| Oct 4 @ 9:43 AM |
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kjac
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Since Ohio could very well decide the outcome of the presidential election, I think it's vital to toss out all the mudslinging garbage and mounds of crap from BOTH sides.
Obviously this forum has people from both sides of the fence, so here goes. Instead of trying unintelligent garbage most people will ignore about someone you obviously don't like, give me the reasons I should support the candidate you are backing. Obviously this is a forum, and not a writer-controlled blog, so anyone is free to post as they wish. But I would like to hear someone with a modicum of intelligence explain their views without the daily tirades of nothingness that plagues this forum. If either side wants my vote, now is their chance to get it.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:25 AM |
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eastham
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I posted a news story on another thread about the key remaining battleground states -- Ohio, Florida, Colorado, Virginia and North Carolina. Should McCain lose even one, he is toast. So, while Ohio is very important, it may not be the pivot it was in 2004.
That said, McCain holds a 1-point lead in Ohio (Rasmussen poll). Unfortunately for McCain, his numbers in Ohio have been trending downward in recent weeks.
In overall fundraising, Obama has raised nearly twice the amount that McCain has raised. McCain closing operations in Michigan is not simply indicative of a former battleground state, which has swung hard toward Obama, but an indicator that McCain can no longer afford to fight a war in 50 states. McCain has raised $230 million and has spent about $200 million. Obama has raised $454 million and has $95 million on hand. As McCain's numbers start to drop, he will have a more difficult time in raising additional dollars.
Will McCain win in Ohio? Who knows, but the odds of him capturing all five remaining battleground states are slim. McCain will lose in 5 weeks -- in both the popular vote and the Electoral College.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:28 AM |
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Gman762
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With ACORN in control and with the voting laws changed by the Democrats in Ohio...it's going to be a slam dunk for O'Bwana (liar in Swazi).
Voter fraud will be rampant in Ohio and when there is voter fraud, the Dems win. 
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| Oct 4 @ 10:32 AM |
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kjac
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Well, I see it didn't take long for the unintelligent garbage to enter the forum. Does anyone have anything to say about their own candidate? Or is the pool of miscreants that shallow that nobody can run on their own merits?
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| Oct 4 @ 10:36 AM |
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KatiefromStafford
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I was going to say good luck on this, kjac. It is mostly not possible to just get people to say why their candidate is the best choice. I am beginning to suspect that no one has anything good to say about 'their own candidate' and can only rag on the competition's candidate.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:38 AM |
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kjac
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It's beginning to look that way Katie. The whole process has me leaning towards not voting at all.
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| Oct 4 @ 10:40 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Sorry, Kjac. I got nothin'. (Because the two candidates "got nothin'.") Neither of them is going to change their tune at this late point in the game, with less than a month to go, and yet neither of them has seriously addressed the issue of over 800,000 jobs lost from this economy this year, and undoubtedly over a million by year's end. One says he'll spend federal dollars on projects to put people to work. One says he'll give business federal dollars so that they can create jobs. Neither has any federal dollars to give away, and this past week's federal bailout means that people are going to be looking at any spending programs askance. Not to mention that nothing that gets passed save an emergency "economic stimulus package" is going to put dollars in the pockets of workers before fiscal 2009 begins NEXT October. Hell, if I was either one of them, looking at the fact that the next budget to get us TO then hasn't been passed yet, and suspecting how crappy the economy is going to be at LEAST until 2010 and that whoever takes the job is going to get blamed for the depression will be here for at least 2009, I'd be telling them "Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want the job."
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| Oct 4 @ 11:16 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Hey kjac - good to see you! 
I can't speak for Ohioans, but for me I see McCain as being tied to the same military mindset we've had in office for the last eight years. War is good, huge military keeps us strong, I see the McCain/Palin team as still leaning to drill baby, drill and fight baby, fight. Obama at least seems to be more thoughtful about issues rather than knee jerk. I don't think either of the slates are up to the task that one of them is going to face in January, but I think there's a possibility that Obama will do something other than follow the status quo; I don't think there's a hope in hell of that happening with McCain.
Besides, I don't ever want to hear the non-word 'nucular' again...8 years of it was enough. Is it some kind of Neocon password or something?
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| Oct 4 @ 11:43 AM |
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KatiefromStafford
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My sentiments exactly, kjac, they are making me nuts with the he said, he said, he said, she said, but I don't want to give my right and duty to vote, so I keep wading through all of this.
Heaven, you have pretty much said exactly what is going through my mind. I have honestly had enough of the past 8 years, adn would welcome someone (anyone) who could bring a fresh voice and attitude to the White House.
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| Oct 4 @ 11:57 AM |
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cre8ive1970
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If you're a socialist, vote for Obama. If you're not a socialist, vote against Obama.
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| Oct 4 @ 12:02 PM |
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kjac
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Thank you cre8 for shining an example of the kind of mind-numbing crap that most people in America are obviously ignoring.
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| Oct 4 @ 12:04 PM |
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cre8ive1970
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ok, I give up. What is it most of America is obviously ignoring?
