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Silver1961
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Where? I'm not saying you're wrong, but the polls I've seen have between a 7-9 point lead.
Newsweek ~ 11
ABC ~ 10
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| Oct 13 @ 10:31 PM |
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Nightowl001
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NO - how about the one year that the Dems were voted out? Good old vinny. Changing the rules again. "Check the DJIA in the early 90's." Okay, I told you what it was doing in the early 90s. From the time Clinton, and the 103rd Congress, took office until they were voted out, January 29, 1993 (not every day shows on the Google DJIA historical chart I'm using for this, so I just take the closest point it figures from) to November 11, 1994, the Dow rose 16.72%. Wanna argue that was days after the election? How about a week or two before the election... On October 21, 1994 it was 3891, up 19.48%.
Yeah, the dot.com bubble burst. (We'll let it slide that it's not in "the early 90s," and therefore doesn't apply to your ignorant statement.) From July to September, 1998, the Dow went from 9337 down to 7640.. a loss of 16%. Which it recovered by reaching 9333 on November 27th that year. And that compares to this year's 34% loss how? I don't remember Clinton calling together world leaders to buy shares of dot.com companies to save their asses when they failed.
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| Oct 13 @ 10:37 PM |
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vinnytmd
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Of course he didn't bail out the dotcoms. They were a house of cards.
In case you didn't notice the DJIA and NASDAQ were up 11-12% today. Asian markets closed up for Tuesday almost 12%
Your point?
Your slobbering discussion was in response to my statement that many will bail out of US Markets should Barry get elected.
His statement to the plumber is exactly why. Investors are not interested in being on the wrong side of Barry's Marxist Robin Hood game
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| Oct 13 @ 10:52 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Your slobbering discussion was in response to my statement that many will bail out of US Markets should Barry get elected. Yes, and then you stupidly said "Check out the last time we had a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress..." Stop weaseling vin. You've got your head up your rear as usual. You got called on it, and you don't even have a pair (in ANY sense).
I don't know where you cobbled up your C&P about Obama and the plumber, but what plumber makes $250,000 a year?
Anyway, to direct this back to the topic, you're full of crap and will no doubt be one of those wailing and lamenting after Obama is announced. What's really freakin' stupid is you don't even realize that in the long run, it's better for you if he is than if McCain were elected.
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| Oct 13 @ 10:55 PM |
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burnslikethesun
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how will you react November 5th? Most likely celebrating with the other 53% of Americans. 
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| Oct 13 @ 11:51 PM |
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blondhunger
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Yes, all of our money to illegal aliens, doubt I'd be welcome in their country even as a damn tourist ironically enough. Truth is Democrats can't handle the truth. This election is not about the last 8 years it's about Obama the magician and what he does next and how good a pied piper he as as all simpleton mesmerized followers go down the path of a Prozac Nation wishing the world was the way they see it, and thinking that other cultures are going to accept them with open arms. In a perfect world maybe, but it aint.
The media, our free speech media, our unbiased media, our open society pres corps has practically elected Obama the magician all by their lonesome. How nice to know that the fear mongers taint the world for our eyes also choose our president for us. Is there something wrong with this picture? I thought that was our choice to make.
I've been to China ans seen these people waking up from Communism in their less than educated way and I'll say one thing for them. They have little sympathy for slackers as they work their asses off. There is no welfare there. They don't need it. We here in America don't need it either. We need as little government in our daily lives as possible, but Democrats want big government to solve all the ills of society and what does it get us? More taxes and mismanaged funds.
By the way, don't tell me that the Democrats represent the common man and are more in touch. BS. John Edwards was building his fourth house while running with John Kerry while banging his mistress as his wife was dying of cancer. John Kerry is married to the Heinz fortune heiress. Barrack Obama is accepting political campaign money from unidentified sources that his election committee refuses to divulge. He's raised at least half a billion so far. Jeez what that would do help the current crisis. And he gets to keep whatever he doesn't spend. What a deal. Maybe we all should run! So, time to check into the Hotel Reality guys.
