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Gallows_Humor
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These were not turf wars. What turf did the White Supremacists defend?
Vinny....you are out of touch with reality...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_gangsAryan Brotherhood - A white prison gang that originated in California's San Quentin prison in 1964. Perhaps out of their ideology, and the necessity of establishing a presence among the more numerous Black and Hispanic gang members, the AB has a particular reputation for ruthlessness and violence. Since the 1990s, in part because of this reputation, the AB has been targeted heavily by state and federal authorities. Many key AB members have been moved to "supermax" control-unit prisons at both the federal and state level or are under federal indictment. Nazi Lowriders - A newer white prison gang that emerged in California after many Aryan Brotherhood members in that state were sent to the Security Housing Unit at Pelican Bay or transferred to federal prisons. NLR is associated with members originally from the Antelope Valley of Southern California, and is known to accept some light-skinned or Caucasian identified Hispanic members. La Eme - The Mexican Mafia. "Eme" is the letter "M" in Spanish, it's also the 13th letter in the alphabet. The Mexican mafia are composed mostly of Hispanics, although some caucasian members exist. The Mexican Mafia and the Aryan Brotherhood are allies and work together to control prostitution, drug running, weapons, and "hits" or murders. Originally formed in the 1950s in California prisons by Hispanic prisoners from the southern part of that state, Eme has traditionally been composed of US-born or raised Hispanics and has retained ties to the Southern California-based "Sureños". During the 1970s and 80s, Eme in California established the model of leveraging their power in prison to control and profit from criminal activity on the street. Nuestra Familia - "Our Family," The "N" is the 14th letter in the alphabet which is used as their symbol along with the Roman numeral "XIV" to represent their gang, another mostly Hispanic prison gang that is constantly at war with La Eme, and was originally formed from Northern-California or rural-based Hispanic prisoners opposed to domination by La Eme, which was started by and associated with Los Angeles gang members. The Texas Syndicate - A mostly Texas-based prison gang that includes mostly Hispanic members, and does not allow Caucasian members. The Texas Syndicate, more than La Eme or Nuestra Familia, has been more associated or allied with Mexican immigrant prisoners, such as the "Border Brothers", while Eme and Familia tend to be composed of and associate with US-born or raised Hispanics. Most African-American prison gangs retain their street gang names and associations. These commonly include Rollin' sets (named after streets, i.e. Rollin' 30's, Rollin' 40's, etc.) that can identify with either Blood or Crip affiliations. The Black Guerilla Family represents an exception, as an originally politically-based group that has a significant presence in prisons and prison politics.
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| Oct 14 @ 6:02 AM |
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vinnytmd
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gh - did they move San Quentin to Toledo?
Here is a geography lesson -
Toledo = OHIO
San Quentin = Cali
Texas = Texas
WTF is that wiki non sense trying to prove?
Pitiful gh.
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| Oct 14 @ 6:19 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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^^ exactly why I said you are out of touch with reality...
....again...
Mr. Ford said those protesting were mainly male gang members in their 20s. He said the protests were not triggered by race relations but by gang members with grievances.
what part of this do you not understand...??
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| Oct 14 @ 6:24 AM |
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vinnytmd
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look at the pictures gh.
Get real
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| Oct 14 @ 6:46 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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vinny..you are grasping at straws.... do you really think the crips and bloods are going to hold up signs saying...
"Keep the nazi lowriders out of our town"..??
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| Oct 14 @ 6:59 AM |
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vinnytmd
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GH - this was Toledo Ohio.
Remember?
Not Los Angeles.
Look at the photos. Do you see any whites rioting?
BYE BYE.
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| Oct 14 @ 7:54 AM |
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CPUfan
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In France, extreme nationalist National Front policemen dressed in unmarked riot gear deliberately beat immigrant teenagers into casualty for a specific political purpose.
The beatings took place in the first days of three weeks of rioting by immigrants in the suburbs of Paris, which subsequently went almost nationwide to Marseilles, Toulon etc. White (French) businesses, cars (9,000), homes and other properties were destroyed and the police were only able restore order after the mediation of immigrant leaders. That is a tremendous pity for the beaten teenagers and the owners of the property, none of which had any conscious part in the scheme.