[Edited on 10/4/2008 12:08 PM]
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| Oct 4 @ 12:08 PM |
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kjac
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The mudslinging. Sorry guys, but here's some useful tidbits none of you will like. Obama's not a terrorist, McCain's not a nazi. Obama isn't Muslim, and McCain doesn't spend his weekends with Hagee. (Lieberman however, does)
If these two were everything the other party tries to make them out to be, Ron Paul would have the lead in the polls, and it would be more than the 8 points Obama has right now.
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| Oct 4 @ 12:18 PM |
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cre8ive1970
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Kjac, Obama is a socialist. All his associates are extreme left wing socialists. His history is one of gravitating towards socialist political causes and community agitation groups. His Pastor for 20years is a socialist. Black Liberation Theology is right out of the Karl Marx playbook. Sol Alinsky's writings are what Obama follows. This is the reality. If you don't want to believe that, that's your choice. I'm not slinging mud, I'm stating fact. look it up for yourself.
As for McCain, you probably won't find a politician more in the center than that guy. Personally, I am not a big fan of the man. I would not vote for him if I had another choice. I would, however, vote against Obama. He is too radical, too naive and too dangerous to be given the keys to the White House. I get this not only from what others say about him but what he says about himself.
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| Oct 4 @ 12:26 PM |
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eastham
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Okay, this is why I think that Ohioans should take a look at Obama/Biden:
1. The Economy: The economy is in a downturn, but several states, Ohio being one of them, will be disproportionately hurt by the recession. Ohio has had a long history as a manufacturing economy and could do so again under the proposals made by Obama/Biden. These include an Advanced Manufacturing Fund, modeled after a program in Michigan and several other states. Innovative proposals will be peer-reviewed and grants made to individuals and companies that will create new products and jobs. The Obama/Biden economic plan proposes funding for job creation in new green initiatives. Right now, the Europeans and the Japanese are reaping the rewards of alternative technologies invented in the US. Obama/Biden's plan also has an investment strategy for rebuilding our infrastructure, which creates jobs immediately. This is a small portion of the economic plan, for the rest CLICK HERE.
2. Health Care: According to a recent article in the Columbus Dispatch, the number of Ohioans without health insurance climbed 15% in the past year. Public clinics in Ohio are being forced to turn away people, because they can't handle the volume and they do not have the expertise to handle the ever-growing number of individuals with serious diseases coming to the clinics. The Obama/Biden health plan contains a variety of strategies to lower the cost of providing health care and increase the tax incentives for small businesses to provide health insurance for their employees. Here's a link to the plan. CLICK HERE.
3. Education: Obama/Biden campaign has announced a series of reforms from nursery school through college, including major reforms to No Child Left Behind as well as simplifying the dizzying application process for college financial aid. Obama has a very interesting set of proposals for pre-K and early education. If you don't have or know little kids, most are now learning math and reading in kindergarten, not first grade. Therefore, it is important that children arrive in kindergarten ready to learn, but some are not. 80% of American children go to some type of pre-K program, but the education standards and curriculum assistance programs are not in place for these programs, and this disparity means that some children may not be ready to learn on their first day of kindergarten. For more info CLICK HERE.
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| Oct 4 @ 1:10 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Just remember one thing, all the job that have left Ohio were not because of the Republicans.
We know more about John McCain than we do Sen Obama. Putting a person in the White House that has only been in Washington for 2 years is a scary thought to me.
One thing that John McCain said that still sticks with me is, the jobs are gone, and they ( the ones that left) are not coming back. It is time to move to different jobs, get more schooling and make more jobs.
You can't do anything about the ones that have left, but you can make more jobs if other business's come in.
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| Oct 4 @ 1:37 PM |
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Gman762
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None of the other issues mean JACK SCHIDT unless the country is safe.
In these very uncertain times, there is only one canditate with the knowledge and the experience to effect that.
BTW...EXACTLY WHAT HAS OBAMA ACCOMPLISHED IN 143 DAYS??
Who here can name just ONE significant piece of legislation that HE HIMSELF authored and followed through to final passage??
The answer is NONE. How is he now qualified to be president in light of this?
Here endith the f-ing lesson...
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| Oct 4 @ 1:40 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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How many pieces of meaningful legislation did John McCain author by himself that went anywhere in the first 143 days of his entry into political office in Washington, D.C.?
edited to add:But that is the problem, Gman, you want to compare McCain's XX years in D.C. to the 143 days Obama has been there.. honestly, how fair is that? How many junior senators are involved in putting forth any major legislation that early in their political career? That is what disturbs me about this arguement you keep using.. 
Oh my gosh, I can not believe I am going to thank Gman for something.. but here goes.. Gman, thank you so much for clarifying for me why I am not willing to vote for McCain!!! I really owe you so much for helping me see it so clearly!  
[Edited on 10/4/2008 1:47 PM]
[Edited on 10/4/2008 1:50 PM]
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| Oct 4 @ 1:43 PM |
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Gman762
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How many pieces of meaningful legislation did John McCain author by himself that went anywhere in the first 143 days of his entry into political office in Washington, D.C.?
That makes no sense (WTF else is new).
I'll compare McCain's TOTAL time in the senate to O'Bwana's ANY day 
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| Oct 4 @ 1:48 PM |
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BandTMom
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McCain was not running for president during his first 143 days in the Senate.
Obummer has used the Senate as a stepping stone and nothing else...thus his votes on being present.
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