| Sep 27 @ 1:22 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Just links! I am not posting anything other than these because I want everyone to have their own say. As I know you will!
Please, feel free to post any relevant links you wish!
fact check and their take on whom told one and whom did not
Alternet...yes, a little to the left but, it is my post
Media Matters takes an unbiased look at how the media portrayed the debate
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| Sep 27 @ 1:58 PM |
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Novalite
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Yep, the Bama O is a liar.
After the McCain-Obama debate, however, Kissinger issued a statement saying he doesn't favor a presidential meeting:
Kissinger: Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain.
And the Dems put this guy as their front runner?
Unbelievable!
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| Sep 27 @ 2:46 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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 seems we have a difference of facts....
Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.
Did Kissinger Back Obama?
McCain attacked Obama for his declaration that he would meet with leaders of Iran and other hostile nations "without preconditions." To do so with Iran, McCain said, "isn't just naive; it's dangerous." Obama countered by saying former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger – a McCain adviser – agreed with him:
Obama: Senator McCain mentioned Henry Kissinger, who's one of his advisers, who, along with five recent secretaries of state, just said that we should meet with Iran – guess what – without precondition. This is one of your own advisers.
McCain rejected Obama's claim:
McCain: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.
Obama: We will take a look.
McCain: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level.
Obama: Nobody's talking about that.
So who's right? Kissinger did in fact say a few days earlier at a forum of former secretaries of state that he favors very high-level talks with Iran – without conditions:
 imho..McCain lied big time here... this is important stuff.. too important to lie about..
McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.
[Edited on 9/27/2008 2:53 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 2:57 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Media Matters?
Alternet?
More whack job sties from the dlllllluckie.
Why do you post trash like this? 
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| Sep 27 @ 3:09 PM |
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Silver1961
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Usual line from the neocons..... blame the media  
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| Sep 27 @ 3:11 PM |
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vinnytmd
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silver - these sites are not the MEDIA - they are whack job liberal blog sites.
Get an education.
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| Sep 27 @ 3:15 PM |
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Silver1961
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I've been studying Fox, and their polling has given the debate to Obama too.. I'm enjoying that education 
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| Sep 27 @ 3:33 PM |
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Novalite
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GH seems we have a difference of facts..
Yes, seems you use hearsay and I used the source himself - Kissinger.
He said;
Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:18 PM |
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Angel54214
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imho..McCain lied big time here... this is important stuff.. too important to lie about..
GH...have you heard of Pickens Plan? If not, you can check it out here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickens_Plan
Both Obama and McCain have met with Pickens on his foreign oil proposal.
You can also read about Pickens and his proposal here:
http://www.thestockmasters.com/pickensplan-071008.html
McCain didn't lie!
When Obama met with Pickens on Aug. 17th, why didn't Obama mention the $700 Million error?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/obama-meets-with-pickens/
Or even before their meeting:
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/04/t-boone-pickens-encouraged-by-obamas-energy-speech/
[Edited on 9/27/2008 4:34 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 4:30 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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IF (note, I said if!) McCain said we pay out $700 billion a year to hostile foreign powers for oil, then my first reaction would be WTF! I don't care if we are paying out 2 cents.. this is ludicrous!
We are buying oil from the very terrorists that are attacking our country?!?
Does anyone else see how dumb that is? Why don't we just ship them some nukes on missles and go build the delivery systems for them, too?
Or better yet, why not call for a moritorium on buying oil from hostile contries.
Period. They just opened up off shore drilling (all the pubs were cheering each other on about that one) so let's give them a couple of years to get production going and then shut down the lines of supply from hostile nations completely. Sure China will buy their oil, but if the U.S. is buying $700billion this year, and every year from them, then you can not convince me that if we boycott them completely, refuse to buy any oil from them, that it would not hurt them in the wallet. If not, then we still need to stop doing business with people who want our country destroyed and our people dead..
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| Sep 27 @ 4:33 PM |
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Gman762
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We are buying oil from the very terrorists that are attacking our country?!?
And the f-ing Democrats refuse for us to become self-sufficient for our energy needs. They actually WANT us to be under the thumbs of these people!!!
No more nukes...
No domestic drilling....
No offshore drilling...
No shale oil extraction...
That is what the Democrats consistently vote for!!
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| Sep 27 @ 4:45 PM |
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Loreli
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Could I please have a legit link on that info, Gman?
I would really like to read it.
Thankyou.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:49 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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Gee, could have sworn I heard yesterday that the ban against offshore drilling was or will be let to expire.. or did I hear wrong? Might not be true, as vinny and germ weren't dancing all over shouting about it all night long last night.
[Edited on 9/27/2008 5:03 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 4:51 PM |
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Gman762
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You're a big girl Lori...and I won't waste any more time than typing this.
It's pretty common knowledge if you've been paying attention to the news at all 
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| Sep 27 @ 4:52 PM |
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Angel54214
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Here you go Katie! I just googled it...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/14/bush.offshore/index.html
adding...
The House voted late Tuesday to open waters off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts to oil and gas drilling but only 50 or more miles out to sea and only if a state agrees to energy development off its shore. http://cbs2.com/national/offshore.oil.drilling.2.818686.html
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| Sep 27 @ 4:56 PM |
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Gman762
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Gee, could have sworn I heard yesterday that the band against offshore drilling was or will be let to expire.. or did I hear wrong? Might not be true, as vinny and germ weren't dancing all over shouting about it all night long last night.
I wasn't on last night. You must have been getting a fresh load of helium and were dreaming it...
Harry Dweeb will NEVER allow offshore drilling here unless it is 100+ miles offshore. When he means offshore...he REALLY means offshore.
The Dems very much intend to renew legislation to stop drilling or they will pack an energy bill so full of ridiculous crap that nobody in their right mind will vote for it. Then of coure, they'll blame inactivity on the GOP...that is their SOP.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:58 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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Usual line from the neocons..... blame the media  
You're a big girl Lori...and I won't waste any more time than typing this.
It's pretty common knowledge if you've been paying attention to the news at all
Cause ya cant and ya just wont admit it.
[Edited on 9/27/2008 5:00 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 4:58 PM |
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Loreli
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nm
[Edited on 9/27/2008 5:03 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 5:02 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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I did find an article about the offshore drilling deal in Congress
House Dems ok offshore drilling
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| Sep 27 @ 5:07 PM |
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Loreli
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Thank you Katie...I watched the debate with my Dad, brother and Uncle, but they were talking, so I didn't get it all.
I'm going to go to a site tonight if I don't have to go back to Hospice.
But my opinion is. we should all help each other here, because if we can post "as legit as possible" sites...and one or the other is the seemingly more dependable candidate, it would make a bigger difference than cutting each other down.
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