I'm actually not Republican, but knowing the Libertarians, Constitutional Party, or Ron Paul don't have a chance of stopping Obama the magician I'll take McCain, who has more balls than all of you. Imagine a 5 year stay at the Hanoi Hilton and ask yourself if you would be in public service after that. Doubt it!
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| Oct 14 @ 12:03 AM |
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Nightowl001
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And he gets to keep whatever he doesn't spend. Actually, the candidates do NOT get to keep whatever they don't spend.
The big rule is: no personal use.
As Bob Biersack from the Federal Election Commission points out, most candidates don’t have much left over to begin with. Campaigning is expensive, and “leftover” money gets used for bills and debts first, including expenses incurred while winding down an abandoned campaign or a lost political office.
Candidates do sometimes end up with surplus funds, though, particularly if they're incumbent members of Congress who decide not to run for another term. State and local governments have their own rules, but those running for federal office -- including presidential candidates -- must abide by strict FEC guidelines when it comes to their extra campaign money. They can donate an unlimited amount to a charity or political party. They can also, within limits, make contributions directly to other candidates. A campaign committee can give up to $2000 per election to each candidate. If the committee is converted into a political action committee, the limit jumps to $5000 – but to be established as a PAC, the committee would have to be in existence for six months, receive contributions from 50 donors, and make contributions to five recipients.
What candidates can’t do with leftover money is use it for personal expenses. Retiring federal lawmakers used to be able to pocket extra cash and use it for cars, vacations, clothes, pet grooming, whatever -- but that changed in 1989 with the passage of the Ethics Reform Act. Code of Federal regulations
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| Oct 14 @ 12:32 AM |
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KatiefromStafford
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NIght, you still haven't realized that trying to point out anything to the Republican crew is hopeless? I did a while ago.  
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| Oct 14 @ 5:27 AM |
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burnslikethesun
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Yes, all of our money to illegal aliens, doubt I'd be welcome in their country even as a damn tourist ironically enough. Truth is Democrats can't handle the truth. This election is not about the last 8 years it's about Obama the magician and what he does next and how good a pied piper he as as all simpleton mesmerized followers go down the path of a Prozac Nation wishing the world was the way they see it, and thinking that other cultures are going to accept them with open arms. In a perfect world maybe, but it aint.
The media, our free speech media, our unbiased media, our open society pres corps has practically elected Obama the magician all by their lonesome. How nice to know that the fear mongers taint the world for our eyes also choose our president for us. Is there something wrong with this picture? I thought that was our choice to make.
I've been to China ans seen these people waking up from Communism in their less than educated way and I'll say one thing for them. They have little sympathy for slackers as they work their asses off. There is no welfare there. They don't need it. We here in America don't need it either. We need as little government in our daily lives as possible, but Democrats want big government to solve all the ills of society and what does it get us? More taxes and mismanaged funds.
By the way, don't tell me that the Democrats represent the common man and are more in touch. BS. John Edwards was building his fourth house while running with John Kerry while banging his mistress as his wife was dying of cancer. John Kerry is married to the Heinz fortune heiress. Barrack Obama is accepting political campaign money from unidentified sources that his election committee refuses to divulge. He's raised at least half a billion so far. Jeez what that would do help the current crisis. And he gets to keep whatever he doesn't spend. What a deal. Maybe we all should run! So, time to check into the Hotel Reality guys.
I'm actually not Republican, but knowing the Libertarians, Constitutional Party, or Ron Paul don't have a chance of stopping Obama the magician I'll take McCain, who has more balls than all of you. Imagine a 5 year stay at the Hanoi Hilton and ask yourself if you would be in public service after that. Doubt it!
See what happens when you drink cheap beer, bought with your girlfriends food stamps, through white hoods? They really should make a public safety announcement.
Wow the republicans make all types huh.
Ahh I got it. Libertarians, that explains it all.
Hows the next Waco ranch coming along?
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| Oct 14 @ 5:37 AM |
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vinnytmd
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What's really freakin' stupid is you don't even realize that in the long run, it's better for you if he is than if McCain were elected
Tell that to the investors as they bail out. NO, do you read anything other than the Daily Koz? Do you read IBD or WSJ? Most are terrified of having idiots like Barry and Pelosi and Rangel and Reid calling to shots on taxes in the USA.
