| Sep 27 @ 3:30 PM |
What's your view of the Bush Doctrine?
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Novalite
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I'd say that it's putting the safety and interests of America first.
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| Sep 27 @ 3:42 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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As a libertarian, I'm more of the mindset of the Cato Institute:
"Cato's foreign policy vision is guided by the idea of our national defense and security strategy being appropriate for a constitutional government, not an empire. Cato's foreign policy scholars question the presumption that an interventionist foreign policy enhances the security of Americans in the post-Cold War world, and maintain instead that intervention has consequences, including the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, and even terrorism. The use of U.S. military force should be limited to those occasions when the territorial integrity, national sovereignty or liberty of the United States is at risk.'
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| Sep 27 @ 3:43 PM |
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Gman762
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I'd like to know who exactly defined the Bush Doctrine  Nobody had ever mentioned it until Sarah got interviewed 
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| Sep 27 @ 3:47 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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It's just Wiki, but the history of the citations there do date back to 2002...
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, created in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a potential or perceived threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq); a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism; and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]
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| Sep 27 @ 3:49 PM |
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Gman762
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Wiki...oh
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| Sep 27 @ 3:59 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Wiki? 
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| Sep 27 @ 4:02 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Ah. but the question was WHEN did the term come into use - alleging that it was only within the last few weeks. Wiki's history of posts indicates thats not so - my comment there referred to history, not even accuracy, although I think it actually is quite accurate.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:05 PM |
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Gman762
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although I think it actually is quite accurate
Are you aware how things are posted on Wiki as "factual"? I never go there for politics because it is left to the whim of whomever approves the info. Therefore, it can be VERY slanted.
Great for other researching things other than politics however. 
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| Sep 27 @ 4:06 PM |
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Novalite
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duplicate post
[Edited on 9/27/2008 4:08 PM]
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| Sep 27 @ 4:06 PM |
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Novalite
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I know five;
1. Nations are with the terrorists or with us;
2. The right to preemptive war.
3. Promotion of the democratic peace theory.
4. Deployment of forces in forward areas to help allies and threaten enemies.
5. Cultivation of allied relationships to deploy missile defense system.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:16 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Nova- right on. Gibson is a hack.
Katie tried to trap Palin with the Kissinger question which we now know Katie and Barry were 100% wrong about.
Do you see the connection - Katie - Gibson - Barry.
The stench of the media bias is sickening. It was in the past two elections too, yet Bush won. The polls were presented with Bush losing both elections by 5-10 points yet he won.
I expect the same this year.
Then of course we will be told it was fixed and that Barry lost because he is Black. But he is not Black. 
The media in the USA depends on the citizens to be dopes. As we can see here on MD many are just that.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:22 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Guys, the reason I said it was quite accurate is that it agrees with my understanding of what's generally considered the Bush doctrine - i.e. interventionist policy, as well as approval of pre-emptive strkes against governments considered hostile to our interests, without compelling evidence of an impending attack.
If you know of a different definition, please feel free to post it.
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| Sep 27 @ 4:26 PM |
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Gman762
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interventionist policy, as well as approval of pre-emptive strkes against governments considered hostile to our interests, without compelling evidence of an impending attack.
Maybe you mean like O'Bwana saying he's going to bomb and even invade parts of Pakistan?
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| Sep 27 @ 4:28 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Actually that would go back to the earlier definition that was used to justify attacking Afghanistan, i.e. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves .
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| Sep 27 @ 4:29 PM |
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Novalite
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Guys, the reason I said it was quite accurate is that it agrees with my understanding of what's generally considered the Bush doctrine - i.e. interventionist policy, as well as approval of pre-emptive strkes against governments considered hostile to our interests, without compelling evidence of an impending attack.
Gibson and the left wing press would tar and feather you. Nowhere is there any hint of a policy in place that encourages "pre-emptive strkes against governments considered hostile to our interests" as the entire doctrine centers around defense, not economics.
If you know of a different definition, please feel free to post it.
I gave five, you gave one (preemptive intervention of percieved threats to the US and it's 'interests')
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| Sep 27 @ 4:51 PM |
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Loreli
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2. The right to preemptive war.
What does this mean then? 
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| Sep 27 @ 4:51 PM |
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Gman762
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Try Google.
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| Sep 27 @ 5:47 PM |
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cre8ive1970
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I'd like to know who exactly defined the Bush Doctrine Nobody had ever mentioned it until Sarah got interviewed
Not one to normally disagree with you, Gman, but Rush has been using that phrase for years. He may even have been the one to coin it. He's been using it since some time around the begining of the Battle in Iraq. I've always understood the phrase to relate to the right of a pre-emptive strike on a foreign government whose actions and sentiment are an existential threat to the USA and/or her citizens and allies; or to put it more simply, DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO UNTO YOU!!! 
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| Sep 27 @ 5:51 PM |
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Loreli
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I'll try "let the big talkers post their own friggin support" for 100, Alex.
Heaven said something similar to the preemptive war and was argued with.
Google that.
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| Sep 27 @ 5:56 PM |
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Gman762
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Rush has been using that phrase for years.
Could be...I don't listen to him.
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