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Gallows_Humor
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j3kNPOn62KBcB4-4G9VnNlTG2KgwD94C8GDO0MOSCOW (AP) — A manufacturing flaw, a misplaced cable, even a cigarette. Those are some of the scenarios put forward by navy veterans and experts as investigators try to determine what activated a firefighting system aboard a new Russian nuclear submarine beneath the Sea of Japan, and why 20 people were killed. The Akula-class submarine was undergoing sea trials Saturday with 208 people aboard when its fire-extinguishing system activated in error, spewing Freon gas that suffocated the victims and injured 21 others, Russian officials said. ......Meanwhile, Kommersant and another leading business daily, Vedomosti, reported Monday that the submarine was to be handed over to India's navy next year under a 10-year, $650-million lease. India's navy chief, Adm. Sureesh Mehta, was quoted as saying India was negotiating the lease of two Russian nuclear submarines, the first of which could arrive next year. Armed with cruise missiles capable of hitting targets 3,000 kilometers (1,860 miles) away, an Akula-class submarine would dramatically bolster India's navy capability amid a growing rivalry with China for dominance over Indian Ocean shipping lanes. A nuclear sub would also heighten India's tensions with archrival Pakistan. Indian news reports said Monday the submarine was to join the country's navy in August. Indian naval spokesman Cmdr. Nirad Sinha would not say whether the Nerpa was to be leased. The accident could also undermine Moscow's efforts to boost arms sales.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 1:18 AM |
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Angel54214
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I'd say the sub was over populated; Akula class subs are equipped to carry a crew of 73, not 208 as it was carrying.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 1:38 AM |
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Nightowl001
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During sea trials a great many vessels have more than the normal crew complement. They have people on board who are still actually working from the shipbuilding crew, as well as contractors to fix anything discovered to be wrong during those sea trials. Most of those killed were civilian contractors.
Nuclear Submarine Accident Kills 20
10 November 2008
An accident with a fire-extinguishing system on a Russian Navy nuclear submarine killed 20 people during tests at sea in the Pacific late Saturday night, Navy officials said.
The news came amid reports in the Indian media that the vessel in question had been undergoing tests prior to being leased to the Indian navy.
Three naval personnel and 17 civilian specialists died after inhaling chemical gases released when the firefighting system was erroneously activated as the submarine sailed through the Sea of Japan, off Russia's east coast, Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said Sunday. http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1010/42/372216.htm
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 2:14 AM |
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CPUfan
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What genius put in a freon-type gas extinguishing system in an underwater tank 
Gee it sure is hard to breathe down here... someone open a window... 
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 2:20 AM |
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Novalite
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NO During sea trials a great many vessels have more than the normal crew complement.
HMS/M Thetis
She was the pride of the navy, of the men who built her and the men who sailed in her. To very many, ninety nine of them, she was soon to become their tomb.
A series of bad luck and mishaps which on their own would not have been fatal, came together to make a lethal combination for all involved. On board were many civilians, technical and industrial workers from the builders yard, officers and ratings, not just from Thetis but from other ships, even catering staff: there was to be a grand buffet on board as this was to be a grand event. Thetis had almost double the number of personnel on board that she would usually have. These visitors came to Thetis to see, learn, watch, observe, test, adjust and to enjoy a new build submarine...for Thetis was on trials and on her way to her maiden dive at sea.
A speck of paint, or enamel, had blocked the test drain pipe tap on the tube. This was a test to see if the tube was full or empty of water. If the tube is dry, no water will run out of this pipe, if however the tube is full of water, then water will run out. But the drain was blocked so, even though the tube was full of water, none came out.
The internal rear door of No. 5 tube had been opened at the same time as the external bow cap of the same tube was also opened. Water flooded in in a torrent overpowering all and making the closing of the hatch impossible. The impossible had happened. Both doors open on a torpedo tube while at sea.
She went down and stayed down. So Thetis was stuck in Liverpool Bay, with her stern out of the water. With 99 people onboard. The crew succeeded in raising the stern of the submarine throughout the night of 1/2 June, so that when she was found at dawn on 2 June by the destroyer Brazen, some 18 feet of her stern were above the water. Four escaped, ninety nine did not. The added people on board accelerated the oxygen use.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 9:41 AM |
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vinnytmd
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I read that the civilians were many of the design engineers that were on board for observation. They were not trained in emergency procedures.
