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Just a reminder: in 2001, for an article in Chicago Magazine, Barack Obama’s friend William Ayers proudly allowed himself to be photographed stepping on a United States flag.
The article was appropriately titled: No Regrets
No Regrets
Marcia Froelke Coburn
At 55, Bill Ayers, the notorious sixties radical, still carries a whiff of that rock 'n' roll decade: the oversize wire-rim glasses that, in a certain light, reveal themselves as bifocals; a backpack over his shoulder—not some streamlined, chic job, but a funky backpack-of-the-people, complete with a photo button of abolitionist John Brown pinned to one strap.
Yet he is also a man of the moment. For example: There is his cell phone, laid casually on the tabletop of this neighborhood Taylor Street coffee shop, and his passion for double skim lattes. In conversation, he has an immediate, engaging presence; he may not have known you long but, his manner suggests, he's already fascinated. Then there is his quick laugh and his tendency to punctuate his comments by a tap on your arm.
Overall, it is not easy to imagine him as part of the Weatherman, a group that during the late sixties and early seventies openly called for revolution in America, led a violent rampaging protest in Chicago, and took credit for numerous bombings around the United States.
One of the Weatherman leaders was Bernardine Dohrn, a smart, magnetic figure who, in part because of her penchant for miniskirts and knee-high boots, was dubbed "La Pasionaria of the Lunatic Left" by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. After a bomb exploded accidentally and killed three of their colleagues, Ayers and Dohrn "hooked up," in the parlance of the day, and, since 1982, they have been married. This—violence, death, and white-hot rhetoric—is his past and Ayers insists he has no regrets. "I acted appropriately in the context of those times," he says. But it's hard to reconcile this quick-witted man with that revolutionary. Today Bill Ayers seems too happy to have ever been so angry.
In the pantheon of radicals of the sixties and seventies, Ayers's place is unique. "He was not as notorious as Bernardine Dohrn," says Don Rose, a political consultant who has written about those times. "But what made Ayers of particular interest then was that he was the son of a captain of industry. Now he's interesting because, of all the farther-out radicals, he has achieved the most scholarly reputation."
There you have the complexity of Ayers: a man who once tried to overthrow his country's government and now works for a state university; an opponent of the bourgeoisie who has been married for 20 years; a left-wing radical who loves a good cup of imperialist coffee. Maybe he's always known how to choose his battles. Once one of his sons wanted to hear about how Ayers had been a draft card burner. "Tell me again how you burned your credit card, Pop," his son confusedly asked.
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| Oct 7 @ 2:54 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Good thing hes not on the ticket huh? 
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| Oct 7 @ 3:01 AM |
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Burns Good thing hes not on the ticket huh?
So you agree he is scum then?
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| Oct 7 @ 6:05 AM |
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Gman762
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Another one of Obama's close associates. Two turds in a commode it seems.
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| Oct 7 @ 11:58 AM |
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Two turds in a commode it seems.
Welcome back.
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| Oct 7 @ 12:14 PM |
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vinnytmd
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CNN says that Barry is lying about his associations with Ayers -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/
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| Oct 7 @ 12:19 PM |
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Vinny, I have to agree, I have been hearing a lot the last few days that really makes me question the suitability of Obama to lead this country. I wish now that I had given your words more weight when making my arguments for him.. my sincere apologies to you.
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| Oct 7 @ 12:22 PM |
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Course he is. Has been all along and everybody in the left wing is playing along with it or attempting to downplay the severity of his connections.
Here, tell me Vinny, would you have the stomach to go to a known anti USA, flag desecrating former terrorist's home for tea and crumpets? Would you allow him to help you mow your lawn, talk to your wife? Shake hands with the guy?
Would you calmly site down on various committees beside him, near him, discuss matters with him, take his points of view seriously and under consideration? Even collaborate on plans and actions with him?
Or would you simply avoid any possibility of running into a piece of shit like that or even go so far as to punch him in the head for what he tried to do to your country and continues to do to your flag?
It's almost as bad as doing shooters with Osama Bin Laden for crying out loud.
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| Oct 7 @ 12:24 PM |
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Gman762
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CNN says that Barry is lying about his associations with Ayers -
Imagine that, LOL.
I could have told them that months ago. 
Ayers holds a meeting at his house to set Hussein on his path into politcs...and Hussein says he hardly knew the man?? 