Go slobber elsewhere.
BTW - it is not relevant how much the plumber earns. What IS relevant is what Barry said His Marxist leanings slipped out once again. Enough to run off most capitalist which will ruin his silly Marxist Robin Hood game.
After all you have to rob the rich to prop up the poor. 
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| Oct 14 @ 6:28 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Vinny.. you are babbling here...
you say because of taxes...( capital gains...) you are going to sell your assets and invest them off shore...( automatically triggering the capital gains tax to be assesed..) when you are called on it ..as even then.. as a US citizen..you are still required to pay taxes on your income.. you back pedal and say your intent was not to defraud the IRS..
then you go right back to the tax issue here...
Most are terrified of having idiots like Barry and Pelosi and Rangel and Reid calling to shots on taxes in the USA
do you understand that the only way you are not going to have to pay taxes here is to renounce your citizenship and move out of the country... ???
I for one would  if you did that...as it would show everyone just where your loyalties actually lie....
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| Oct 14 @ 6:32 AM |
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vinnytmd
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GH - let me go slow for you. I can see you are in a stupor this morning.
If I sell BEFORE the Marxists take hold the capital gain taxes will be significantly lower than after Barry begins his Robin Hood game. So therefore I will pay less capital gains.
I did not say I will invest off shore. I said I will put it in banks off shore. Got it?? 
Can you grasp this simple concept?
The Marxists will not be in office very long (Jimmah Carter) and then I will reinvest.
See gh it is a simple function of time. Why can't you think in linear fashion?
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| Oct 14 @ 9:26 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Tell that to the investors as they bail out. NO, do you read anything other than the Daily Koz? Do you read IBD or WSJ? Most are terrified of having idiots like Barry and Pelosi and Rangel and Reid calling to shots on taxes in the USA.
Hey, vin. I don't read the Daily Koz or the WSJ. And you're still making the asinine argument that I should somehow be worried that those people who feel like $2 million after taxes currently are going to be crying and scared because they'll "only" be left with $1.85 million under Obama? And like you, because they can't get "enough" by investing here, by showing any American loyalty, they'll invest off-shore to enrich themselves and the hell with their country? And you want me to have SYMPATHY for these greedy, self-centered, narcissists? Meanwhile, you ignore the fact that that $.15 mill would have wound up in the hands of people who will spend it buying products. And if... IF... the greedy bastards had bothered leaving any production here in the United States instead of grasping at quarterly profits, those dollars would be going to buy THEIR products and make THEM profit, instead of going to the Chines and the Malaysians and the Japanese. Yep, the "non-investors" will spend their $15 a week eating out once more at McDonalds, and McDonald's will have to hire more staff and buy more beef and french fries and malt cups and apples for apple pies, the plant that makes their sandwich wraps will have to hire people to staff another print line, the pulp company that make their paper will need six more people to man another line to turn out enough sandwich wraps to meet the new damand.. and ALL those people will be contributing to the tax base... and to the PROFIT of those companies. But the people who HAVE $.15 million to let go of for awhile, to wait for it to come back to them, would rather have it NOW, and the hell with those people who don't have $10 to last until next week.
Hey, vin... F*ck your "investors."
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| Oct 14 @ 9:33 AM |
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Silver1961
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Democrats or Republicans? Just the facts
Q: Has the stock market been better, on average, when a Republican or Democrat has been in office? Do you have a chart that shows this?
A: Many investors assume that Republican presidents are better for the stock market. That's not true.
But before I get to the particulars, a disclaimer: This answer is not a political statement. By answering this question, I am merely conveying the cold, hard facts regarding stock price performance under both Republicans and Democrats. I endorse no political party and have no vested interest in the results.
To get the answer to your question, I turned to the respected Stock Trader's Almanac by Yale and Jeffrey Hirsch. This book tracks and organizes historical facts about the stock market, and the 2005 edition addresses your question on page 42.
