance we’ve given to Iraq over the past five years, was the first major Iraqi oil deal signed with China and not with an American or even a western company? The answer is, in part, because three Democratic senators intervened in Iraqi domestic politics earlier this year to prevent Iraq from signing short-term agreements with Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, Chevron, and BP.
The Iraqi government was poised to sign no-bid contracts with those firms this summer to help make immediate and needed improvements in Iraq’s oil infrastructure. The result would have been significant foreign investment in Iraq, an expansion of Iraqi government revenues, and an increase in the global supply of oil. One would have thought that leading Democratic senators who claim to be interested in finding other sources of funding to replace American dollars in Iraq, in helping Iraq spend its own money on its own people, and in lowering the price of gasoline for American citizens, would have been all for it. Instead, Senators Chuck Schumer, John Kerry, and Claire McCaskill wrote a letter to Secretary of State Rice asking her “to persuade the GOI [Government of Iraq] to refrain from signing contracts with multinational oil companies until a hydrocarbon law is in effect in Iraq.” The Bush administration wisely refused to do so, but the resulting media hooraw in Iraq led to the cancellation of the contracts, and helps to explain why Iraq is doing oil deals instead with China.
Senators Schumer, McCaskill, and Kerry claimed to be acting from the purest of motives: “It is our fear that this action by the Iraqi government could further deepen political tensions in Iraq and put our service members in even great danger.” For that reason, presumably, Schumer went so far as to ask the senior vice president of Exxon “if his company would agree to wait until the GOI produced a fair, equitable, and transparent hydrocarbon revenue sharing law before it signed any long-term agreement with the GOI.” Exxon naturally refused, but Schumer managed to get the deal killed anyway. But the ostensible premise of the senators’ objections was false–Iraq may not have a hydrocarbons law, but the central government has been sharing oil revenues equitably and there is no reason at all to imagine that signing the deals would have generated increased violence (and this was certainly not the view of American civilian and military officials on the ground in Iraq at the time). It is certain that killing the deals has delayed the maturation of Iraq’s oil industry without producing the desired hydrocarbons legislation.
Nor is it entirely clear what the senators’ motivations were. Their release is available along with their letter to Secretary Rice at the New York Observer quoted Senator McCaskill as follows: “‘It’s bad enough that we have no-bid contracts being awarded for work in Iraq. It’s bad enough that the big oil companies continue to receive government handouts while they post record breaking profits. But now the most profitable companies in the universe–America’s biggest oil companies–stand to reap the rewards of this no-bid contract on top of it all,’ McCaskill said. ‘It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to connect these dots–big oil is running Washington and now they’re running Baghdad. There is no reason under the sun not to halt these agreements until we get revenue sharing in place,’ McCaskill said.” So was this about what’s best for Iraq and American interests there or about nailing “big oil” in an election year?
Bastards... 
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| Sep 18 @ 8:44 PM |
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Jankia
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Let China have the oil Gman,It wont be long when we will be begged to exchange our expensive grain commodities for there inexpensive oil.
Oil will no longer control the world when food takes over.
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| Sep 18 @ 8:56 PM |
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nah12
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but remember Jankia .....those environmentalist tree huggers are not going to let you dig up that ground to plant those seeds to grow grain you might kill an endangered worm, bug or flea
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| Sep 18 @ 9:30 PM |
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Jankia
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People change there minds more when here bellies empty then they do when the gas tank is nah.
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| Sep 18 @ 9:43 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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I have no links for this, as it was just a discussion at work, but there are a lot of mega-farms who are only growing the grains that are for the bio-fuels. These grains are not fit for food as they are too rich in oils for consumption. So if things were not bad before, wait for the results of the midwest flooding this spring and summer will have on the food crops this fall. And no, I have no solutions..
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