I know that every Lib believes it. But, they get fooled easily 
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| Oct 7 @ 12:29 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Here, tell me Vinny, would you have the stomach to go to a known anti USA, flag desecrating former terrorist's home for tea and crumpets? Would you allow him to help you mow your lawn, talk to your wife? Shake hands with the guy?
nova, When I meet people like Ayres I look them in the eye and simply tell them this -
"I have no use for people like you."
Not only did Barry have coffee with the terrorist he has spent years funneling money to Ayres Marxist/Socialist educational causes.
After tonight the media will no longer be able to ignore this issue. Just like the Rev Wright deal they will be forced to do their job.
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| Oct 7 @ 1:05 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Katie, just keep an open mind and listen. The news, all of it, reading and looking into peoples back grounds.
It really scares me to think of Sen Obama being president. Lots of skeletons rattling around in his clostes right now.
I still say the DNC should have put everything behind Sen Hillary Clinton. At least most of her skeletons have been brought out into the light.
Or if Sen Obama had waited till 4-8 years to run.
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| Oct 7 @ 1:43 PM |
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the video is spin...
the weathermen were domestic  terrorists in the Vietnam war era...
William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 26 December 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and former leading 1960s anti-war activist. He is known for the radical nature of his activism in the 1960s and 1970s as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he cofounded the violent radical left organization the Weather Underground which was active during the 1960s and 1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the honor of Distinguished Professor.
...Fugitive Days: A Memoir
In 2001, Ayers published Fugitive Days: A Memoir, which he explained in part as an attempt to answer the questions of Kathy Boudin's son, and his speculation that Diana Oughton died trying to stop the Greenwich Village bomb makers.[15] Some have questioned the truth, accuracy, and tone of the book. Brent Staples wrote for The New York Times Book Review that "Ayers reminds us often that he can't tell everything without endangering people involved in the story.[16] Historian Jesse Lemisch (himself a former member of SDS) contrasted Ayers' recollections with those of other former members of Weatherman and has alleged serious factual errors.[17] Ayers, in the foreword to his book, states that it was written as his personal memories and impressions over time, not a scholarly research project.[14]
Statements made in 2001
Chicago Magazine reported that "just before the September 11th attacks," Richard Elrod, a city lawyer injured in the Weathermen's Chicago "Days of Rage," received an apology from Ayers and Dohrn for their part in the violence. "[T]hey were remorseful," Elrod says. "They said, 'We're sorry that things turned out this way.'"[18] In the months before Ayers' memoir was published on September 10, 2001, the author gave numerous interviews with newspaper and magazine writers in which he defended his overall history of radical words and actions. ....
Much of the controversy about Ayers during the decade since the year 2000 stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of the memoir's publication.[19] The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility."[14] Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."[20]
In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as ". . . inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade."[21] Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.
The interviewer also quoted some of Ayers' own criticism of Weatherman in the foreword to the memoir, whereby Ayers reacts to having watched Emile de Antonio's 1976 documentary film about Weatherman, Underground: "[Ayers] was 'embarrassed by the arrogance, the solipsism, the absolute certainty that we and we alone knew the way. The rigidity and the narcissism.' "[14] "We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."[2]
In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."[23]...
Ayers was asked in a January 2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied:[24] "I've thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it's impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don't think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable." On September 9, 2008, journalist Jake Tapper reported on the comic strip in Bill Ayers's blog explaining the soundbite: "The one thing I don't regret is opposing the war in Vietnam with every ounce of my being.... When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That must mean, "We didn't bomb enough shit."' But that's not the point at all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and ethical statement. In this context, 'we' means 'everyone.'"
Academic career
Ayers is currently a Distinguished Professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, College of Education. His interests include teaching for social justice, urban educational reform, narrative and interpretive research, children in trouble with the law, and related issues.[35]........
[Edited on 10/7/2008
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| Oct 7 @ 1:44 PM |
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He began his career in primary education while an undergraduate, teaching at the Children’s Community School (CCS), a project founded by a group of students and based on the Summerhill method of education. After leaving the underground, he earned an M.Ed from Bank Street College in Early Childhood Education (1984), an M.Ed from Teachers College, Columbia University in Early Childhood Education (1987) and an Ed.D from Teachers College, Columbia University in Curriculum and Instruction (1987).
He has edited and written many books and articles on education theory, policy and practice, and has appeared on many panels and symposia.