Using the Dow Jones industrial average as the benchmark, Stock Trader's Almanac shows a $10,000 investment compounded during Democratic presidencies since 1901 would be worth $279,705 after 48 years. The same $10,000 investment during 56 Republican years would have been worth just $78,699. If you adjust for inflation, the value of a $10,000 investment under Democratic presidents is $33,426.The inflation-adjusted value under Republican presidents is $26,145.
Many factors affect these results besides the president's party. The Republicans got a big lift during the Eisenhower and Reagan years. Democrats Roosevelt and Truman benefited from the recovery that followed the 89% fall in the Dow during the Depression. The Democratic lead was solidified by the tremendous run-up in stocks during the Clinton administration.
If these types of statistics interest you, I really suggest you pick up a copy of Stock Trader's Almanac. The book contains hundreds of fascinating historical records spotting trends and patterns in the stock market.
Here are the stats from the book:
DOW SINCE 1901
Republican years No. of years Change
1901-1912 12 48.3%
1921-1932 12 -24.5%
1953-1960 8 121.2%
1969-1976 8 2.1%
1981-1992 12 247.0%
2001-2004 4 -10.4%
Total 56 years 383.7%
Avg. annual change 6.9%
Democratic years No. of years Change
1913-1920 8 29.2%
1933-1952 20 318.4%
1961-1968 8 58.0%
1977-1980 4 -3.0%
1993-2000 8 236.7%
Total 48 years 639.6%
Avg. annual change 13.3%
Source: Stock Trader’s Almanac 2005
I'll bet on the Dems 
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| Oct 14 @ 9:44 AM |
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vinnytmd
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NO - slobbering so early in the AM?
Poor guy. Your Marxist hatred for those with money is symptomatic of your under achievements in life. Keep slobbering.
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| Oct 14 @ 9:46 AM |
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eastham
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Quinnipiac is showing Obama with double-digit leads in many of the key battleground states. He has a 9-point lead in Colorado.
As to the Bradley effect...Given that Obama won so many votes in the primary season, I don't think that his campaign should worry too much on that score. Also, if you look closely at Obama's poll numbers, Obama supporters are really enamored of their candidate. This is an indicator that people will turn out and vote. McCain does not enjoy that level of enthusiasm from his own supporters, which probably is a worrying factor for his campaign staff.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:04 AM |
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Bj864
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If McCain wins, I am going to delete every political site from my computor. I am going to stop watching anything to do with politics and I am going to stop talking on the political forum. If the American people vote to keep the kind of leadership we have had for 8 years, I will give up. Our country is in ruin from wars and extreme welfare to the rich.
keep your self here, send your money overseas
So you are going to do the same thing that millions of Mexicans do? Send your money to another country?
Make your money here and then let another country get the benefits from it? If you don't care for your country any more than that, I am surprised you stay here.
Our economy has suffered greatly from money going out out out.
Is this patriotism? 
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| Oct 14 @ 10:16 AM |
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vinnytmd
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BJ, Marxist ideals are not Patriotic in the USA. Maybe in Cuba.
When Barry tells a plumber that he wants to spread his wealth to others that are below him - and he wants to raise capital gains taxes to spread the wealth - Something is wrong in America. This is not the America that our founding Fathers created.
You go play Robin Hood - not me.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:24 AM |
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blondhunger
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Don't pay any attention to Legacy1 he knows not what he does nor what he's talking about. By the way it is perfectly legal to set up overseas accounts as long as you are structured the right way like through a life insurance investment vehicle consult you CPA. If Obama gets elected though it will get even harder to look for alternative markets and you'll be taxed increasingly for dividends and income.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:29 AM |
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Nightowl001
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When Barry tells a plumber that he wants to spread his wealth to others that are below him - and he wants to raise capital gains taxes to spread the wealth - Something is wrong in America. This is not the America that our founding Fathers created.
That's funny, Vin. Apparently you didn't read the Preamble or Section 8 of the US Constitution. You know, where it says: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Sounds to me like the founding Fathers intended for the government to have a role in seeing to it that this did NOT become the plutocracy you and your ilk are so anxious to implement (to your own detriment).
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