The provocation exceeded the wildest dreams of the National Front, they only had to perform their favourite activity on one occasion to help to achieve this result.
I believe this is known as "baiting?" Watch out for the agents provocateurs looking to cause "race riots." Unfortunately they occasionally succeed. 
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| Oct 14 @ 8:17 AM |
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eastham
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Thanks for the very interesting post, CPU.
If the premise of this thread were to be true, wouldn't there have been civil unrest when Obama secured the nomination? Yet, there was not. Certainly, the Secret Service will have its hands full to ensure the safety of Senator Obama from white supremacists who would assassinate him and I'm sure that they are alarmed at the very vocal individuals at several of the McCain/Palin rallies. Whether these individuals represent a real threat or not, I'm sure that the security around Senator Obama is very tight.
Frankly, I think that the election of Senator Obama will have a profound impact on the way we discuss and think about race in this country. It already has. Can you imagine fifty years ago, people "arguing" that someone is "half white", as in don't forget he's half white. Wouldn't have happened. Remember that when Obama was born in Hawaii, there were many states where interracial marriage was forbidden by law.
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| Oct 14 @ 9:05 AM |
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Nightowl001
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The problem here, CPU, is the people who see a black person in a "riot," and claims because of that it's a race riot, while ignoring the fact that it is an socioeconomic class that is rioting, not a race. The fact that it happens in an neighborhood with a largely minority population is actually immaterial to the issues about which the rioting occurs.
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| Oct 14 @ 9:56 AM |
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cre8ive1970
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the need to stand up against a perceived injustice
"Percieved" being the operative word, here. And how does that perception arise? People like Al Sharpton, Jeremiah Wright and the whole Democratic Party stoking the flames.
I think there will be riots if the Chosen One wins, loses or is killed.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:06 AM |
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Angel54214
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Especially like "The New Black Panther Party", which they are under a lawsuit for stealing the origins of the original Black Panther Party.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:08 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I think there will be riots if the Chosen One wins, loses or is killed.
So we're gonna have race riots no matter what happns? Interesting. 
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| Oct 14 @ 10:14 AM |
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cre8ive1970
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So we're gonna have race riots no matter what happns?
I said nothing about race.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:24 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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OK, so we're gonna have riots no matter what happens?
Still interesting, although I don't see the reasoning.
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| Oct 14 @ 10:25 AM |
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CPUfan
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East, when I think of race I also think of Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice. Morgan Freeman is one of my favourite actors. He just wants to be seen as American. There must be endless other examples of integration at high levels that I don't know of. Now I understand that both Powell and Rice are/were part of a Republican administration, but that Powell might have become a Democrat at one point? His illustrious military career made him an assett that neither side could afford to ignore.
Now Rice is often regarded in Europe as a close follower of Bush line in foreign policy, but she is nowhere regarded as a "token." She has done her job to the full extent expected by the administration.
Night, the French National Front has very definitely targetted the second/third generation of immigrants to France for this reason. They are positioned between an older culture and a new. Not all are Muslims, many are from French-speaking "Christian" Africa. These are the guys who win the World and European Cup for France in soccer. But the population is full of frustrations and hardships. These can easily spill over into violent, semi-political action. Even without provocation.
Having said that, we had Pakistani rioting in Britain too in 2001, before 911. In my area, in the North. The kids left school with no qualifications and weak skill levels in English. They could not all find work, not even menial work. Now that kind of employment may be more easily obtained in the States, I don't know. But even low-paid work tended to keep them out of trouble, gave them a sense of worth. The rioters were typically unemployed with little to do. When the riots flared up in several Northern cities, the police were completely taken by surprise. They lasted a week or so with burning cars and pubs but were resolved peacefully. Since then there have been special efforts to integrate youth into the community through work, with assisted work projects etc. There have been no riots since. We do have a terrorist problem, but the transport bomber from local Leeds was a schoolteacher in a white school... that one really came from behind.