Civic and political life
Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program,[36]and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform.[37] Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.[38]According to Ayers, his radical past occasionally affects him, as when, by his account, he was asked not to attend a progressive educators' conference in the fall of 2006 on the basis that the organizers did not want to risk an association with his past.[39]
Connection to Barack Obama
Main article: Obama–Ayers controversy
Bill Ayers and Barack Obama have been linked during their time in the city of Chicago, where they lived three blocks apart and led charges for education reform in the state of Illinois. The two met "at a luncheon meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper."[40] Obama was then named to the Chicago Annenberg Project board to oversee the distribution of grants in Chicago. Later in 1995, Ayers hosted "a coffee" for "Mr. Obama's first run for office."[41] The two served together on a community anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 2000 and 2002, during which time the board met twelve times.[41] Ayers also contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001."[40] Since 2002, there has been little linking Obama and Ayers.[41] Obama says he has not visited Ayers during the presidential campaign. The senator said in September 2008 that he hadn't "seen him in a year-and-a-half."[42]
In February 2008, Obama spokesman Bill Burton released a statement from the senator about the relationship between the two: "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."[40] CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.[43] Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship."[44]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Later_reflections_on_his_past
If you take the vietnam war out of the picture ...what do you have left here?
not saying that ayers was right.. but just think.. If someone tried to take your guns away from you.. would you do it quietly?
bottom line is that it ( his days of " the violent actions of the Weathermen group")
.... was over 30 years ago
how you can dump this group on Obama's door is beyond me... 
and Katie...
Vinny, I have to agree, I have been hearing a lot the last few days that really makes me question the suitability of Obama to lead this country. I wish now that I had given your words more weight when making my arguments for him.. my sincere apologies to you.
care to discuss specifics..???
[Edited on 10/7/2008 1:50 PM]
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| Oct 7 @ 1:48 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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I have no judgement on that dude.
But he isnt nor worse of an evil the McCant Assoc, cough cough KEATON. Or Palins witch hunting church
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| Oct 7 @ 1:50 PM |
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vinnytmd
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care to discuss specifics..???
With who? A stickless hockey player?
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| Oct 7 @ 1:57 PM |
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KatiefromStafford
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Specifically, G-H, Obama continues to deny a connection to Ayers, but more is being uncovered and reported about just how much Ayers has been involved in Obama's political career.
The picture at the top of the thread, from 2001, says a lot about how Ayers feels about America, in the present day, not the Viet Nam era, but now.
The fact that Ayers, by his own admission, continues to oppose what America stands for, and the fact that Obama seemed to want to deny any connection to a man who apparently had a lot to do with his political career.
And the DOW continues to fall, as world markets reflect the economic crisis here in the U.S... too little, too late perhaps? 
NIce, Vinny, even when someone says you might be right, you have to slam them into the ground.. 
[Edited on 10/7/2008 2:16 PM]
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| Oct 7 @ 3:51 PM |
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Angel54214
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The New Spin!
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/10/video_obama_didnt_know_about_a.html
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two points....
In 1995, William Ayers held kind of a get-to-know you event at his place where he was introducing Barack Obama to the political culture there in Chicago when he was running for the State Senate for the first time. David Axelrod said that at that meeting Senator Obama was not aware of Ayers' radical background." -- CNN's John Roberts
nuff said ^^ as Ayres beef was in the past.. ( the vietnam war ended in the 70's...) and was a dead issue....
the republican spin is that every person should hire a private investigator to investigate the host.. before accepting an invitation to a home of ..anyone???
and..Katie.. this is a one world order problem.. as there is no big bank to bail out the "one world bank"
don't for a minute think it has only to do with us subprime notes..
the drivatives market issue is starting to surface again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_(finance)
Derivatives are financial instruments whose values depend on the value of other underlying financial instruments. The main types of derivatives are futures, forwards, options, and swaps.
The main use of derivatives is to reduce risk for one party. The diverse range of potential underlying assets and pay-off alternatives leads to a wide range of derivatives contracts available to be traded in the market. Derivatives can be based on different types of assets such as commodities, equities (stocks), residential mortgages, commercial real estate loans, bonds, interest rates, exchange rates, or indexes (such as a stock market index, consumer price index (CPI) — see inflation derivatives — or even an index of weather conditions, or other derivatives). Their performance can determine both the amount and the timing of the pay-offs. Unregulated Credit derivatives have become an increasingly large part of the derivative market.
yes.. it is making (big) money on a concept and not something that you can touch or feel...... ( something out of nothing....)
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birds or turds of a feather flock together. if a--hole osama obama gets in,i want to see these supporters of his raving about his perfornance in a year.the scum bag and his phont baloney old lady will be driven out of d.c.!!! YES WE CAN!!ha ha!!!!!
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KatiefromStafford
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Amazing that you can hate someone so much.. how sad... 
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