| Sep 29 @ 11:28 PM |
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?
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MinnieSoda
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For more than 100 years -- since the end of the Civil War -- deployment of the U.S. military inside the U.S. has been prohibited under The Posse Comitatus Act (the only exceptions being that the National Guard and Coast Guard are exempted, and use of the military on an emergency ad hoc basis is permitted, such as what happened after Hurricane Katrina).
Though there have been some erosions of this prohibition over the last several decades (most perniciously to allow the use of the military to work with law enforcement agencies in the "War on Drugs"), the bright line ban on using the U.S. military as a standing law enforcement force inside the U.S. has been more or less honored -- until now. And as the Army Times notes, once this particular brigade completes its one-year assignment, "expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."
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| Sep 29 @ 11:53 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Once a Democrat is elected this will stop! Only the Law and Order rethuglicans see the need for this type of military intrusion! As they fear for their lives during their stealing, graft and destruction of Americas Constitution! 
And they should run in fear! 
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| Sep 30 @ 12:06 AM |
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?
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Josuha
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Points of Trivia.
1 BCT is called one of the 'bloodiest' combat units in Iraq.
It will be assigned to 'NORTHCOM" which falls under 'Homeland Security'.
The unit will receive training in the new 'non lethal' crowd control.
I suspect the new 'microwave crowd denial weapon'.
The unit will be a 'ready reaction force' that can be deployed anywhere in the country.
Do a google for further info.
James Madison: "As the greatest danger to liberty is from large standing armies, it is best to prevent them by an effectual provision for a good militia." (notes of debates in the 1787 Federal Convention)
[Edited on 9/30/2008 12:14 AM]
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| Sep 30 @ 12:24 AM |
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davelrrp2
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Joshua
Points of Trivia.
1 BCT is called one of the 'bloodiest' combat units in Iraq.
It will be assigned to 'NORTHCOM" which falls under 'Homeland Security'.
The unit will receive training in the new 'non lethal' crowd control.
I suspect the new 'microwave crowd denial weapon'.
The unit will be a 'ready reaction force' that can be deployed anywhere in the country.
Sorry, but it does NOT fall under Homeland Security.
Source http://www.northcom.mil/About/index.html
U.S. Northern Command (USNORTHCOM) was established Oct. 1, 2002 to provide command and control of Department of Defense (DoD) homeland defense efforts and to coordinate defense support of civil authorities. USNORTHCOM defends America's homeland — protecting our people, national power, and freedom of action.
USNORTHCOM’s specific mission:
USNORTHCOM anticipates and conducts Homeland Defense and Civil Support operations within the assigned area of responsibility to defend, protect, and secure the United States and its interests
USNORTHCOM’s AOR includes air, land and sea approaches and encompasses the continental United States, Alaska, Canada, Mexico and the surrounding water out to approximately 500 nautical miles. It also includes the Gulf of Mexico and the Straits of Florida. The defense of Hawaii and our territories and possessions in the Pacific is the responsibility of U.S. Pacific Command. The defense of Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands is the responsibility of U.S. Southern Command. The commander of USNORTHCOM is responsible for theater security cooperation with Canada and Mexico.
USNORTHCOM consolidates under a single unified command existing missions that were previously executed by other DoD organizations. This provides unity of command, which is critical to mission accomplishment.
USNORTHCOM plans, organizes and executes homeland defense and civil support missions, but has few permanently assigned forces. The command is assigned forces whenever necessary to execute missions, as ordered by the president and secretary of defense.
Civil service employees and uniformed members representing all service branches work at USNORTHCOM’s headquarters located at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo.
The commander of USNORTHCOM also commands the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), a bi-national command responsible for aerospace warning and aerospace control for Canada, Alaska and the continental United States.
USNORTHCOM’s civil support mission includes domestic disaster relief operations that occur during fires, hurricanes, floods and earthquakes. Support also includes counter-drug operations and managing the consequences of a terrorist event employing a weapon of mass destruction. The command provides assistance to a Lead Agency when tasked by DoD. Per the Posse Comitatus Act, military forces can provide civil support, but cannot become directly involved in law enforcement.