Of course with the vast population of the US it's difficult to say that people could be integrated through work projects. The scale would have to be completely different.
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| Oct 14 @ 1:03 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Of course they were race riots in Toledo. A Nazi group comes to town and wants to do their thing ( it is their right) and the blacks in town started marching too. Then all it took was one brick thrown.
Sunday, October 16, 2005
Calm has been restored after a Saturday rally held by members of the National Socialist Movement (NSM) in Toledo, Ohio. led to a state of emergency being declared when riots ensued. Fifty highway patrol officers were called in to support city police and to help control the crowd. The unrest prompted the implementation of a city-wide 8 P.M. curfew.
The police force, which gave permission and protection to the neo-nazi group to hold the planned rally, claimed they were caught by surprise in the counter-protest that ensued. Police resorted to tear gas to disperse the crowd of nearly 500. Over 60 demonstrators were arrested.
Opposition to the rally was mounted by concerned citizens and a coalition of political groups organized as an Anti-Racist Action group. The actions of the counter-demontrators effectively ended the march just as it was getting started. During the riot, several vehicles had their windows broken and one was set on fire at a gas station; a local pub was looted and burned.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Riots_break_out_at_Neo-Nazi_rally_in_Toledo,_Ohio
I remember reading a story about the bar owner that had his place looted and sacked by the young blacks. His business had been in the area for over 40 years.
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| Oct 14 @ 1:39 PM |
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CPUfan
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I know how I'd feel if that were my place or even my local pub, Katts. That kind of activity does nothing to gain sympathy, does it? I don't doubt the owner was victimised for being white....
Here we also have "anti-globalisation" riots with autonomous "anarchist" groups as instigators. They also go and raid shops, smash McDonalds' and bank windows. That too is completely deliberate.
WP marches aim at producing the kind of response you describe, as a way of getting attention. It's truly tragic for local owners of cars and property when an opposing group gets out of control like that. It plays right into their hands. That's not only dumb it's also criminal.
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| Oct 14 @ 1:45 PM |
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ISSUESWOPTIONS
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I take it that the word riot is the only thing you actually associate with black?
Stupid white America, always looking from an overachievers view. Why has the NRA been stocking up and more and more "people" been training out west in the hill country and such? Why has metro law enforcement been trying to crack down on more and more gang bangers nationwide? Easy.
You are not going to have a riot, you are going to have open warfare. The prisons WON'T hold!!! In a country with serious issues that not even their current president cares about you are about to witness open warfare worst than the civil war. I know, the US shows mostly white boys being special forces. Guess what?
Lets go further... Who can emerge as a leader? It won't be Sharpton, Jackson, or Farrakan. They are all puppets that will be killed. Think for a minute.... What happens when the bloods and crips mobolize? The JDL has been on high activity alert since 2006. What the hell have you farts at home eating bon bons and getting fat been doing?
To touch Obama is National suicide, and this is a nation of uneducated fools. 
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| Oct 14 @ 1:46 PM |
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vinnytmd
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The problem here, CPU, is the people who see a black person in a "riot," and claims because of that it's a race riot, while ignoring the fact that it is an socioeconomic class that is rioting, not a race. The fact that it happens in an neighborhood with a largely minority population is actually immaterial to the issues about which the rioting occurs.
Rodney King riots were not RACIAL?
When there is a blizzard and the riots are in Black areas that is not racial? Why didn't the poor whites go looting?
The riots after Dr King and Bobby Kennedy were killed were not racial?
Kidding me NO? What non sense.
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| Oct 14 @ 1:48 PM |
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kattsmeow
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I don't doubt the owner was victimised for being white....
Wrong he was black and most or the rioting happened in a mostly black neighborhood. Blacks attacking and looting their own.
See, all it took was around 12-20 nazi's deciding to have a speech on the steps of the court house, and the blacks started marching too. Now, I can see why they would march, the thing is, one or two people in that black group decided to loot and throw bricks. It didn't take much.
I do know my son called me to tell me him and my grandson were locked in their apartment until the next day!!!! He wouldn't go out.
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