Poetic justice.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 9:52 AM |
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ISSUESWOPTIONS
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I don't think it is so much the fact that an accident happened the OP is trying to point out. What I think the OP is trying to bring to your attention is that India is beefing up its naval security measures which now includes long range cruise missiles.
What does THAT spell knowing that there is also tension between India and China, India and Pakistan.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 10:09 AM |
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eastham
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And another worrisome statistic, sociologists have been writing for years about the increase in crime and war when countries get out of synch demographically between men and women.
In both China and India, you have had systematic infanticide of baby girls and abortion used as a form of gender selection. In China, young men with little prospect of gaining a wife and children are called "bare branches". They, like their Indian counterparts, are less likely to remain in their native villages, but migrate to bigger cities, where they find their prospects equally as bleak. These young men are linked to a higher incidence of crime and violence as well as political extremism.
Furturemore, both China and India have become huge competitors for our globes dwindling oil resources. Both understand fully that they need oil to continue to move their booming economies forward.
This is very disturbing news.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 10:26 AM |
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vinnytmd
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India has Nukes - Why wouldn't they get a modern day sub?
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 10:53 AM |
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Gallows_Humor
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to deliver the nukes they have.... 
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 11:01 AM |
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eastham
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India has Nukes - Why wouldn't they get a modern day sub?
Oh, let's just shrug our shoulders about India getting a sub. India is a longtime ally of Russia's and now Putin (through his Charlie McCarthy Medvedev) is flexing Russia's muscles. This is not a good thing.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 11:36 AM |
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lj450
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This, coming from the same MD whiners who have complained about the US being the "world police" under the Bush administration.
How hypocritically amusing. 
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 11:43 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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It is just a matter of time and the catalyst that will set the whole mess off!
Wars and rumors of wars!
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 11:46 AM |
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lj450
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Especially since you turds elected the anti-christ for our president.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 11:59 AM |
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RareQuestor
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India already has a submarine fleet and has been expanding it for ten years.
http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/india/index.html
What exactly can we do about it in any case? We do not have much influence with India and India has its own strategic issues to consider including proximity to two regional powers--Russia and China--who have demonstrated very clearly that they are willing to use force to obtain what they want. We can and certainly should improve our relationship with India as well as our ability to gather intelligence in that nation, but I cannot think of any other feasible options.
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 12:07 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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great link Rare... 
India's ambitions for a sea-based nuclear deterrent were acknowledged in 1998. After executing a number of nuclear tests, the government declared that its future minimum nuclear deterrent (MND) would be based on a triad: a combination of airborne, naval, and land-based platforms.
The recently released maritime doctrine clarifies this still further, calling specifically for the establishment of a submarine-based MND.[5,6] The triad could be completed with the successful conclusion of India's ATV program, with a lease of nuclear submarines, or perhaps, to a lesser extent, with the acquisition of air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines.[8]
India has had experience leasing a nuclear-powered submarine: from 1988 to 1991 it leased a Project 670 Skat (NATO name Charlie I) class nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine from the Soviet Union, the K-43 (renamed Chakra while in Indian service). The reactors were operated by a Soviet crew and the vessel was returned to the Soviet Union.[15] [For more information on the possible lease of a Russian nuclear submarine, please see the Russia: Export Behavior page.]
I did not know this.....
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 12:13 PM |
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vinnytmd
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lj - I agree. Here we see the liberals whining about India having a navy. Should Barry attack them? Should he blockade them? Should he go to the UN?
Doesn't India know that WE ARE THE USA - with a fookin Messiah coming as our President?? 
Praise the freakin LORD!
LJ - do you think that India has sociological issues?
God - I love the smell of hypocrisy early in the morning!
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 12:23 PM |
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 12:24 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Actually China and Pakistan are the opposition to India in that region. China and India fought over a region in 1962. There have been several clashes since then. So they are not friends.
Pakistan and India have fought over the Kashmir region many times and it is a flash point right now!
We helped the Pakistanis. I am not sure of the full details about our break with India. When we did the Indians went to the Soviet Union for help! That is why the Russians still work with them today! My opinion of course!
Most of India's military equipment is Russian...tanks, planes...etc.!
Indo-China War of 1962
India-Pakistan Kashmir Conflict
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| Nov 11, 2008 @ 12:27 PM |
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Haban3ro
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So why aren't WE selling more weapons to all comers?
They're about the only thing we still build in the US, right? And we can guarantee that they work.
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