In providing civil support, USNORTHCOM generally operates through established Joint Task Forces subordinate to the command. An emergency must exceed the capabilities of local, state and federal agencies before USNORTHCOM becomes involved. In most cases, support will be limited, localized and specific. When the scope of the disaster is reduced to the point that the Lead Agency can again assume full control and management without military assistance, USNORTHCOM will exit, leaving the on-scene experts to finish the job.
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| Sep 30 @ 12:26 AM |
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?
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lefthandedluckie
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This unit is only here to protect Bush/Cheney and the rest of those thieves, criminals of the Bush administration!
The sooner a Democrat is elected the sooner this unit will be disbanded! It needs to be investigated according to some information posted in a post above mine and from links I have viewed! These guys/gals are close to being War Criminals, if not already!
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| Sep 30 @ 12:28 AM |
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Angel54214
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The Insurrection Act of 1807
...is the set of laws that govern the President of the United States of America's ability to deploy troops within the United States to put down lawlessness, insurrection and rebellion. The laws are chiefly contained in 10 U.S.C. § 331 - 10 U.S.C. § 335. The general aim is to limit Presidential power as much as possible, relying on state and local governments for initial response in the event of insurrection. Coupled with the Posse Comitatus Act, Presidential powers for law enforcement are limited and delayed.
Posse Comitatus Act
18 U.S.C. § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus
"Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both".
Amendments of 2006
On September 30, 2006, the Congress modified the Insurrection Act as part of the 2007 Defense Authorization Bill. Section 1076 of the new law changes Sec. 333 of the "Insurrection Act," and widens the President's ability to deploy troops within the United States to enforce the laws. Under this act, the President may also deploy troops as a police force during a natural disaster, epidemic, serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or other condition, when the President determines that the authorities of the state are incapable of maintaining public order. The bill also modified Sec. 334 of the Insurrection Act, giving the President authority to order the dispersal of either insurgents or "those obstructing the enforcement of the laws." The new law changed the name of the chapter from "Insurrection" to "Enforcement of the Laws to Restore Public Order."
The 2008 Defense Authorization Bill, H.R. 1585, repeals the changes made in the 2007 bill, [3] but was pocket vetoed by President George W. Bush. [4] A new bill, H.R. 4986, has been passed which also repeals the changes made in the 2007 bill. [5]
The 2007 Defense Authorization Bill, with over $500 billion allocated to the military, and which also contained the changes to the Insurrection Act of 1807, was passed by a bipartisan majority of both houses of Congress: 398-23 in the House and by unanimous consent in the Senate.[1] In order for military forces to be used under the provisions of the revised Insurrection Act, the following conditions must be met:
(1) The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
(i) domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order;
(ii) and such violence results in a condition described in paragraph (2); or
(B) suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such insurrection, violation, combination, or conspiracy results in a condition described in paragraph (2).
(2) A condition described in this paragraph is a condition that--
(A) so hinders the execution of the laws of a State or possession, as applicable, and of the United States within that State or possession, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State or possession are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or...
(B) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act#Repeal_of_amendments
You can also read about the COINTELPRO below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Just A Note: I googled the OP and found the topic in many various blogs as well as Army Reserve sites. It should have also been provided the site were it was copied from to give credit.
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| Sep 30 @ 12:35 AM |
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redhairNfreckles
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For more than 100 years -- since the end of the Civil War -- deployment of the U.S. military inside the U.S. has been prohibited under The Posse Comitatus Act (the only exceptions being that the National Guard and Coast Guard are exempted, and use of the military on an emergency ad hoc basis is permitted, such as what happened after Hurricane Katrina).
Though there have been some erosions of this prohibition over the last several decades (most perniciously to allow the use of the military to work with law enforcement agencies in the "War on Drugs"), the bright line ban on using the U.S. military as a standing law enforcement force inside the U.S. has been more or less honored -- until now. And as the Army Times notes, once this particular brigade completes its one-year assignment, "expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one."
Maybe what has been happening these last few days are only the tip of the iceberg for what is yet to come. I remember getting into a huge, heated discussion with a friend of mine about 5 years ago over how he said there will come a day when our law enforcement and military will join against the average citizen. I believed he thought that way because he was bi-polar who wouldn't ever take his meds. Maybe they weren't ravings afterall.... 
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| Sep 30 @ 12:46 AM |
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Josuha
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My term 'under' Homeland Secuirty was as you pointed out inccorect.
It could be considered more of the 'military arm' of Homeland Security.
"Strengthening the relationship between the DHS and NorthCom intelligence offices will promote more efficient and effective information sharing, Allen said, and the American public benefits because the intelligence community at the federal level is working together in new and different ways. "
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49538
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| Sep 30 @ 12:52 AM |
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Angel54214
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Red...you mean like the historicals such as the Black Panther Party, Republic of New Afrika, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE), the Ku Klux Klan and National States' Rights Party, Students for a Democratic Society, the National Lawyers Guild, the Weathermen and Operation Garden Plot? To name just a few.
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| Sep 30 @ 12:56 AM |
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davelrrp2
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Joshua
It could be considered more of the 'military arm' of Homeland Security.
You may not be informed on the command structure of the military. Northern Command will not, and in fact cannot be subordinate to Homeland Security. No executive order or decree can make it so. They can be ordered to assist but will remain completely independent.
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| Sep 30 @ 12:59 AM |
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nah12
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zooooooooom right over the heads it went ....... 
OK one more time realllllllllll slow ........
what part of national disaster do people not understand ...... remember there was a hurricane in Texas  ......
read Angel's post .... ahhhhhh i'll make it easy here is part of her quote ..... 
(1) [B]The President may employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to--
(A) restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States, the President determines that--
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| Sep 30 @ 1:03 AM |
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Angel54214
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Thanks Nah for your help in my bipartisan post.
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| Sep 30 @ 1:04 AM |
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the "Homeland"?
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lefthandedluckie
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Yes, exactly and when something like Kent State takes place...then what!
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| Sep 30 @ 1:06 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Those were National Guards.
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| Sep 30 @ 1:06 AM |
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Angel54214
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Just another little tidbit from a site...
In June 1968 a "Directorate of Military Support" had been established at the Pentagon under the Department of the Army. According to James Button, author of Black Violence: The Political Impact of the 1960s Riots, the Directorate had 150 officers who monitored domestic civil disturbances around the clock, much as their colleagues at Cheyenne Mountain maintained a constant vigil for Soviet attack. Sophisticated computer systems were installed to store and analyze all public displays of political dissent. Over 20,000 troops were made available for riot control duty. And the Directorate developed policies and advice for handling domestic situations, much as other Army officers at the Pentagon developed plans for repelling a Warsaw Pact attack.
Our Army boys are always ready for recon!
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| Sep 30 @ 1:07 AM |
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Josuha
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You may not be informed on the command structure of the military.
I am very aware of the command structure.
I spent 8 years there. (U.S. Army)
The 'command' of yesterday is not the command and control of today.
Posse Comitatus and other safeguards have been severly diminished even to the point of having 'private security' (for example New Orleans) responding to civilian incidents where the national guard was called.
While on the subject, the 1 BCT is called to the 'homeland'.
Does it strike anyone 'odd' that the same mission could not be performed by the states National Guard who live in the same hometowns and know the citizens?
It was in my service days.
The only incident I can recall where 'regular army' was called was in the D.C area during the 68 riots, and that was only until the local guard could be mobilized.
Do not for an instant believe that the 'military' of yesterday is the same today in regard to policing civilan incidents, all in the name of 'security'.
[Edited on 9/30/2008 1:09 AM]
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| Sep 30 @ 1:08 AM |
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nah12
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you did a great job with it too Angel
but dang sometimes it just zooooms right over some peoples head even then i guess ..
PS love that pic Katt ....
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| Sep 30 @ 1:12 AM |
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Angel54214
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The only incident I can recall where 'regular army' was called was in the D.C area during the 68 roits, and that was only until the local guard could be mobilized.
Josuha...I shined your medals for you in the post above yours
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| Sep 30 @ 1:12 AM |
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davelrrp2
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Yes, exactly and when something like Kent State takes place...then what!
Obviously they will have been stupid..........Didn't learn much from Kent State. Hope you are planning to test the theory, duckie.
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| Sep 30 @ 1:12 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Our Army boys are always ready for recon!
Oh and around me? Camp Pendelton, lots of Navy bases,,,, 
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